MBBALL Griz Offense

[citygriz]

Oh, sure. And only three of those buckets during a SIXTEEN MINUTE STRETCH of the second half of the most important game of the year, the Big Sky Championship against our arch-rival, Montana State. This is like bragging about how many fights you won before you got knocked out cold in the championship fight.

I'm not buying it. This team has serious offensive issues that can only be corrected either by some dynamite scorer that can get his own shot whenever he wants (like a Money Williams), OR a coach who understands offensive-minded basketball. The big question for me is, Has DeCuire recruited himself out of his biggest weakness?

 

[BigSkyBreakdown]

Oh, sure. And only three of those buckets during a SIXTEEN MINUTE STRETCH of the second half of the most important game of the year, the Big Sky Championship against our arch-rival, Montana State. This is like bragging about how many fights you won before you got knocked out cold in the championship fight.

I'm not buying it. This team has serious offensive issues that can only be corrected either by some dynamite scorer that can get his own shot whenever he wants (like a Money Williams), OR a coach who understands offensive-minded basketball. The big question for me is, Has DeCuire recruited himself out of his biggest weakness?

In those 16 minutes what would you have done differently? What offensive areas were they deficient and what actions would you have provided to get the offense back on yrack? You talk about needing more offense but your only answer we see is shooting the 3 ball? What actions are you gonna provide to get those shooters open? What Counters to the action when then chase the shooters over screens or switch those actions. Show us your answers? Provide something? Easy to critique the coach and give us your opinion with not solutions other than shoot more 3s and hire an O coordinator.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

Oh, sure. And only three of those buckets during a SIXTEEN MINUTE STRETCH of the second half of the most important game of the year, the Big Sky Championship against our arch-rival, Montana State. This is like bragging about how many fights you won before you got knocked out cold in the championship fight.

I'm not buying it. This team has serious offensive issues that can only be corrected either by some dynamite scorer that can get his own shot whenever he wants (like a Money Williams), OR a coach who understands offensive-minded basketball. The big question for me is, Has DeCuire recruited himself out of his biggest weakness?

I never said it was good. I just thought it….interesting - HOW did they even do that for as disjointed as it appeared for various stretches?!

 

[citygriz]

In those 16 minutes what would you have done differently? What offensive areas were they deficient and what actions would you have provided to get the offense back on yrack? You talk about needing more offense but your only answer we see is shooting the 3 ball? What actions are you gonna provide to get those shooters open? What Counters to the action when then chase the shooters over screens or switch those actions. Show us your answers? Provide something? Easy to critique the coach and give us your opinion with not solutions other than shoot more 3s and hire an O coordinator.

No, you tell ME what the design of our offense is! You tell ME what actual plays our coaches ran to pull us out of that 16 minute nightmare! If you think our offense is so great, you tell ME what’s so great about it! Describe one unusual innovative play you’ve ever seen this team run! Given the habitual scoring droughts you’ve seen with team the past several years, you tell ME why it happens again and again and again!

Really! I’d genuinely like some input from anybody on this board on this topic. And please respond with all the specificity you demand of me.

 

[citygriz]

No, you tell ME what the design of our offense is! You tell ME what actual plays our coaches ran to pull us out of that 16 minute nightmare! If you think our offense is so great, you tell ME what’s so great about it! Describe one unusual innovative play you’ve ever seen this team run! Given the habitual scoring droughts you’ve seen with team the past several years, you tell ME why it happens again and again and again!

Really! I’d genuinely like some input from anybody on this board on this topic. And please respond with all the specificity you demand of me.

A story told here before. When Steve Kerr applied for the Warriors head coaching job he brought a thick playbook. Everybody complimented him, they had
never seen such a thick playbook,
“Oh,” he said. “Those are just my out of bounds plays.”
How thick is DeCuire’s playbook? About as thick as the Republican guide to women’s rights?

 

[oldrunner]

Coach Logie is running some of this new age offensive stuff too. The Cats' floor spacing and drive angles were confusing to the Griz in that epic collapse last March in Boise. And it wasn't just in the Griz game. The Cats decimated Weber State in the same fashion and were very close to taking down EWU on their home floor right before the conference championship week in Boise. I'm curious to see if Logie continues to have the Cats up on step in his second year at the helm in Bozeman.

I agree.

MSU was not a great team last year. They got hot at the end due, in large part, to the emergence of their senior big man and their new systems settling in with all their new players. The problems experienced by both UM and WSU against MSU, were more related to depth on the defensive side of the ball. Our second string guys were not making the right reads to stop what MSU was doing on O.

I'm hoping that Weber has addressed those issues through recruiting and development for this coming year. So far, I like what I am seeing this summer. However, it's way too early to draw many conclusions.

 

[BigSkyBreakdown]

No, you tell ME what the design of our offense is! You tell ME what actual plays our coaches ran to pull us out of that 16 minute nightmare! If you think our offense is so great, you tell ME what’s so great about it! Describe one unusual innovative play you’ve ever seen this team run! Given the habitual scoring droughts you’ve seen with team the past several years, you tell ME why it happens again and again and again!

