Griz schedule future home and home with Incarnate Word

[mthoopsfan]

Well to be fair the bison play in a barn that they rent and average 15000 fans a game, and though SDSU averages 18000 for regular season games they only average around 6000 for a playoff game. You know who else outdraws both of those teams on average? Tarleton State, and Alabama State. Half the SWAC makes up half of the top ten on the attendance list. You have to get to the top 25 to get half the big sky and down to #39 on the list to add in Weber. EWU is right in the middle at 67 and the only thing they have going for them is the red turf and though unique to them, it’s impossible to watch a game on for the majority of fans.

To whomever (Everett or Kem) made the point, UNC and PSU rank 102 and 111 in attendance respectively out of 128 teams. There’s clearly a difference between the bottom and top of the conference in facilities and support and a good portion of the the FCS should be D2 or lower still or going forward. The top of FCS is still competitive, but that bottom half is sure getting watered down.

Also, nice to get picked to have a nationally televised network game every year as well just because there’s only a handful of programs, schools, and facilities that the conference wants to show off. Nobody is signing up to put PSU at UNC on an ESPN2 on a Saturday night. They wouldn’t even put such a thing on a Friday night over the high school games they broadcast. And the conference clearly doesn’t want to show a non-competitive blood-letting game either.

Jackson St,, the attendance leader, get $4.1 million of ticket revenue. Alabama St, 4th in attendance, gets 1.1 million from tickets. Source: Knight.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

In 2023 fiscal year, UM had 6.5 million of ticket sales (I don't think that was last season). In 2023, Boise St. had 7.7 million. MSU 5.3 million. Boise had expenses of 60.6 million. UM had expenses of 25 million. Knight website.

That is a lot of high quality info packed into that short post.

 

[oldngrizzly]

In 2023 fiscal year, UM had 6.5 million of ticket sales (I don't think that was last season). In 2023, Boise St. had 7.7 million. MSU 5.3 million. Boise had expenses of 60.6 million. UM had expenses of 25 million. Knight website.

So how much revenue is generated by TV contracts ?

 

[oldngrizzly]

2023 MW attendance​

1. Fresno State, 39,939 (up 872 per game, +2.2%)

2. Boise State, 35,867 (up 2,329 per game, +6.9%)

3. Colorado State, 26,509 (down 382 per game, -1.4%)

4. Air Force, 25,060 (down 1,866 per game, -6.9%)

5. San Diego State, 24,832 (down 4,393 per game, -15%)

6. UNLV, 24,777 (up 2,665 per game, +12.1%)

7. Wyoming, 23,163 (up 3,456 per game, +17.5%)

8. Utah State, 19,282 (up 2,328 per game, +13.7%)

9. Nevada, 16,998 (up 2,093 per game, +12.3%)

10. San Jose State, 16,804 (up 382 per game, +2.3%)

11. New Mexico, 15,982 (up 1,016 per game, +6.8%)

12. Hawaii, 11,251 (up 2,041 per game, +22.2%)

 

[oldngrizzly]

The football team continued its trend of generating about half of Boise State's revenue. The sport generated $28.5 million, up from $25.6 million the previous year. The team's expenses added up to $23.4 million, marking a surplus of $5.1 million.Jun 9, 2024

 

[oldngrizzly]

The Montana grizzlies were no where even close to Boise st.

 

[oldngrizzly]

“Hosting playoff games, the bulk of that revenue does go to the NCAA. This is an NCAA Championship event but we are able to gain some revenue off of that," explained UM Athletic Director Kent Haslam.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

The Montana grizzlies were no where even close to Boise st.

According to these numbers from USA Today in Mar of ‘24 comparing revenue/expenses, Montana finished with a surplus of 6.45 million. 28 mil and change coming from revenue and 22 mil + change going towards expenses. Ranked 118th in total revenue. They don’t give a ranking for surplus but i guarantee you they are top 50 or better. Even the big dogs bringing in 200+ million in revenue only gross about 20-25 mil. LSU was +6.54 mil after bringing in 199+mil in revenue.

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[CDAGRIZ]

Just a quick aside: Remember when we had to take down all the ads in the stadium for playoff games? I don’t remember when that changed, but I’m glad it did because it was stupid.

 

[oldngrizzly]

According to these numbers from USA Today in Mar of ‘24 comparing revenue/expenses, Montana finished with a surplus of 6.45 million. 28 mil and change coming from revenue and 22 mil + change going towards expenses. Ranked 118th in total revenue. They don’t give a ranking for surplus but i guarantee you they are top 50 or better. Even the big dogs bringing in 200+ million in revenue only gross about 20-25 mil. LSU was +6.54 mil after bringing in 199+mil in revenue.

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you are talking all sports and I am talking football ONLY.Surplus included any expensives.One expense we didn't have was the cost to transport the band to Fresno.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

you are talking all sports and I am talking football ONLY.Surplus included any expensives.One expense we didn't have was the cost to transport the band to Fresno.

