Who will step up on the D-Line?

[IntuitiveGriz]

So the thread title is "Who will step up on the D-Line?". Hopefully everybody. In powerhouse programs, when starters graduate or get injured, it's "Next guy up!". There's opportunity in that.

There was a thread earlier by BW that asked something to the effect, "What is the weakest position in 2012?". Most everybody said CB, or secondary anyway. While I agree that maybe the biggest unknown postition, I disagree it is the weakest. I have faith in those guys. I would say the weakest, probably a bad choice of words, rather the biggest area of concern for me is DL. UM graduated a lot of prime-time players. There is talent there, in Harris, Takai and Biennemann--which are the more known entities. They would have played more last yr had it not been for such a SR laden crew ahead of them. Their is really good potential in Crittendon and Wagemann. Sorry for any miss-spellings on the names. I'm looking forward to seeing Ginn for sure, hope he lives up to the hype. The in-coming players sound top-notch, but boy are they as young as it gets. I guess what I am saying their is dJustefinitly talent in the DL, but it is always an area of concern for me if they are not all or almost all proven upper-classmen. Because DL is the most important group on the field.

I agree with an SEC coach that said yesterday at the SEC media circus that "If you have great production your of your QB and your DL, no matter what league you are in, you have a chance to win the conference.".

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

I'd sure like to have Sambrano back for his 5th yr and having UM coaches GUSH OVER HIM, instead of NFL COACHES.
Compare Sambrano's sleeper true freshman year with what his 5th yr season production would have been and it will make you sick to your stomach.

Considering. also, that it really wasn't all that absolutely necessary to play Jabin Sambrano his "true" freshman year.

At least, when considering who else was on the roster playing WR that (2008) year:

Mike Ferriter - senior
Mark Mariani - junior
Tyler Palmer - junior
Rob Schulte - senior

...with four other freshmen WR/TEs that did keep their redshirt that year:

Levi Buckles
Sam Gratton
Tony Kazmierczak
Greg Hardy

I mean, it wasn't like the cupboard was bear, by any stretch of the imagination. Although, of course, wasn't it Phenicie that stated before his first year that he doesn't throw to TEs? Even though we also had:

Kevein Klaboe - junior H-Back
Dan Beaudin - junior
Steve Pfahler - junior
Rob Overton - sophomore

As if they couldn't occasionally catch a pass themselves every once in a while?..along with the WRs at least seven pass catchers before Sambrano is even thought of, in place of a "true" freshman WR. At the best Sambrano was a third-string "true" freshman activated. Unless there were quite a few injuries to the receiving corps, I don't rationalize that too well. But that's hindsight for you. Unless a "true" freshman can be at least a second-stringer, why activate him?

 

[WaGriz4life]

I'd sure like to have Sambrano back for his 5th yr and having UM coaches GUSH OVER HIM, instead of NFL COACHES.
Compare Sambrano's sleeper true freshman year with what his 5th yr season production would have been and it will make you sick to your stomach.

Considering. also, that it really wasn't all that absolutely necessary to play Jabin Sambrano his "true" freshman year.

At least, when considering who else was on the roster playing WR that (2008) year:

Mike Ferriter - senior
Mark Mariani - junior
Tyler Palmer - junior
Rob Schulte - senior

...with four other freshmen WR/TEs that did keep their redshirt that year:

Levi Buckles
Sam Gratton
Tony KazPmierczak
Greg Hardy

I mean, it wasn't like the cupboard was bear, by any stretch of the imagination. Although, of course, wasn't
it Phenicie that stated before his first year that he doesn't throw to TEs? Even though we also had:

Kevein Klaboe - junior H-Back
Dan Beaudin - junior
Steve Phahler - junior
Rob Overton - sophomore

As if they couldn't occasionally catch a pass themselves every once in a while?..along with the WRs at least seven pass catchers before Sambrano is even thought of, in place of a "true" freshman WR. At the best Sambrano was a third-string "true" freshman activated. Unless there were quite a few injuries to the receiving corps, I don't rationalize that too well. But that's hindsight for you. Unless a "true" freshman can be at least a second-stringer, why activate him?

Gratton got hurt in fall camp that year. They actually did need Jabin to play. And he was a second stringer. What exactly did Kazmerizak and Buckles do, besides being on the roster, to make you think we had great depth at wideout? Sambrano played as a Freshman and played well when he was called upon.

"At best 3rd string". :lol: he was the #5 wideout.......at worst

WR was probably the biggest need position on the whole team that year, what are you talking about? "no stretch of the imagination"

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Geez, no sense in getting bend out of shape, there, d-u-d-e. From what I noticed, as I mentioned the TE situation as well, as emphasis, was that there were at least seven viable individuals that shown that they were pretty decent pass receivers: Ferriter-Mariani-Palmer-Schulte-Klaboe-Beaudin-Pfahler.

