HelenaHandBasket
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Just how much do people think conference revenue in the new MWC would be?
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I'm not sure, but I'm pretty confident that it would be more than that of the BSC.
HelenaHandBasket
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Yeah, but I don't think it will be the payday many assume.
Maybe not, but the increase wouldn't hurt anything.
Ut-Grizfan
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I mean I will be very frustrated, pissed off and disappointed if we refuse to take this chance to move up as I think this is the best chance we will have in the foreseeable future (as long as MSU comes along) but I'd never stop supporting the team, that's ridiculous
Here is pretty good article covering the finances of the Mountain West. https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/re...t=The Mountain West reported,weeks on June 30. The Mountain West reported $78.2 million in revenue in fiscal year 2023 with former conference commissioner Craig Thompson receiving $2.44 million in compensation during that year, according to a report by Sportico.
Sportico obtained the MW's most recently filed tax return, which outlined the conference's finances. The$78.2 million in revenue was a slight decrease from fiscal year 2022, according to the return, with the conference netting $7.3 million. Thompson, who served as the MW's commissioner from its creation in 1999 until Dec. 31,2022, got $1.3 million inseverance out of his $2.44 million payout. He was replaced by Gloria Nevarez to start the 2023 calendar year.
The MW paid most of its members around $5 million in the last fiscal year with Boise State leading the way with the highest distribution at $7.9 million, perSportico. Boise State has a special television revenue carveout that pays the Broncos an additional $1.8 million per season, which has been a point of contention for many of the league's members, especially as Boise State football has lost some national prestige since that bonus was agreed upon in2012 under the MW's previous television deal with ESPN.
According to Nevada's 2023 fiscal year report, the Wolf Pack received$1,494,163 in MW distribution with an additional $3,335,247 in media rights for a combined $4,829,410. Nevada did not reach a bowl in FY23, which usually comes with a mid- to-high six-figure payout from the MW to its member school to cover expenses. The Wolf Pack also got an NCAA distribution of$1,427,498 in FY23. Those three revenue sources combined for $6,256,908 as the Wolf Pack had a school-record$49.533 million in revenue last fiscal year, which was largely boosted by an additional $10 million in direct university support. Almost half of Nevada's 2022-23 budget— $24,145,006— was funded by public-money sources.
The MW's $5 million to $7 million annual distribution pales in comparison to the nation's top FBS conferences. According to USA Today, the Big Ten created $880 million in revenue with most schools getting $60.5 million. The SEC distributed $51.3 million per school with the Big 12 at $44.2 million per school, the ACC at $44.8 million per school and the Pac-12 at $33.6 million. The Pac-12 will be down to two schools when the 2024-25 academic calendar starts next month with the conference falling apart as members sought spots in more money-rich conferences.
The American Athletic Conference, the nation's top Group of 5 conference along with the MW, had$183.24 million in total revenue in FY22, a number bolstered by$51.5 million in exit fees with the departures of Cincinnati, Houston and UCF to the Big 12 and UConn to the Big East. The conference also got $17 million in entry fees for its six new schools. The AAC's FY23 have not been reported.
The MW's per-school payout is in line with the Big East, a non-football conference that paid between $4.5 million to $6.4 million to its schools in FY23, according to PaintTouches.com, which obtained the Big East's tax filing from the conference. The 2024 fiscal year closes in 2.5 weeks on June 30.
Sportico obtained the MW's most recently filed tax return, which outlined the conference's finances. The$78.2 million in revenue was a slight decrease from fiscal year 2022, according to the return, with the conference netting $7.3 million. Thompson, who served as the MW's commissioner from its creation in 1999 until Dec. 31,2022, got $1.3 million inseverance out of his $2.44 million payout. He was replaced by Gloria Nevarez to start the 2023 calendar year.
The MW paid most of its members around $5 million in the last fiscal year with Boise State leading the way with the highest distribution at $7.9 million, perSportico. Boise State has a special television revenue carveout that pays the Broncos an additional $1.8 million per season, which has been a point of contention for many of the league's members, especially as Boise State football has lost some national prestige since that bonus was agreed upon in2012 under the MW's previous television deal with ESPN.
According to Nevada's 2023 fiscal year report, the Wolf Pack received$1,494,163 in MW distribution with an additional $3,335,247 in media rights for a combined $4,829,410. Nevada did not reach a bowl in FY23, which usually comes with a mid- to-high six-figure payout from the MW to its member school to cover expenses. The Wolf Pack also got an NCAA distribution of$1,427,498 in FY23. Those three revenue sources combined for $6,256,908 as the Wolf Pack had a school-record$49.533 million in revenue last fiscal year, which was largely boosted by an additional $10 million in direct university support. Almost half of Nevada's 2022-23 budget— $24,145,006— was funded by public-money sources.
