Questions on offense going into spring camp

[firmgriz]

I think Phillips comes out of fall camp as the starter with Gresch Jensen the clear #2. I also think this Hill kid will see the field quite a bit. I think by game 3 or 4, Jensen will start and the battle for #2 will be between Hill and Phillips.

I think we see Phillips starting the whole season, barring injury. He is stepping up as the presumed #1 and he takes a lot of pride and is super excited about wearing the mantle. We didn't see what he is capable of last year. I think this spring will be his coming out party. I'm really excited about the tangible skills and the intangible leadership qualities he brings to the table.

 

[dayday]

I think Phillips comes out of fall camp as the starter with Gresch Jensen the clear #2. I also think this Hill kid will see the field quite a bit. I think by game 3 or 4, Jensen will start and the battle for #2 will be between Hill and Phillips.

I think we see Phillips starting the whole season, barring injury. He is stepping up as the presumed #1 and he takes a lot of pride and is super excited about wearing the mantle. We didn't see what he is capable of last year. I think this spring will be his coming out party. I'm really excited about the tangible skills and the intangible leadership qualities he brings to the table.

Yeah i could see this. I think he has the upper hand. This year he knows this team and the offense. I kind of take what I've seen of him in scrimmages and mop duty as not an indication of what he can do. In the scrimmages he was often with 3rd string o-line and receivers going against first team. In mop up duty, his chances were often in difficult situations where he was given terrible field position.


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[BWahlberg]

I think Phillips comes out of fall camp as the starter with Gresch Jensen the clear #2. I also think this Hill kid will see the field quite a bit. I think by game 3 or 4, Jensen will start and the battle for #2 will be between Hill and Phillips.

I think we see Phillips starting the whole season, barring injury. He is stepping up as the presumed #1 and he takes a lot of pride and is super excited about wearing the mantle. We didn't see what he is capable of last year. I think this spring will be his coming out party. I'm really excited about the tangible skills and the intangible leadership qualities he brings to the table.

I tend to think this as well. Thinking about the progression that Chalich had from year 1 to year 2 as a transfer coming in and getting familiar with the offense, the OL, the WRs, etc - if we see similar to better from Phillips we'll have a good starting QB through the season.

I am intrigued by Hill, considering the attention and accolades he had coming out of his JuCo. Many times we don't see JuCo kids adjust well their first year, however we usually don't seem to pull JuCo kids of his talent level either.

 

[zirge]

I think Phillips comes out of fall camp as the starter with Gresch Jensen the clear #2. I also think this Hill kid will see the field quite a bit. I think by game 3 or 4, Jensen will start and the battle for #2 will be between Hill and Phillips.

Running back we'll see Treshawn Favors step up big time this year and finally show why he was brought here.
Calhoun will be the feature back! Should have been last year too...

Calhoun, Curran will lead the WR's. JLM will have a ball out of the slot. Horner is going to be a beast and defenses will have a night mare this year dealing with him over the middle.
Our Tall young receivers will get a lot of playing time early so coaches can find out what they can do.

I think we see one of the young WR's step up as a return specialist, a guy like the Griz haven't had since Mariani went to Tennessee. Maybe Taylor?

Let's face it, if this offense is to be successful, it starts with the O-Line! Whoever is the QB, I hope he can read the defense quick enough so the O-Line can get into alignment for the play. Too many times last year the O-Line wasn't in position for audible play.

good overview.......agree O-line is vital to success and you may be right about Jensen.
I too am looking for a Mariani like receiver to emerge... hope it is Taylor, it may be Akem, at least one of them show up and afforded the opportunity to excel.

two things from Brint's excellent assessment that seems glaring to me is:
1. our depth at RB seems to be a bit shallow at this point.
2. at least observing in the stands, the offensive plays did not seem all that prolific/and or complicated, so not sure if the playbook would hold guys back like Jensen and Hill, i believe it may be more of reads, finding the open man and throwing accuracy, which is more of being able to play the game.
speaking of defensive reads and being able to see the field of receivers for the open man, last year, I did not observe Brady doing much of this as required by stitts proclaiming this was a must prerequisite to his dynamic offense. In Brady's defense though, this was most likely due that he was not afforded the opportunity (enough time) to see all his options and hit the open man and rushed his throw. he did seem to be pretty anxious to throw most of the time.
anyway,
go griz...........go oline....we really need your support.

