HelenaHandBasket
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Well, no FBS backup in the portal would be considered elite at the FCS level when you go after him. Crap shoot just like Fife.
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QB who?
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I'm probably wasting my breath asking you to follow a thought, but here goes:
With Fife in, the Griz move the ball better and score at a significantly higher rate than with Ah Yat. Montana also has the 6th best offense left in the playoff field, when corrected for strength of schedule.
The board at large has been asking for weeks why Ah Yat sees any playing time at all.
billingsgriz
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If Fife isn't injured, we should go with him. He moves the offense well and had back-to-back 300 yard games against EWU and Weber. He does need to hang onto the damn football, and I don't blame Coach Hauck for benching him--one fumble is forgivable: two are not !!!
HelenaHandBasket
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My gut tells me there are going to be many unhappy fans when the starting Griz offense runs out.
There seem to be many unhappy fans when the sun rises each morning.
billingsgriz
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I don't think there will be a lot of disappointed GRIZ fans when Logan again starts--it was pretty obvious when we put Ah Yat in the game yesterday, Coaches Hauck and Pease would not let him throw the ball because they don't have confidence in his passing-- It was hand-off, hand-off, handoff other than one short, high- probability shovel pass.
HelenaHandBasket
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Herein lies the rub
sdk.catfish
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I feel kind of sorry for the MT qb's, who have dreamed for years of playing qb for the Griz and sign on only to ride the pine. Huot has not seen action and never will untess he moves on. Same thing for Sliter and now the kid from Capitol - going to suffer the same fate as Huot as long as Hauck sticks around. Nobody really knows if Fife is leaving but there probably is a good chance. If Huot leaves (Carroll?) that leaves KAY and Hauck goes out and recruits a transfer so we can have a replay of dualing qb's next year (which KAY can't really like so maybe he does leaves as well if anybody would want him). Maybe HS coaches should point this out to players, maybe parents as well, but ultimatly its the kids responsibility to figure the qb situation under Hauck and many of them it appears don't want to face reality.
HelenaHandBasket
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The kid from Capital was never recruited to play QB. As for the rest of this post, if the Montana kid won the job, they would be playing.
I’ve written and decided not to submit at least 15 posts about this. I agree with you.
Yeah like if Tommy Mellot would have came to the griz do you think he'd be playing QB? There isn't a snowballs chance in hell. Hauck isn't smart enough.
billingsgriz
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This is no longer the world of Grady Bennett, Dave Dickensen, Brian Ah Yat and John Edwards. Even back then we had 1A/FBS transfers like Drew Miller and Justin Roper. Unlike back in the 80's, 90's, and early-mid 2000's, we now have the transfer portal, and as a result, most head coaches, excluding Aaron Best of EWU, need to win now. And even when a team has a QB they like, he could decide to transfer and leave us, aka Clif McDowell and Daniel Britt, high and dry if we had relied on him sticking around !!!
So any kid recruited to play QB for us now is aware that FBS and/or FCS transfers will be brought in to compete for the starting job or they are willfully ignorant.
I think like history is divided between BC and AD, college football can now be divided into BP and AP, Before Portal and After Portal !!!
So any kid recruited to play QB for us now is aware that FBS and/or FCS transfers will be brought in to compete for the starting job or they are willfully ignorant.
I think like history is divided between BC and AD, college football can now be divided into BP and AP, Before Portal and After Portal !!!
mthoopsfan
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Only 1 qb plays at a time. Aren’t the rest often disappointed? Most recruited QB’s don’t become the starter.
Copper Griz
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I don’t take it as a dig. Fair question. He looked good in the spring game. He was exceptional in HS. Is that against top caliber talent? Nope. Is it any different than the current two we have on the roster? Yes, they had real game time against quality opponents. Fife also had a resume from FS. Neither has impressed this year. I don’t understand why Huot hasn’t been given a chance. I have multiple friends in Missoula who have watched him at practice. He is keeping up with the other two and seems to know the playbook. He is also a lot taller and probably wouldn’t have thrown it right into the defensive line’s hands on screen passes. (One of our two active QB’s had a problem with this). His throwing motion is solid. He probably isn’t as mobile as the other two, but have they really used their legs this year like Cliff did last year? The running back corp shouldn’t require an overly mobile QB. Anyhow, I am perplexed by the lack of QB development at U of M. Would Huot do worse than the other two? Who knows. Is he extremely talented? Maybe an overstatement, but I would gladly eat crow if he was an epic disaster on the field.
I think people keep forgetting that Huot diced up the #3 defense and walkons playing with the 1's in the spring game. He may be "keeping up" with Fife and Ah Yat as a passer in practice, but if he's not clearly better than them as a passer, he's not going to get a shot, and I'll explain by way of Tommy Mellot.
A bunch of people want us to just put a guy out like the cats did and see what he can do, but people seemingly blank out that until this season, Tommy was just flat out bad as a passer. It took him 4 seasons of reps and game experience to become a proficient passing QB, and he still benefits greatly from the run scheme opening up the pass for him. He was able to make it work because he's a generational talent running the football. He didn't need to be Dave Dickenson, his legs could carry the offense (and they did).