True, I noticed it was athletic programs after I posted it but I’m pretty sure football is the only profitable sport in the department, maybe basketball to a very small degree. All those other sports are playing off the football teams dime.

 

[oldngrizzly]

I guess the whole point of my post is to show that being an FBS team should be more profitible than FCS.If you ad more seating which someone on here said was in the works. If that were done we should be more profitable and I would think moving up we could bring in teams like the mountain west type. I would think the attendance would increase a long with the bottom line.Would you rather see Wyoming or Missouri State for example.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I guess the whole point of my post is to show that being an FBS team should be more profitible than FCS.If you ad more seating which someone on here said was in the works. If that were done we should be more profitable and I would think moving up we could bring in teams like the mountain west type. I would think the attendance would increase a long with the bottom line.Would you rather see Wyoming or Missouri State for example.

Me personally, I’m 100% on the Mtn West train and, have been for many years. I was not excited about the WAC invite and I’m glad we turned it down or we may have been in the same boat as Idaho. Depending on what the PAC 2 does in the next year or two, will definitely impact what the FCS big dogs in the mid west/north west may attempt to do or get invited to. Given my druthers, I’m for the Snow Belt(I think that’s what we’re calling it?)or something very closely modeled after it. I think it would be great to have the current northern FCS powers form a new FBS con. I believe the likely scenario is though that the PAC 2 and probably 80-90% of the Mnt West will join together, leaving a couple FBS bottom feeders as independents or forming a new crappy western conference. If that happens then the power FCS schools out there should form a new FBS con also.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

I guess the whole point of my post is to show that being an FBS team should be more profitible than FCS.If you ad more seating which someone on here said was in the works. If that were done we should be more profitable and I would think moving up we could bring in teams like the mountain west type. I would think the attendance would increase a long with the bottom line.Would you rather see Wyoming or Missouri State for example.

Profitability is about much more than gross receipts. Moving up would add greatly to expenses, necessitating a large increase in income, which is not guaranteed. There's a reason that schools conduct feasibility studies before making such moves. I highly doubt that every FBS school is more profitable than UM.

 

[SoldierGriz]

According to these numbers from USA Today in Mar of ‘24 comparing revenue/expenses, Montana finished with a surplus of 6.45 million. 28 mil and change coming from revenue and 22 mil + change going towards expenses. Ranked 118th in total revenue. They don’t give a ranking for surplus but i guarantee you they are top 50 or better. Even the big dogs bringing in 200+ million in revenue only gross about 20-25 mil. LSU was +6.54 mil after bringing in 199+mil in revenue.

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sports.usatoday.com

The big schools are funding many, many more sports...

 

[oldngrizzly]

Profitability is about much more than gross receipts. Moving up would add greatly to expenses, necessitating a large increase in income, which is not guaranteed. There's a reason that schools conduct feasibility studies before making such moves. I highly doubt that every FBS school is more profitable than UM

I am talking about UM would be more profitible moving up.Not considering other schools as far as profitibility.It's not just about sports but like I said earlier it's about recruiting new students.Tell me what advantage UM has right now to recruit new students vs Boise state for example.Boise state was once a nobody.True their population has grown because they offer better quality good paying jobs which as a whole Missoula does not.
I think behind the scences UM is working on moving up within the next few years.Especially if they are planning a seat expansion like someone mentioned.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The big schools are funding many, many more sports.

Yes, and all of those other sports are not profitable.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yes, and all of those other sports are not profitable.

Of course they aren't. The point was ref the excess revenue data. That excess revenue funds dozens of other university sports at the FBS school (many more than the Griz subsidize).

The Griz may have some excess revenue, but a move up with likely additional sports requirements would eliminate it quickly...

I don't think there is a fiscal path to move up. If there was - it would have already happened. The landscape is actually harder now than it was in the past IMO.

I love the FCS. I do admit I'd like to see some FCS conference realignment. I don't enjoy PSU or NO CO in the league.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Of course they aren't. The point was ref the excess revenue data. That excess revenue funds dozens of other university sports at the FBS school (many more than the Griz subsidize).

The Griz may have some excess revenue, but a move up with likely additional sports requirements would eliminate it quickly...

I don't think there is a fiscal path to move up. If there was - it would have already happened. The landscape is actually harder now than it was in the past IMO.

I love the FCS. I do admit I'd like to see some FCS conference realignment. I don't enjoy PSU or NO CO in the league.

UM doesn’t have excess revenue. In some fiscal years, the numbers are off briefly due to timing of transfer of funds in big accounts.

 

[SoldierGriz]

UM doesn’t have excess revenue. In some fiscal years, the numbers are off briefly due to timing of transfer of funds in big accounts.

I didn't say UM had extra revenue. The discussion was ref extra revenue produced by FBS schools...that ends up funding all of the other sports. UM will not generate that kind of windfall...the math will not work...no matter what some on here argue.

You and I are in full agreement ref moving up, I believe.