Why?

[24GRIZ]

If we are gonna run up gut for 1-3 yds to get the first down - why not use Turner? He is a big dude and has a chance to knock an lb on his butt. It makes no sense at all to keep using the much lighter backs.
Harris is not injured. Late in first half Harris did not go straight up field to get 1st down on third and one. Instead he kept bouncing to outside and got tackled going sideways in front of Griz bench. When I saw Hauck chewing him out, I knew he would be done for the day barring injuries.

 

[GottaluvGriz]

No idea. I have to assume the doing what we’re doing currently won’t change a thing any defense does.

I agree, but the wildcat ain't the answer.

So sure? Many teams have effectively installed a wildcat series into their offense.
It doesn’t change the other 90+% of the offensive play calls during the game but it does require teams to prepare for something other than 185lb or less, running backs running between tackles or constantly having to try to bounce the run outside.
This thread started with the hypothesis of what else could be done with our current group of healthy players instead of just the same play calls we have seen.
Wildcat was suggested as possible option for a series or two.
No one has suggested we scrap our current offense.
Go Griz!

 

[GottaluvGriz]

Possibly. Part of the issue with what has happened to our defense with EWU and most recently with Sac State is that they are on the field too long.
If we found a nugget or two on the offensive side of the ball to pick up a few more 1st downs during the game, yes it would change how teams have been attacking our gassed defense.
Go Griz!

My point is that a wildcat doesn't put a different pressure on the defense than what they are currently trying to run. Other defenses don't have to change how they attack the Griz offense.

Other than an additional blocker and a heavier runner than we currently are running?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I agree, but the wildcat ain't the answer.

So sure? Many teams have effectively installed a wildcat series into their offense.
It doesn’t change the other 90+% of the offensive play calls during the game but it does require teams to prepare for something other than 185lb or less, running backs running between tackles or constantly having to try to bounce the run outside.
This thread started with the hypothesis of what else could be done with our current group of healthy players instead of just the same play calls we have seen.
Wildcat was suggested as possible option for a series or two.
No one has suggested we scrap our current offense.
Go Griz!

You over estimate the effect of the wildcat in the game of football.

 

[GottaluvGriz]

So sure? Many teams have effectively installed a wildcat series into their offense.
It doesn’t change the other 90+% of the offensive play calls during the game but it does require teams to prepare for something other than 185lb or less, running backs running between tackles or constantly having to try to bounce the run outside.
This thread started with the hypothesis of what else could be done with our current group of healthy players instead of just the same play calls we have seen.
Wildcat was suggested as possible option for a series or two.
No one has suggested we scrap our current offense.
Go Griz!

You over estimate the effect of the wildcat in the game of football.

Oh believe me, I’m not a huge fan of the wildcat. The thread again was started with the question, “what can we do differently with the current healthy group of players.”
If someone would have suggested running the option with Sampson years ago with the injuries we had prior to Idaho, they would have been laughed at. Not sure how we did it, but we did.

 

[WaGriz4life]

No opportunities for our toughest healthy running backs, Drew Turner and Colter Janacaro? Physically, they should be able to handle heavy volume, establish a between the tackles running game, and with their size, better handle qb protection. Instead, we're using an under sized converted WR, that still needs another 20 lbs. Our running game is predictable, under the current circumstances.

If, we continue to use our current depth, and waste away Turner and or Janacaro, wouldn't it make sense, to use Flowers as the receiving back? His coverage defender wouldn't be able to jam him from the backfield. He'd likely have lbs and safeties picking him up in coverage, which is a mismatch, and it would be easier to get him the ball in space. Also, he's bigger than Bergen, he might be able to break away easier than a smaller back. Finally, If he did play some qb in high school, he could possibly be used for trick plays like double passes, reverses, etc. Getting Flowers 10 plus touches per game would be huge for the offense. To me, as things are, this makes a lot of sense.

Ideally, all this running back talk, becomes insignificant, by us getting back any combination of Knight, Ostmo, Childs and hope Harris isn't significantly injured too.

The fact is, we're currently in dire straights at halfback. It's on the staff to get creative with personnel, and strategy. I thought about this intensely and for a long time. These are the only realistic options I came up with.

The other option, was to change the type of offense. However, that's likely not possible this late in the season.

Because they are nowhere near the athlete or football player that Junior Bergen is. End of story

 

[Copper Griz]

No opportunities for our toughest healthy running backs, Drew Turner and Colter Janacaro? Physically, they should be able to handle heavy volume, establish a between the tackles running game, and with their size, better handle qb protection. Instead, we're using an under sized converted WR, that still needs another 20 lbs. Our running game is predictable, under the current circumstances.

If, we continue to use our current depth, and waste away Turner and or Janacaro, wouldn't it make sense, to use Flowers as the receiving back? His coverage defender wouldn't be able to jam him from the backfield. He'd likely have lbs and safeties picking him up in coverage, which is a mismatch, and it would be easier to get him the ball in space. Also, he's bigger than Bergen, he might be able to break away easier than a smaller back. Finally, If he did play some qb in high school, he could possibly be used for trick plays like double passes, reverses, etc. Getting Flowers 10 plus touches per game would be huge for the offense. To me, as things are, this makes a lot of sense.

