mthoopsfan
Well-known member
Sask? What’s the ruling? Thx.
-
Hi Guest, want to participate in the discussions, keep track of read/unread posts access private forums and more? Create your free account and increase the benefits of your eGriz.com experience today!
billingsgriz
Well-known member
I totally disagree, DA Boyz Mom,
The FBS teams offer 85 scholarships, and at the FCS level, we can offer and the GRIZ do, 63, a difference of 22 scholarships. And unlike 1A, FBS, we can and do split some scholarships in 1/2 and so do other FCS schools.
And while the FCS teams normally do lose to the FBS school and play these games fir $, the Shi##y Kitties beat FBS New Mexico and Idaho beat FBS Wyoming and almost also beat # 3 Oregon this year. And 3 years ago in 2021, we beat a #20 at the time ranked Washington of The Pac 12, our first victory over them in 101 years ( 1920 ).
And a lot of our transfers, like QB Logan Fife, Fresno State, and RB Steve Rocker, Jr., Arizona, and LB Riley Wilson, Hawaii, CB Prince Ford, Illinois, and S Creshawn Gordon, Fresno State, transferred from FBS schools. In fact, I thought I read something like 9-10 of our transfers this year out of 15 were from the FBS. Plus a lot of our new recruits are 3 star kids being also recruited by mid to lower level FBS schools. ( It is true that we are not competing with FBS blue bloods like Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State for 4 and 5 star athletes. )
We go into any FBS game down 22 scholarships, not down 63, like Morehead State did yesterday, and I think that is at least potentially harmful and dangerous to some of their kids. The FBS does not allow nonscholarship schools and neither should the FCS !!! ( Rocky here in Billings, Montana Tech in Butte, Carroll in Helena and the Frontier Conference in general do award athletic scholarships as NAIA schools and so do Div. II schools, like Central Washington. NCAA Div. III schools like Whitworth in Spokane do not award athletic scholarships and that is where Morehead State should be playing !!! )
They did incorrectly announce him.
I didn't think the gap is as big as you think. Those non-scholly schools can and do beat other scholly schools. Drake beat EWU just last week.
And San Diego has won a few as well.
The fallacy that these “non scholarship players” don’t get financial aid is just that.
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
I don't know what happened this past weekend, but coming into the weekend Pioneer teams had beaten 2 Big Sky teams this season.
The Ivies don't offer athletic scholarships, and often have a top 25 team or two. The Patriot league only started scholarships about a dozen years ago, I think only 60. The Northeast conference allows 40 scholarships. There are still many kids who want to play at good academic schools. I talked to a player family at dinner on Saturday night, and they said their kid wanted to go to a good school so chose Morehead.
Scholarships make some differences and add to depth, but many good players go to non-scholarship schools. The Ivies do fairly well in the NFL.
The Ivies don't offer athletic scholarships, and often have a top 25 team or two. The Patriot league only started scholarships about a dozen years ago, I think only 60. The Northeast conference allows 40 scholarships. There are still many kids who want to play at good academic schools. I talked to a player family at dinner on Saturday night, and they said their kid wanted to go to a good school so chose Morehead.
Scholarships make some differences and add to depth, but many good players go to non-scholarship schools. The Ivies do fairly well in the NFL.
billingsgriz
Well-known member
Those are all exceptions to the rule--yes, very rarely they beat a full-scholarship team.
When is the last time an Ivy League won the NC ? They have not because their athletics just like their academics are overrated--they do not participate in the playoffs and they won't even schedule a Montana, NDSU, or SDSU because they would get killed, just like Morehead State !!!
And since you think their two fluke wins this year over scholarship schools are commonplace, please list all of the FCS/1-AA national championships won by the Pioneer League--I will eagerly await your list !!!
When is the last time an Ivy League won the NC ? They have not because their athletics just like their academics are overrated--they do not participate in the playoffs and they won't even schedule a Montana, NDSU, or SDSU because they would get killed, just like Morehead State !!!
And since you think their two fluke wins this year over scholarship schools are commonplace, please list all of the FCS/1-AA national championships won by the Pioneer League--I will eagerly await your list !!!
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
The Ivies frequently beat scholarship schools. Here's the last Ivy football team to be ranked in D-I top 20. No. 14. Look at the teams ranked below Dartmouth.
1970 Final Football Polls | College Poll Archive
collegepollarchive.com
When was the last time a Big Sky football team won the top/D1 national championship. Never. The Ivies won many back in the day.
Montana and Dartmouth have discussed a game or home-and-home. The problem is that the Ivies start later in the season (next week) and schedule out several years in advance.
