3 3 5 defense

[uofmman1122]

Related to the defense, I just saw that Ronald Jackson, the junior cornerback, led the team in tackles on Saturday with 12 (10 solo!!!).

That seems...extremely high for a CB (especially in this defense), and likely an appropriate indicator on how the day for the defense went.

Also, as you can tell, I watched the game several times, and man...they were so close to getting it done on offense, if not for just little lapses in execution.

Obviously Fife's step out of bounds on the long run was killer, but Ah Yat missed a wide open Keelan White for a TD on the possession we ended up kicking the FG on, and had he cut it outside instead of inside on his 4th and 1 scamper on our last drive, he likely scores.

 

[garizzalies]

I guess it's just semantics at this point, and we'll have to agree to disagree about the QB run stuff. I think they definitely happened, but I don't think they went into the 2nd half like "we know the QB runs will work on these guys", it just ended up being successful on those particular plays (particularly the 2 scrambles and the fumbled snap plays), whereas similar situations weren't successful in the 1st half.

Our problem, IMO, on Saturday was the 42 other plays where they marched down the (sometimes short) field RPO-ing us to death on 4 possessions while drawing 3 dreadful personal fouls that twice gave them 15 easy yards, and once turned a FG into a TD, got 12 first downs and bled the clock out. It was also playing the worst offensive half of football I've seen in I don't even know how long.

Nothing really to argue about there except to say the “R” in the second half RPOs included the rolling scampers which did not get called in the first. I think they did say at halftime “we can run on these guys”. Bubba said as much.

Our problem, IMO, is that we didn’t punch back on D. We let them RPO “us to death” as you said without adjusting. Why didn’t they load up the box? Sell out to stop the run. Go man on the edges. Single high safety. And dare them to pass down the field or beat us with Romeo’s arm?

The answer probably is that The Griz did not want to risk a quick score, figured they had a big enough lead that only quick scores would get UND back into the game, and played it safe, kept everything in front of them, and thought und would run out of time. Bobbyball is not just on offense

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Sure, I'll just cut up some tape and narrate for you.





Sure, I'll just cut up some tape and narrate for you.

You may have the time since your mom cuts the crust off your PB&Js.

SMH.

Might I suggest that instead of being a lazy loudmouth you let Sammie break the game down for you, and you can plagiarize him and copy and repost when he shows by evidence and competent analysis the "adjustments" made. I'll be sure to enjoy a PB&J with milk watching that.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Might I suggest that instead of being a lazy loudmouth you let Sammie break the game down for you, and you can plagiarize him and copy and repost when he shows by evidence and competent analysis the "adjustments" made. I'll be sure to enjoy a PB&J with milk watching that.

 

[catgrizfan]

I'm no coach but from my understanding you can think of our 3-3-5 sceme as just a flexible 3-4 with a hybred lb that can line up on the LOS or the backfield. It's flexible and is great when you have better athletes than your opposition which we usually do. You can disguise the blitz and do alot of twisting. It fits well with the thumper safety type of athletes we always recruit. But you certainly need a good nose tackle or 3 tech big body.

This makes sense. Given the speed we have always had at LB and DB, having as many fast people on the field as possible is a good thing. I would imagine having 5 DBs allows the defense to disguise coverages as well. I saw UND do some guard pulling when running to the edges. The center blocked the nose and the guards pulled. When the playside receiver was able to hold up his block, it gave them numbers and forced the free safety to come up and make a tackle. Don't think many teams will be able to do this moving forward (maybe the Cats, but their line is banged up and overrated anyway).

 

[WaGriz4life]

To help me get over the GRIZ terrible let down, I watched the Nebraska/ Colorado game.

Nebraska's 3 3 5 defense absolutely dominated CU's offense and contained their playmakers.

It was a 3 3 5 clinic. Nebraska would show 1 thing and execute an entirely different play. They pressured CU all game! Nebraska looks like they're about to be a contender again.

I hope our coaches watch and learn from Nebraska. They run that defense as well as team.

 

[WaGriz4life]

What’s really interesting is the 3-3-5 was created by Rocky Long and others as a way to stop the RUN when you are undersized. Not the pass like most people think. Having speed and stunts and confusion for the Oline to beat teams better than you up front.

 

[Grizfan-24]

It's almost like we've had this conversation before...

There are probably at least a half dozen different ways to run the 3-3-5 and it really comes down to personnel on the DL and how you want to use your flex players. Montana's version looks nothing like the earlier versions of the 3-3/3-5 that we saw in the late 00's. The version we've seen over the past two years looks like a 3-4 with a 2 high shell most weeks. The first four years of Bobby's tenure it had all the feel 3-5 with six man pressure under Baer.

You have to take a long hard look at how the personnel prefers to play and then work your scheme around it. They used a lot of over and tight fronts (looks more like a 40, or a TNT 30/50 look in the second half, and had it not been for some over energetic pursuit and lack of gearing down the point of contact it is likely the defense would have done just fine. Part of the problem, is that you sort of have to look at the larger picture. Those defenders were tired and knew they had to work their ass off to make a big play. Ran right through or by windows a couple times in the last possession or didn't squeeze down in a way to close down gaps.

All of it is correctable and nothing that I saw in the game or again on rewatching had much to do with the actual structure of the defense. They are going to have a different type of DL-going to be more disruptive in a different way than the 1 man wrecking ball they had with Gubner. This group might be collectively more athletic, but albeit smaller. If I were to guess, we could see the staff leaning a lot more into the 30 stunts they employed rather liberally in the first few years they brought it here.

This is a good coaching staff. They'll get things lined out and this week against Morehead St there is a good chance you'll see a game plan that focuses on a lot base system stuff. Weeks like this for defenses can be the type of scaffold that gets their eyes and fits right.

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