Ideally, all this running back talk, becomes insignificant, by us getting back any combination of Knight, Ostmo, Childs and hope Harris isn't significantly injured too.

The fact is, we're currently in dire straights at halfback. It's on the staff to get creative with personnel, and strategy. I thought about this intensely and for a long time. These are the only realistic options I came up with.

The other option, was to change the type of offense. However, that's likely not possible this late in the season.

Because they are nowhere near the athlete or football player that Junior Bergen is. End of story

So you are saying that Bergen with his size is a better blocker than Turner or Janacaro? Sorry. I ain’t buying it. KB got his ass handed to him on several plays yesterday. Clearly the O line wasn’t up to the task and he could have used all the help he could muster getting a damn block. Bergen may be a great athlete (he had some nice runs yesterday) but to not swap him out occasionally with more of a bruiser back line Turner is stupidity. Especially when they tried the failed running plays over and over and over yesterday. I give Hauck a lot of slack on this board, but he has been known to be stubborn throughout his career. The Griz don’t have that damn luxury anymore. Other college teams have hurt players and young QB’s who effectively run the offense and new wrinkles week in and week out. How the hell do the Grizzlies have a mediocre offense with CH and none with KB. Seriously on the OC and HC.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Because they are nowhere near the athlete or football player that Junior Bergen is. End of story

So you are saying that Bergen with his size is a better blocker than Turner or Janacaro? Sorry. I ain’t buying it. KB got his ass handed to him on several plays yesterday. Clearly the O line wasn’t up to the task and he could have used all the help he could muster getting a damn block. Bergen may be a great athlete (he had some nice runs yesterday) but to not swap him out occasionally with more of a bruiser back line Turner is stupidity. Especially when they tried the failed running plays over and over and over yesterday. I give Hauck a lot of slack on this board, but he has been known to be stubborn throughout his career. The Griz don’t have that damn luxury anymore. Other college teams have hurt players and young QB’s who effectively run the offense and new wrinkles week in and week out. How the hell do the Grizzlies have a mediocre offense with CH and none with KB. Seriously on the OC and HC.

Because Cam Humphrey has much more experience and is a much better player right now than Kris Brown. Also Cam had a healthier better team around him. And when does Bergen have to pick up blitzes lol? He is the check down in the flat on nearly every play.

 

[Copper Griz]

So you are saying that Bergen with his size is a better blocker than Turner or Janacaro? Sorry. I ain’t buying it. KB got his ass handed to him on several plays yesterday. Clearly the O line wasn’t up to the task and he could have used all the help he could muster getting a damn block. Bergen may be a great athlete (he had some nice runs yesterday) but to not swap him out occasionally with more of a bruiser back line Turner is stupidity. Especially when they tried the failed running plays over and over and over yesterday. I give Hauck a lot of slack on this board, but he has been known to be stubborn throughout his career. The Griz don’t have that damn luxury anymore. Other college teams have hurt players and young QB’s who effectively run the offense and new wrinkles week in and week out. How the hell do the Grizzlies have a mediocre offense with CH and none with KB. Seriously on the OC and HC.

Because Cam Humphrey has much more experience and is a much better player right now than Kris Brown. Also Cam had a healthier better team around him. And when does Bergen have to pick up blitzes lol? He is the check down in the flat on nearly every play.

Maybe that’s the problem. An offensive scheme where the running back never picks up a blitz and you have a freshman QB. Look at the stat line. Nothing beyond 20 yards yesterday. Whether CH is better or not doesn’t matter - he is out hurt and apparently Brown never played a snap with the one’s in practice.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Because Cam Humphrey has much more experience and is a much better player right now than Kris Brown. Also Cam had a healthier better team around him. And when does Bergen have to pick up blitzes lol? He is the check down in the flat on nearly every play.

Maybe that’s the problem. An offensive scheme where the running back never picks up a blitz and you have a freshman QB. Look at the stat line. Nothing beyond 20 yards yesterday. Whether CH is better or not doesn’t matter - he is out hurt and apparently Brown never played a snap with the one’s in practice.

We usually have a TE in the backfield either over an OT or another TE on the line of scrimmage that typically motions and picks up blitzes. We probably use more 3 TE sets than anyone in college football because of our RB situation. I swear most of you don’t know how to watch football, or flat don’t understand it

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Maybe that’s the problem. An offensive scheme where the running back never picks up a blitz and you have a freshman QB. Look at the stat line. Nothing beyond 20 yards yesterday. Whether CH is better or not doesn’t matter - he is out hurt and apparently Brown never played a snap with the one’s in practice.

