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Ivy League Considering Post Season Participation

billingsgriz said:
Love to see it--I think the Ivies will quickly discover that like their academics, their football programs are greatly overrated and will get their collective a$$es handed to them in the playoffs much more often than not !!!
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Actually, probably the reverse. The academics put anywhere you have been to shame.
 
This absolutely needs to happen. This would be a significant change to the FCS. Even if folks feel that their football teams are inferior to MVFC and Big Sky teams (which I am not sure I really believe), the name value alone of adding Ivy League schools would be huge for FCS football as it stands now. It would mean a LOT more to non-FCS die hards to see the Griz beating Yale rather than SEMO. It just hits different.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
This absolutely needs to happen. This would be a significant change to the FCS. Even if folks feel that their football teams are inferior to MVFC and Big Sky teams (which I am not sure I really believe), the name value alone of adding Ivy League schools would be huge for FCS football as it stands now. It would mean a LOT more to non-FCS die hards to see the Griz beating Yale rather than SEMO. It just hits different.
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Your right. I haven’t considered them relevant, or FCS for that matter. Gotto play for Championship to be for real. Glad to Hear this👍
 
Yes, Montanapoops, not all of us can be a self-proclaimed genius like you !!!

I have two friends that are both UM alum as well as graduates of Columbia and Cornell

My friend that earned a Master's Degree in International Relations @ Columbia told me he enjoyed Columbia because he loved living in NYC and his Spanish girl friend, also a Columbia student. But for academics, he told me that UM was far better because he always had access and interaction daily with his professors @ UM who actually taught their undergrad classes whereas his classes @ Columbia, even at the master's level, were not taught by professors but by graduate assistants. John said he very rarely even physically saw his professors and had almost no interaction with them.

My other friend, also a UM undergrad, decided he needed to go to an Ivy league law school after he graduated from UM so he was also off to New York to attend Cornell and he hated Cornell !!! Despite graduating towards the top of his class, he told me his classmates were constantly stabbing each other in the back, not studying together or helping each other by sharing outlines, so they could try to improve their class ranking. ( I lived next to a house full of.UM law students in Missoula.just in front of Kiwanis Park, and they constantly studied together, shared outlines, expressed a lot friendship and cellegiality, and hosted some great parties !!!)

And he told me that when he graduated, he had taken zero classes in natural resources' law, opting instead to take some esoteric electives. And he paid dearly for this when his first job post graduation was at a law firm in Spokane that partially specialized in this area of the law. Fortunately, some of his peers and bosses were UM lawyers that spent many hours mentoring him on natural resources' law. He told me if he could have a do over, he would have gone to law school @ UM instead of Cornell !!!

Both of these friends told me the Ivy League was expensive, full of snobs, and overrated !!!
 
In the last decade or two, the top Ivies would not be anywhere near the top handful of MV or Big Sky teams, with rare exceptions. But the Ivies often beat the likes of Holy Cross, New Hampshire, Maine, Monmouth and various Patriot League schools. HC is only 4-5, but Harvard beat them last weekend. Last year, HC lost to Harvard, as well as 14-17 to Army and Boston College 28-31.
 
billingsgriz said:
Yes, Montanapoops, not all of us can be a self-proclaimed genius like you !!!

I have two friends that are both UM alum as well as graduates of Columbia and Cornell

My friend that earned a Master's Degree in International Relations @ Columbia told me he enjoyed Columbia because he loved living in NYC and his Spanish girl friend, also a Columbia student. But for academics, he told me that UM was far better because he always had access and interaction daily with his professors @ UM who actually taught their undergrad classes whereas his classes @ Columbia, even at the master's level, were not taught by professors but by graduate assistants. John said he very rarely even physically saw his professors and had almost no interaction with them.

My other friend, also a UM undergrad, decided he needed to go to an Ivy league law school after he graduated from UM so he was also off to New York to attend Cornell and he hated Cornell !!! Despite graduating towards the top of his class, he told me his classmates were constantly stabbing each other in the back, not studying together or helping each other by sharing outlines, so they could try to improve their class ranking. ( I lived next to a house full of.UM law students in Missoula.just in front of Kiwanis Park, and they constantly studied together, shared outlines, expressed a lot friendship and cellegiality, and hosted some great parties !!!)

And he told me that when he graduated, he had taken zero classes in natural resources' law, opting instead to take some esoteric electives. And he paid dearly for this when his first job post graduation was at a law firm in Spokane that partially specialized in this area of the law. Fortunately, some of his peers and bosses were UM lawyers that spent many hours mentoring him on natural resources' law. He told me if he could have a do over, he would have gone to law school @ UM instead of Cornell !!!

Both of these friends told me the Ivy League was expensive, full of snobs, and overrated !!!
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I don’t recall Cornell offering a course in natural resources law because, if it had, I probably would have taken it. In any event, the school emphasized theory over substance, so your friend should have been well-equipped to practice in Spokane. His impression of other students, though, is accurate. More to the point, I was not impressed by Big Red football, but hockey was great.
 
billingsgriz said:
Yes, Montanapoops, not all of us can be a self-proclaimed genius like you !!!

I have two friends that are both UM alum as well as graduates of Columbia and Cornell

My friend that earned a Master's Degree in International Relations @ Columbia told me he enjoyed Columbia because he loved living in NYC and his Spanish girl friend, also a Columbia student. But for academics, he told me that UM was far better because he always had access and interaction daily with his professors @ UM who actually taught their undergrad classes whereas his classes @ Columbia, even at the master's level, were not taught by professors but by graduate assistants. John said he very rarely even physically saw his professors and had almost no interaction with them.

My other friend, also a UM undergrad, decided he needed to go to an Ivy league law school after he graduated from UM so he was also off to New York to attend Cornell and he hated Cornell !!! Despite graduating towards the top of his class, he told me his classmates were constantly stabbing each other in the back, not studying together or helping each other by sharing outlines, so they could try to improve their class ranking. ( I lived next to a house full of.UM law students in Missoula.just in front of Kiwanis Park, and they constantly studied together, shared outlines, expressed a lot friendship and cellegiality, and hosted some great parties !!!)

And he told me that when he graduated, he had taken zero classes in natural resources' law, opting instead to take some esoteric electives. And he paid dearly for this when his first job post graduation was at a law firm in Spokane that partially specialized in this area of the law. Fortunately, some of his peers and bosses were UM lawyers that spent many hours mentoring him on natural resources' law. He told me if he could have a do over, he would have gone to law school @ UM instead of Cornell !!!

Both of these friends told me the Ivy League was expensive, full of snobs, and overrated !!!
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Cool stories, bro. And Montana is the Harvard of the west.
 
mthoopsfan said:
In the last decade or two, the top Ivies would not be anywhere near the top handful of MV or Big Sky teams, with rare exceptions. But the Ivies often beat the likes of Holy Cross, New Hampshire, Maine, Monmouth and various Patriot League schools. HC is only 4-5, but Harvard beat them last weekend. Last year, HC lost to Harvard, as well as 14-17 to Army and Boston College 28-31.
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I believe there’s a statistic out there that the ivies have had more grads go to the NFL than any other FCS Conference. Not bad for a conference that doesn’t give out athletic scholarships. Playing for a championship might help their football recruiting also.
 
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