Huot is not that. At the moment, he's at best the 3rd best rushing QB in the offense, and probably the 3rd best passing QB, as well (maybe it's close, but I don't think it is). So we'd roll out a guy who's not any better of a passer, but who's a statue that can't move like the other 2 behind an OL that has proven it can't effectively pass block. I think that's the reason we aren't going to and haven't yet seen him in a meaningful game time situation this season.
Tommy's also a lesson on Ah Yat. Keali'i is a much better passer right now than Tommy was to start his career, but clearly needs a long way to go. He might need a ton of game experience like Tommy did to really break out, and if it were up to me, I would start #8 this weekend and run an offense centered on his running ability. What do we have to lose? I do not think any QB on our team can beat SDSU passing the ball.
Dont Kick 2 Bergen
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No we dont
billingsgriz
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Don't agree with some-some-of what you said, Copper. Fife was impressive against EWU or he wouldn't have won Big Sky POW and FCS National POW, and he also threw for over 300 yards against Weber and led us to victory over NAU and PSU. Logan's throwing the ball into the back of GRIZ during The Brawl probably was part Logan's fault and also partly due to our O line losing the line of scrimmage and getting involuntarily pushed back into Logan's face. And Logan @6-0 or 5-11 is about the same size as Dave Dickensen @ 5-10--Dave seemed to do more than okay for us and in pro ball.--and today's Pittsburgh Steeler QB and former.Seahawk Russell Wilson is also 5-10, 5-11 not to mention now retired Saints QB and future NFL Hall of Famer Drew Brees, supposedly 6-0.
And Uof mmann, we can't be one dimensional on Saturday in Brookings or we have no chance. If we put Keali'i in the game and he did what he did on Saturday, the Jack Rabbits will just load the box and what happens when Keali'i gets knocked out of the game ?
Both Logan and Keali'i stand about 6 feet tall and like Dave, Russell and Drew, they will have passes blocked or deflected. But I also think like Dave, Russell, and Drew, our two can win a lot of games for us, Logan now and Keali'i in the future.
I do think with Coach Hauck and Pease's affinity for RPO, the days of a pocket QB like Drew Miller, who had a great arm, but had the foot speed of pond water and couldn't break 5 seconds in the 40 unless he was running straight down Lone Peak in Big Sky. are over. When Drew got hurt in the 2000 FCS NC game in Chatanooga and the Georgia Southern fans were chanting " Big, White and Slow, Go Back to The Snow," Johnny Montana , who ran a 40 probably somewhere around 4.5 to 4.6, came into the game and they almost swallowed their Copenhagen, hot dogs and dentures, when John Edwards immediately ripped off a 30-40 yard run against GSU's stunned defense !!! John almost led us from a come-from-behind victory in that game and succeeded the following year when we defeated Wofford and won our 2nd NC in Chatanooga. But Johnny Montana also threw a pretty nice pass and if my memory hasn't totally failed, John, who is a UM law grad and practices with his dad and brother, also both UM Law, here in Billings, stands about 6-1.
I think the days of the immobile pocket passer are largely over and to be fair to Kaden Huot, he must have be able to move a little, or we wouldn't have recruited him.
If we want to have a shot at the upset on Saturday in Brookings, we need to start Logan Fife @ QB !!!
And Uof mmann, we can't be one dimensional on Saturday in Brookings or we have no chance. If we put Keali'i in the game and he did what he did on Saturday, the Jack Rabbits will just load the box and what happens when Keali'i gets knocked out of the game ?
Both Logan and Keali'i stand about 6 feet tall and like Dave, Russell and Drew, they will have passes blocked or deflected. But I also think like Dave, Russell, and Drew, our two can win a lot of games for us, Logan now and Keali'i in the future.
I do think with Coach Hauck and Pease's affinity for RPO, the days of a pocket QB like Drew Miller, who had a great arm, but had the foot speed of pond water and couldn't break 5 seconds in the 40 unless he was running straight down Lone Peak in Big Sky. are over. When Drew got hurt in the 2000 FCS NC game in Chatanooga and the Georgia Southern fans were chanting " Big, White and Slow, Go Back to The Snow," Johnny Montana , who ran a 40 probably somewhere around 4.5 to 4.6, came into the game and they almost swallowed their Copenhagen, hot dogs and dentures, when John Edwards immediately ripped off a 30-40 yard run against GSU's stunned defense !!! John almost led us from a come-from-behind victory in that game and succeeded the following year when we defeated Wofford and won our 2nd NC in Chatanooga. But Johnny Montana also threw a pretty nice pass and if my memory hasn't totally failed, John, who is a UM law grad and practices with his dad and brother, also both UM Law, here in Billings, stands about 6-1.
I think the days of the immobile pocket passer are largely over and to be fair to Kaden Huot, he must have be able to move a little, or we wouldn't have recruited him.
If we want to have a shot at the upset on Saturday in Brookings, we need to start Logan Fife @ QB !!!
We're going to be one-dimensional no matter what we do because none of our QBs are good enough to beat SDSU passing the ball. Fife has looked abysmal against any good defense he's faced this season, and this will be the best one. He's fumbled more than any player on the team, and was the reason TN St even had a chance. Going with a QB run game with Keali'i adds at least a little wrinkle to the single dimension we'll see on Saturday.
I honestly don't think it makes much difference who plays QB, though. It's going to be ugly either way.