Harvard beat Holy Cross last year. HC was 7-4. Harvard won by 10. HC lost by 3 to Boston College and to West Point. In 2022, HC was 12-1, losing to SDSU by 21 in playoffs. HC beat Harvard by 9 that year. In 2021, HC was 10-3. Harvard beat HC by 38-13 and barely beat Yale.
When was the last time you played in a college football game? I await your response.
The discussion was not national championships. It was whether non-scholarship schools can compete. They can, or some can. You have to try to change the goal posts, because you can't defend your point.
billingsgriz
Well-known member
Know they can't compete, despite the occasional win over a really beat up and/or poorly coached scholarship FCS program, and that is why no Pioneer Conference school has not only not won an 1-AA/FCS national championship but even come close by making the semifinals.
And your engaging in your sophistry by going back to 1970, 54 years ago, to dig up some esoteric, meaningless poll from the last century just proves you can't defend your post and that you are a know-it-all blowhard !!! Now please be so kind as to go play in the street, Mr. Legend In Your Own Mind !!!
And your engaging in your sophistry by going back to 1970, 54 years ago, to dig up some esoteric, meaningless poll from the last century just proves you can't defend your post and that you are a know-it-all blowhard !!! Now please be so kind as to go play in the street, Mr. Legend In Your Own Mind !!!
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
What was so meaningless or esoteric about the poll for the 1970 season? I just defended my point. Non-scholarship teams beat scholarship teams frequently. You just can’t admit that you are dead wrong. A never played the gamer.
billingsgriz
Well-known member
Wrong answer, sir.
You're the one that can't defend your point, and you're so embarrassed that you have been proven wrong that you have to go back to the first term of the Nixon Administration in 1970, 54 years ago in the last century in order to desperately save face by citing a poll that is meaningless, before the 1-AA and it's successor, the FCS even existed
You can't provide any examples from the last 10, 20, 30 or 38 years since 1986 when Washington-Grizzly Stadium was built and Don Read became head our head coach of nonscholarship schools winning the 1-AA/FCS title because they don't exist !!!
But you are right-- " A never played the gamer."
It's okay, I think most of us know what you meant, Mr. Genius !!!
You're the one that can't defend your point, and you're so embarrassed that you have been proven wrong that you have to go back to the first term of the Nixon Administration in 1970, 54 years ago in the last century in order to desperately save face by citing a poll that is meaningless, before the 1-AA and it's successor, the FCS even existed
You can't provide any examples from the last 10, 20, 30 or 38 years since 1986 when Washington-Grizzly Stadium was built and Don Read became head our head coach of nonscholarship schools winning the 1-AA/FCS title because they don't exist !!!
But you are right-- " A never played the gamer."
It's okay, I think most of us know what you meant, Mr. Genius !!!
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
I proved my point and proved you to be wrong. The discussion was never about national championships. It was about whether non-scholarship schools can compete with scholarship schools and beat them. Happens frequently. You are the one embarrassing yourself. That’s consistent with your posting history.
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
Are you aware that Ivy schools don’t participate in the FCS championship? Hard to win a championship not playing playoffs. When was time a Big Sky school won the Ivy championship? Ha.
billingsgriz
Well-known member
The Ivy League doesn't participate in the playoffs because they know they would get their candy a$$es.handed to them just like you did in this post !!!
DoubleNicks
Well-known member
And yet, that conference was 2-0 against the #bsc (Drake beat EWU and San Diego beat Cal Poly) heading into this matchup...
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
The Ivy League has had a rule against football playing post-season since the official league was formed in the mid-50s. The college presidents won’t allow post-season play for the football teams. Ivy leaguers own people like you.
In this thread, I see no one supporting you.
HelenaHandBasket
Well-known member
This had Billy Madison vibes.
griznative24
Well-known member
Would you expect to see him any other way?
This game reminded me of two things:
1. The South Park episode where Cartman pretends he’s retarded in an attempt to win the Special Olympics.
2. The Peyton Manning SNL skit where he plays flag football in an over the top competitive manner with 8 year olds.
This game literally meant nothing and says absolutely zero about who we are as a team. We would’ve been better off scrimmaging ourselves.
1. The South Park episode where Cartman pretends he’s retarded in an attempt to win the Special Olympics.
2. The Peyton Manning SNL skit where he plays flag football in an over the top competitive manner with 8 year olds.
This game literally meant nothing and says absolutely zero about who we are as a team. We would’ve been better off scrimmaging ourselves.