 

[Griz til I die]

I think Phillips comes out of fall camp as the starter with Gresch Jensen the clear #2. I also think this Hill kid will see the field quite a bit. I think by game 3 or 4, Jensen will start and the battle for #2 will be between Hill and Phillips.

I think we see Phillips starting the whole season, barring injury. He is stepping up as the presumed #1 and he takes a lot of pride and is super excited about wearing the mantle. We didn't see what he is capable of last year. I think this spring will be his coming out party. I'm really excited about the tangible skills and the intangible leadership qualities he brings to the table.

Yeah i could see this. I think he has the upper hand. This year he knows this team and the offense. I kind of take what I've seen of him in scrimmages and mop duty as not an indication of what he can do. In the scrimmages he was often with 3rd string o-line and receivers going against first team. In mop up duty, his chances were often in difficult situations where he was given terrible field position.


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I'm not sure how I feel about Phillips being the starter. In the one game I saw him play in last season against Sac State he nearly had a safety and an interception on the same play. He couldn't really field the snaps cleanly and had a tough time throwing the ball. IMO I think the starter will be Jensen, for a while I thought it would be Hill, but then I heard some other fans and how great they thought Jensen was as well as the coaches, however I do think the job is any of theirs.

 

[uofmman1122]

Sammy Akem is going to come onto the scene like an absolute freight train. He will be the biggest surprise for the Griz this year on offense. Mark it down

This.

I don't think anyone can keep Akem and Toure off the field, and I'll wager that Akem leads the team in TDs this year.

 

[fanofzoo]

I just came in from the firing line from firing 24 brand new Air Force cops with lasers and see this. Too many questions to answer.

Same with your post......

I hit submit before I could finish. One of the troops had an emergency....

I am a Combat Arms Instructor for the Air Force, I teach shooting etc....When you get a class of brand new personnel like I had, it makes for a real long day.

I always like Brints posts and enjoy reading/commenting.

Remind me to treat you nicer.

 

[AZDoc]

I just came in from the firing line from firing 24 brand new Air Force cops with lasers and see this. Too many questions to answer.

Same with your post......

I hit submit before I could finish. One of the troops had an emergency....

I am a Combat Arms Instructor for the Air Force, I teach shooting etc....When you get a class of brand new personnel like I had, it makes for a real long day.

I always like Brints posts and enjoy reading/commenting.

Remind me to treat you nicer.

And remind me to put your boat back...

 

[griz5700]

I'd like to see Jensen emerge as the starter, even if he is slightly behind Phillips in camp. I want to see what a Stitt QB recruit looks like.
If Jensen shows promise and the Griz struggle, it may be enough to save Stitt's job. If Phillips starts and the Griz have another season like last, it's all over for this staff, I assume.

 

[bgbigdog]

I'd like to see Jensen emerge as the starter, even if he is slightly behind Phillips in camp. I want to see what a Stitt QB recruit looks like.
If Jensen shows promise and the Griz struggle, it may be enough to save Stitt's job. If Phillips starts and the Griz have another season like last, it's all over for this staff, I assume.

Did Pflu or Delaney recruit Phillips? All of them are on Stitt as of the end of last season.

 

[griz5700]

I'd like to see Jensen emerge as the starter, even if he is slightly behind Phillips in camp. I want to see what a Stitt QB recruit looks like.
If Jensen shows promise and the Griz struggle, it may be enough to save Stitt's job. If Phillips starts and the Griz have another season like last, it's all over for this staff, I assume.

Did Pflu or Delaney recruit Phillips? All of them are on Stitt as of the end of last season.

Oh I'm sorry, a HS recruit.... :roll:

 

[bgbigdog]

I'd like to see Jensen emerge as the starter, even if he is slightly behind Phillips in camp. I want to see what a Stitt QB recruit looks like.
If Jensen shows promise and the Griz struggle, it may be enough to save Stitt's job. If Phillips starts and the Griz have another season like last, it's all over for this staff, I assume.

Did Pflu or Delaney recruit Phillips? All of them are on Stitt as of the end of last season.

Oh I'm sorry, a HS recruit.... :roll:

Nothing to be sorry about.