Really! I’d genuinely like some input from anybody on this board on this topic. And please respond with all the specificity you demand of me.

Citay it doesn't work that way. If YOU are the critic YOU should be providing solutions rather than feelings. Yes offense was sporadic and yes they had LONG stretches of drought according to many posters. To us that just means they were a streaky shooting team. Considering the post earlier regarding most points being scored. Feelings don't validate evidence. Maybe you just don't prefer to watch Travis consistently winning style of ball.

Tell you what, you answer our questions from our previous posts and we will find a way to watch that game and give our analysis.

You have to answer ours first WITHOUT FEELINGS AND WITH SPECIFICITY

 

[citygriz]

Look, I'm not a basketball coach--nor am I a car mechanic. But I know damned well when it's time to take my car into the garage.

I have posted several specifics over the years; here are a few.

--Three-point shooting. Montana State ranked 102nd in three-point shots attempted at 23.6 per game, and made 36.7% of those shots. We ranked 194th at 21.4 per game and made 35.6% of our shots. That means that any time we take the court against them we are at a three point statistical disadvantage from the three point line.

--Movement off the ball. I have been spoiled watching the Warriors play over the past decade because it is constant constant movement off the ball. In fact, lost to his great shooting, is Curry's movement off the ball to get open shots. Our Griz? I cannot tell you how many times I have leapt screaming out of my chair, "Cut to the fucking basket!! Cut along the baseline!!" It seems we too often get jammed up passing the ball around the three-point line, passing up open shots in favor the the better shot, only to wind up with a bad shot. And while I know this is highly subjective, it seems to me our kids on offense are playing "tight," afraid to take that early open shot.

--Against Cal this past pre-season, the Bobcats jumped out to a big lead, only to see it dwindle in the second half. With the Cal crowd into the game, Logie called a time out and ran a clever double screen play for one of his good shooters, who got a wide open look and buried it. The Cats went on to win. And yet for all our scoring droughts, I seldom see a play call that DeCuire has in his back pocket designed to end the drought.

 

[BigSkyBreakdown]

Look, I'm not a basketball coach--nor am I a car mechanic. But I know damned well when it's time to take my car into the garage.

I have posted several specifics over the years; here are a few.

--Three-point shooting. Montana State ranked 102nd in three-point shots attempted at 23.6 per game, and made 36.7% of those shots. We ranked 194th at 21.4 per game and made 35.6% of our shots. That means that any time we take the court against them we are at a three point statistical disadvantage from the three point line.

--Movement off the ball. I have been spoiled watching the Warriors play over the past decade because it is constant constant movement off the ball. In fact, lost to his great shooting, is Curry's movement off the ball to get open shots. Our Griz? I cannot tell you how many times I have leapt screaming out of my chair, "Cut to the fucking basket!! Cut along the baseline!!" It seems we too often get jammed up passing the ball around the three-point line, passing up open shots in favor the the better shot, only to wind up with a bad shot. And while I know this is highly subjective, it seems to me our kids on offense are playing "tight," afraid to take that early open shot.

--Against Cal this past pre-season, the Bobcats jumped out to a big lead, only to see it dwindle in the second half. With the Cal crowd into the game, Logie called a time out and ran a clever double screen play for one of his good shooters, who got a wide open look and buried it. The Cats went on to win. And yet for all our scoring droughts, I seldom see a play call that DeCuire has in his back pocket designed to end the drought.

Point one....how does this change? You criticized that so what are rhe solutions?

Point two...the warriors are pros and the griz are low major D1 players. If they were warrior caliber players they wouldn't be at UM. You yourself said you aren't a coach so maybe your ideas or thoughts could be against the philosophy of Travis. We will take his W/L record over your critiques


Point three..every staff has ATOs and sets. All coaches have sets to get specific players shots. Players make plays coaches only have so much control over execution.

What you are stating is obvious. But if you want to take your car to the shop you should at least do some research on what mechanic you take it too?

It's simple you don't enjoy Travis offensive philosophy, but you can not argue his consistency and winning traditions, which makes us wonder why you are even a fan?

 

[citygriz]

Point one....how does this change? You criticized that so what are rhe solutions?

Point two...the warriors are pros and the griz are low major D1 players. If they were warrior caliber players they wouldn't be at UM. You yourself said you aren't a coach so maybe your ideas or thoughts could be against the philosophy of Travis. We will take his W/L record over your critiques


Point three..every staff has ATOs and sets. All coaches have sets to get specific players shots. Players make plays coaches only have so much control over execution.

What you are stating is obvious. But if you want to take your car to the shop you should at least do some research on what mechanic you take it too?

It's simple you don't enjoy Travis offensive philosophy, but you can not argue his consistency and winning traditions, which makes us wonder why you are even a fan?