We usually have a TE in the backfield either over an OT or another TE on the line of scrimmage that typically motions and picks up blitzes. We probably use more 3 TE sets than anyone in college football because of our RB situation. I swear most of you don’t know how to watch football, or flat don’t understand it

Guilty. I actually tried to watch the game and missed the first two possessions because I accidentally clicked on the football scene from Wedding Crashers instead. I knew something was off and I quickly figured out how to watch football.

 

[WaGriz4life]

We usually have a TE in the backfield either over an OT or another TE on the line of scrimmage that typically motions and picks up blitzes. We probably use more 3 TE sets than anyone in college football because of our RB situation. I swear most of you don’t know how to watch football, or flat don’t understand it

Guilty. I actually tried to watch the game and missed the first two possessions because I accidentally clicked on the football scene from Wedding Crashers instead. I knew something was off and I quickly figured out how to watch football.

:thumb: Understandable

 

[Copper Griz]

Maybe that’s the problem. An offensive scheme where the running back never picks up a blitz and you have a freshman QB. Look at the stat line. Nothing beyond 20 yards yesterday. Whether CH is better or not doesn’t matter - he is out hurt and apparently Brown never played a snap with the one’s in practice.

We usually have a TE in the backfield either over an OT or another TE on the line of scrimmage that typically motions and picks up blitzes. We probably use more 3 TE sets than anyone in college football because of our RB situation. I swear most of you don’t know how to watch football, or flat don’t understand it

#Usually. Exactly the point. Clearly those tight end sets aren’t working and they did not use them on every play. Maybe try something else and Bergen running or running out to the flat for a 3 yard pass during those sets was not working. God forbid you try something different with a bigger back. No reason to not play Turner or Janacaro. CDA said it best. Definition of insanity. We aren’t going to agree on this one. Watching football is easy. Watching bad football is painful. Lot of pain yesterday.

 

[WaGriz4life]

We usually have a TE in the backfield either over an OT or another TE on the line of scrimmage that typically motions and picks up blitzes. We probably use more 3 TE sets than anyone in college football because of our RB situation. I swear most of you don’t know how to watch football, or flat don’t understand it

#Usually. Exactly the point. Clearly those tight end sets aren’t working and they did not use them on every play. Maybe try something else and Bergen running or running out to the flat for a 3 yard pass during those sets was not working. God forbid you try something different with a bigger back. No reason to not play Turner or Janacaro. CDA said it best. Definition of insanity. We aren’t going to agree on this one. Watching football is easy. Watching bad football is painful. Lot of pain yesterday.

Agree to disagree on Drew Turner and the young Janacoro kid. Don’t think they would help us much, if at all.

 

[kemajic]

It would not take a bunch of time and practice to install the wildcat for a few series with Garret Graves.
He has vision to run to the hole. (Take note of the KO return this week) He has played QB in High School and actually started at that position with the Griz. He is much heavier than our current RB options until we can ever get healthy again with Child’s return.
Go Griz!

Also, Robertson played a few series this past week, so that can free up Graves to play on offense a series or two.

I wonder how much weight he lost; he was but a fraction of himself. Skinny, Skinny.

 

[kemajic]

#Usually. Exactly the point. Clearly those tight end sets aren’t working and they did not use them on every play. Maybe try something else and Bergen running or running out to the flat for a 3 yard pass during those sets was not working. God forbid you try something different with a bigger back. No reason to not play Turner or Janacaro. CDA said it best. Definition of insanity. We aren’t going to agree on this one. Watching football is easy. Watching bad football is painful. Lot of pain yesterday.

Agree to disagree on Drew Turner and the young Janacoro kid. Don’t think they would help us much, if at all.

Relative to how well we are currently doing? They bring some size and strength that Harris and Bergen don't. They can soften up a defense; the little guys can't.

 

[uofmman1122]

Also, Robertson played a few series this past week, so that can free up Graves to play on offense a series or two.

I wonder how much weight he lost; he was but a fraction of himself. Skinny, Skinny.

People online have said anywhere from 10-30 lbs, and before seeing him on Saturday, I wasn't sure if I would have believed it.

He looked like a shell of himself that we saw in the UW game. Truly heartbreaking.

 

[fanofzoo]

Because they are nowhere near the athlete or football player that Junior Bergen is. End of story

So you are saying that Bergen with his size is a better blocker than Turner or Janacaro? Sorry. I ain’t buying it. KB got his ass handed to him on several plays yesterday. Clearly the O line wasn’t up to the task and he could have used all the help he could muster getting a damn block. Bergen may be a great athlete (he had some nice runs yesterday) but to not swap him out occasionally with more of a bruiser back line Turner is stupidity. Especially when they tried the failed running plays over and over and over yesterday. I give Hauck a lot of slack on this board, but he has been known to be stubborn throughout his career. The Griz don’t have that damn luxury anymore. Other college teams have hurt players and young QB’s who effectively run the offense and new wrinkles week in and week out. How the hell do the Grizzlies have a mediocre offense with CH and none with KB. Seriously on the OC and HC.

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