But I think I'm going out on a limb with the following: Brady could barely get out of his own way, suffering a case of the yips when things got tough and Chalich's muscle memory brought on happy feet @ times. All three of the current depth chart dwellers appear to be able to wheel and pitch the rock as well as any we've had recently. I believe the o-line & running game will be better @ some point early in the season. That said, if this offense doesn't just take off like a rocket, it really will be all on Stitt.

 

[Spanky]

News Flash! The little guy in the green hat is an Offensive Genius! The Griz are expected to destroy all opponents without mercy!! :thumb: :thumb:

 

[Fushiznitz]

Where Phillips fell short in camps last year appeared to be a full grasp of the offense, where Chalich and Gus had a leg-up with 1 more year running the offense over Reese.

Making the decision of whether to hand it off up the middle, or throwing the bubble screen to the long side of the field is super complex, and can take years to master. Maybe we should be looking exclusively for Ivy League drop-downs with yuge brains. Since we didn't, we are fooked.

 

[BWahlberg]

Where Phillips fell short in camps last year appeared to be a full grasp of the offense, where Chalich and Gus had a leg-up with 1 more year running the offense over Reese.

Making the decision of whether to hand it off up the middle, or throwing the bubble screen to the long side of the field is super complex, and can take years to master. Maybe we should be looking exclusively for Ivy League drop-downs with yuge brains. Since we didn't, we are fooked.

I assume you're being funny/sarcastic but if you actually talk to someone that knows the offense and the playbook they'll point out how complex it can really be... IF it is executed/run properly.

 

[Fushiznitz]

Where Phillips fell short in camps last year appeared to be a full grasp of the offense, where Chalich and Gus had a leg-up with 1 more year running the offense over Reese.

Making the decision of whether to hand it off up the middle, or throwing the bubble screen to the long side of the field is super complex, and can take years to master. Maybe we should be looking exclusively for Ivy League drop-downs with yuge brains. Since we didn't, we are fooked.

I assume you're being funny/sarcastic but if you actually talk to someone that knows the offense and the playbook they'll point out how complex it can really be... IF it is executed/run properly.

Your assumption is mostly correct. However, if this offense is that complex, it is lost on me, Brady, and Stitt, and found by every team's defense we faced the second half of the season. Sorry. But the 'super-complex offense' has proven to be nothing more than a fallacy.

 

[behappp]

I think Phillips comes out of fall camp as the starter with Gresch Jensen the clear #2. I also think this Hill kid will see the field quite a bit. I think by game 3 or 4, Jensen will start and the battle for #2 will be between Hill and Phillips.

This doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that the "Hill kid" will be the 3rd string QB yet see the field quite a bit?

We had better have lots of big leads or big deficits for the 3rd string QB to do this.

 

[rocklobster]

It seems like it's gonna come down to the OL and QB play. I'm personally glad that "check down Gus" is no longer around. Like to see us stretching the field a bit more. We have the speed to do it with, according to those with knowledge on this sight. I still think Bingham and Horner will be our most important receivers though. JLM, if not getting decimated like last year will too, but the big guys catching passes in the middle, and in the end zone will be our bread and butter. To expect RS freshmen to carry the load is unrealistic! I'd love to Akem, Toure, and others step up, but our QBS may find comfort in the big guys. After last year, I think we may be in for a surprise at what this offense is capable of...at least I hope so. Go Griz!

 

[griz5700]

Where Phillips fell short in camps last year appeared to be a full grasp of the offense, where Chalich and Gus had a leg-up with 1 more year running the offense over Reese.

Making the decision of whether to hand it off up the middle, or throwing the bubble screen to the long side of the field is super complex, and can take years to master. Maybe we should be looking exclusively for Ivy League drop-downs with yuge brains. Since we didn't, we are fooked.

I assume you're being funny/sarcastic but if you actually talk to someone that knows the offense and the playbook they'll point out how complex it can really be... IF it is executed/run properly.

Funny. You gotta get in there in and talk to someone! They know...

#3-5
#complex
#WHATIF

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Your assumption is mostly correct. However, if this offense is that complex, it is lost on me, Brady, and Stitt, and found by every team's defense we faced the second half of the season. Sorry. But the 'super-complex offense' has proven to be nothing more than a fallacy.

What makes the offense complex is the number of possible reads on each play, too bad BG, with some help of a porous OL, either failed or couldn't even scratch the surface. Dump off after dump off after check down to a run.