Jeez, do you read? I mean, with comprehension?

Point One: Offensive coordinator. How many times do I have to repeat that?

Point Two: Are you saying D1 players can’t move off the ball?

Point Three: Are you saying DeCuire doesn’t have players who can execute?

In summation. I believe DeCuire has obvious strengths as a coach. Good defensive schemes. Excellent recruiter, with Money Williams on the verge of stardom, as I predicted, a huge get for this program.

But after ten years DeCuire has had little interest from bigger programs, where several other Big Sky coaches have. Are they seeing what I’m seeing, while your maroon-colored glasses blind you to his deficiencies?

 

[BigSkyBreakdown]

Jeez, do you read? I mean, with comprehension?

Point One: Offensive coordinator. How many times do I have to repeat that?

Point Two: Are you saying D1 players can’t move off the ball?

Point Three: Are you saying DeCuire doesn’t have players who can execute?

In summation. I believe DeCuire has obvious strengths as a coach. Good defensive schemes. Excellent recruiter, with Money Williams on the verge of stardom, as I predicted, a huge get for this program.

But after ten years DeCuire has had little interest from bigger programs, where several other Big Sky coaches have. Are they seeing what I’m seeing, while your maroon-colored glasses blind you to his deficiencies?

Jeez, do you read? I mean, with comprehension?

Point One: Offensive coordinator. How many times do I have to repeat that?

Point Two: Are you saying D1 players can’t move off the ball?

Point Three: Are you saying DeCuire doesn’t have players who can execute?

In summation. I believe DeCuire has obvious strengths as a coach. Good defensive schemes. Excellent recruiter, with Money Williams on the verge of stardom, as I predicted, a huge get for this program.

But after ten years DeCuire has had little interest from bigger programs, where several other Big Sky coaches have. Are they seeing what I’m seeing, while your maroon-colored glasses blind you to his deficiencies?

1. Offensive Coordinator....what offense would like him to run to shoot all these 3s? This is the only solution to your critique other than shooting more 3s you have stated other than making a back door cut. If you want more 3s you should have an offense other than than the warriors team full of hall of fame players.

2. Have you watched the NBA summer league? Many of those guys struggle with movement away from the ball. Bad passes, missed screens, wrong reads off those screens, all examples of not executing.

3. I am saying that many times ATO players of all levels youth thru pro may not execute properly during the game. Watch a summer league game. Those players struggle with simple concepts and execution at times.

We went ahead and watched second half. 14 TOs in 1 game let alone a half is disaster waiting to happen.

MSU did a few things. Sagged off Whitney when he had ball forcing him to be a shooter not driver. When whitney gets rid of it the fully denied. They also switched all screens when Moody and Vasquez were coming off screens.

Here are just a few of the plays/sets we saw. The rest comes down to decision and action...execution.


Clips 1 and 2 Euro continuity
Clip 3 high on ball with paint touch and open 3
Clip 4 high on ball to paint touch 3
Clip 5 high on ball to Moody Ghost screen
Clip 6 High On Ball with a switch
Clip 7 floppy action

And our personal favorite....both run by the Warriors.

Clip 8. Post entry split action
Clip 9 stagger open action for best shooter.

 

[citygriz]

Okay. Next time my car needs a tune up I'll bring it to you.

 

[citygriz]

1. Offensive Coordinator....what offense would like him to run to shoot all these 3s? This is the only solution to your critique other than shooting more 3s you have stated other than making a back door cut. If you want more 3s you should have an offense other than than the warriors team full of hall of fame players.

2. Have you watched the NBA summer league? Many of those guys struggle with movement away from the ball. Bad passes, missed screens, wrong reads off those screens, all examples of not executing.

3. I am saying that many times ATO players of all levels youth thru pro may not execute properly during the game. Watch a summer league game. Those players struggle with simple concepts and execution at times.

We went ahead and watched second half. 14 TOs in 1 game let alone a half is disaster waiting to happen.

MSU did a few things. Sagged off Whitney when he had ball forcing him to be a shooter not driver. When whitney gets rid of it the fully denied. They also switched all screens when Moody and Vasquez were coming off screens.

Here are just a few of the plays/sets we saw. The rest comes down to decision and action...execution.


Clips 1 and 2 Euro continuity
Clip 3 high on ball with paint touch and open 3
Clip 4 high on ball to paint touch 3
Clip 5 high on ball to Moody Ghost screen
Clip 6 High On Ball with a switch
Clip 7 floppy action

And our personal favorite....both run by the Warriors.

Clip 8. Post entry split action
Clip 9 stagger open action for best shooter.

Just check out that 2 minute plus sequence against the Cats. Please notice how many times we've got a guy in each corner just standing there, no cuts along the baseline. How easy is it to defend a guy who's just standing there? And for the offense, no chance of a lob dunk or a backdoor cut for a layup.

Here's my new name for this offense: "Standing in the corner watching all the girls go by...."