The MW's $5 million to $7 million annual distribution pales in comparison to the nation's top FBS conferences. According to USA Today, the Big Ten created $880 million in revenue with most schools getting $60.5 million. The SEC distributed $51.3 million per school with the Big 12 at $44.2 million per school, the ACC at $44.8 million per school and the Pac-12 at $33.6 million. The Pac-12 will be down to two schools when the 2024-25 academic calendar starts next month with the conference falling apart as members sought spots in more money-rich conferences.
The American Athletic Conference, the nation's top Group of 5 conference along with the MW, had$183.24 million in total revenue in FY22, a number bolstered by$51.5 million in exit fees with the departures of Cincinnati, Houston and UCF to the Big 12 and UConn to the Big East. The conference also got $17 million in entry fees for its six new schools. The AAC's FY23 have not been reported.
The MW's per-school payout is in line with the Big East, a non-football conference that paid between $4.5 million to $6.4 million to its schools in FY23, according to PaintTouches.com, which obtained the Big East's tax filing from the conference. The 2024 fiscal year closes in 2.5 weeks on June 30.
When we had the opportunity to join the WAC about 15 years ago, I felt the same way. And I truly believe we'd already be in the MWC had we done so. But we didn't. So, we aren't. Agree with you that I'll never stop supporting the program and University.
This is absolutely great information. Thank you! Do you happen to have info on the Big Sky payouts? I'm looking, but haven't found it.
Interesting tidbit, though -- "Total annual revenue for Big Sky programs ranges from $35.8 million (Sacramento State) to $12.1 million (Idaho State), according to data aggregated by USA Today." I would NOT have guessed Sac State brings that kind of money in....
HelenaHandBasket
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I am not sure the new MWC will match the same numbers.
Ut-Grizfan
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They probably won't but will still be better then what we get now.
HelenaHandBasket
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Yes, but when you are talking about increasing the athletic budget by $20 million and getting a $3 million conference media payout, it still leaves some work to do.
I am just listening to the GFP. I didn't realize how much they covered it. Two new sports would certainly be a significant cost in addition to the scholarship money. And, truly, the state isn't going to start putting money into this. Putting more money toward state universities has not seemed to me to be where this current legislature and administration are at, though I'd be open to hearing if any of you think I am wrong. And I cannot express enough how I never want to do the JMU model of tacking on a $2,000 student fee for athletics to every student, and the BoR makes the Universities and Student Governments go through some serious hoops to even add a $15 fee for something the students want. I don't see a way forward in funding to make it happen.
Not saying I am against it happening. I just don't see that being in the cards in Montana politics right now. Unless the funding came from private sources or we could show that the money would come short term to cover it, I don't know how it could happen right now.
Not saying I am against it happening. I just don't see that being in the cards in Montana politics right now. Unless the funding came from private sources or we could show that the money would come short term to cover it, I don't know how it could happen right now.
Hoops watcher
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Read an ESPN article that implied 5 million a year. Stated the MWC 4 would get 5 million more in the "new" PAC. How they came up with that is anyone's guess unless discussions have been held by the Remnant 2 and TV people. Not anywhere close to the miserly 45 million the ACC pays.
Hoops watcher
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Looks like AFA is getting poached. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41291626/air-force-emerges-serious-target-aac
Money matters aside you could end up with a fun group of regional schools to compete with if it happens.
markson161
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There will never be a billion dollar surplus again, most of that was Covid money which wasn’t used what it was intended for anyway. Long time Montana residents are having a hard time, or cannot pay the current property taxes as it is now. To expect any extra money to enable the state football teams to move up would justifiably cause an uproar.
Only place that makes sense for them. Actually were always a bit of an oddity in the MWC (other than location, a requirement which has gone completely out the window). Hawaii is the other outlier (although Im not sure where they really fit). Get rid of those and you’re left with Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming, UNM and SJSU. Add UM & MSU to that mix, and maybe NMSU & Idaho and that’s a nice looking, competitive G5 conference, IMHO.
HelenaHandBasket
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I think UNLV is on the pacs radar, but Nevada may make it an issue. Hawaii is also an option for the PAC.
Good Lord. Can you imagine a conference that flows from Hawaii to freaking MEMPHIS???
And if UNLV & Hawaii leave, and AFA leaves…I’m not sure the MWC survives…
HelenaHandBasket
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From what have heard, Hawaii has value because of it's time zone for a television deal.
Home games allow TV to start @ 9:00 in the morning?? Lol…