I didn't mention that Buckles and/or Kazmierczak even played that year, just that they redshirted. But on double-checking the 2008 statistics and it jogging my memory file Kazmierczak did indeed play in ten games with two receptions for 35 yards. There was even a player by the name of Riggs, also, if not mistaken. That's seven WRs (Ferriter-Mariani-Palmer-Shulte-Kazmierczak-Riggs-Sambrano) with three TEs and one H-Back there. But with the way the offense was structured there were times when two TEs played at the same time; seemingly most of the time, in fact. Especially when there were such capable TEs as Beaudin and Pfahler. Good for blocking purposes, I guess. That would leave only two wideouts left in the offensive scheme beyond the five-man offensive line, a RB and/or H-Back, and the QB. That situation made "fifth" reciever a third-stringer. They can only play eleven players per side, you know, though some teams seem to fudge it a little every now and then.
I personally deem that the TEs that the Griz had that year were under utilized. For instance, even though Pfahler was the third leading receiver, he had but 24 receptions for 282 yards and only 1 TD over 14 games. Beaudin only had 14 rec. for 131 yds for 1 TD over 12 games played. Overton 2 rec. for 10 yds in 11 games. That's ten players (including Sambrano) catching passes, not including the RBs. That's a pretty good number as far as I'm concerned. The depth, if I ever inferred it to begin with, was with the number of players that were available for the offense, not including RBs, that year. Which, to me, granted, seems more so than most other seasons, except one, in the past twenty to twenty-five years.

That one other year that I can think of that had as much depth, O.K., number of players suiting up, let's say, comparable to 2008 would be 2004 when there was: Bagley, Talmage, Costanzo, Dwyer, Tate Hancock, Segars, Troxel and J. Heidelberger; with Simpson and Walden as TEs. That's ten players right there, not including RBs that have at various times caught a pass as well and can legally be counted as a pass receiver, if you can get the drift, that is.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Hilarious that you consider tight ends and wide receivers as the same "position" "pass catchers". That's like me saying we have great depth at corner this year because we have a lot of good safties. They are all defensive backs right? They needed Jabin and you are mentioning three guys that hardly even played and all of them ended up leaving the team for some reason. I agree in some cases redshirts have been "burned" for not very good reasons but Jabins certainly wasn't one of them. The Griz needed him that year even if it was a small role. Does it suck for him, That he only had, what, five catches? Yes. But he is competing for a spot on the Indianapolis Colts now, everything turned out fine for him and his willingness and readiness to play as a true freshman helped that team to a conference title.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

No, I don't consider TEs and WRs as the same position. In fact, like most sicko Griz fans on this site you're just arguing just to hear yourself argue. Trying to pick fights since you can hide behind the success of your football teams over the past so many years and you're struting your stuff just for the hell of it.

It's the same lack of proper sportsmanship as has been exhibited by Griz so-called "fans" in the past; like in the Griz playing Furman in the National Championship. Griz fans storming the field and tearing down the goal posts even before the game is "officially" over. No respect for the "game," no respect for the other team, no respect for anything, in fact; just a bunch of dunken drugged out lowlifes that haven't anything else better to do with themselves but showing how crass they all are since they can never all come together and agree on any one item as fans in mutual support for the object of their supposed allegience; this in place of a posible curtailment of such programs that looms in the perhaps not too distant future due to economic situations, like with what happened to Hofstra and Northeastern. You don't have the "Richest Hill on Earth," anymore, d-u-d-e. So lighten up. Find something to agree on, and then if you have something to point out and/or disagree about, then mention that. With a firm basis predicated on the preceeding agreement to maintain a civilized discussion. But that seems to be a problem with a lot a white people these days; if not historically.

Stupidity is a matter of a lack of intelligence, maliciousness is a matter of the "will."

 

[uofmman1122]

No, I don't consider TEs and WRs as the same position. In fact, like most sicko Griz fans on this site you're just arguing just to hear yourself argue. Trying to pick fights since you can hide behind the success of your football teams over the past so many years and you're struting your stuff just for the hell of it.

It's the same lack of proper sportsmanship as has been exhibited by Griz so-called "fans" in the past; like in the Griz playing Furman in the National Championship. Griz fans storming the field and tearing down the goal posts even before the game is "officially" over. No respect for the "game," no respect for the other team, no respect for anything, in fact; just a bunch of dunken drugged out lowlifes that haven't anything else better to do with themselves but showing how crass they all are since they can never all come together and agree on any one item as fans in mutual support for the object of their supposed allegience; this in place of a posible curtailment of such programs that looms in the perhaps not too distant future due to economic situations, like with what happened to Hofstra and Northeastern. You don't have the "Richest Hill on Earth," anymore, d-u-d-e. So lighten up. Find something to agree on, and then if you have something to point out and/or disagree about, then mention that. With a firm basis predicated on the preceeding agreement to maintain a civilized discussion. But that seems to be a problem with a lot a white people these days; if not historically.

Stupidity is a matter of a lack of intelligence, maliciousness is a matter of the "will."

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What the fuck are you talking about?

If anything is a perfect representation of the problems of eGriz, it's people who go off the deep end, ranting pointlessly about a bunch of nonsense all because someone disagreed with them.

Good. Lord. :roll: :lol:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Hilarious that you consider tight ends and wide receivers as the same "position" "pass catchers". That's like me saying we have great depth at corner this year because we have a lot of good safties. They are all defensive backs right? They needed Jabin and you are mentioning three guys that hardly even played and all of them ended up leaving the team for some reason. I agree in some cases redshirts have been "burned" for not very good reasons but Jabins certainly wasn't one of them. The Griz needed him that year even if it was a small role. Does it suck for him, That he only had, what, five catches? Yes. But he is competing for a spot on the Indianapolis Colts now, everything turned out fine for him and his willingness and readiness to play as a true freshman helped that team to a conference title.

Most people would condsider 5 catches in 10 games (avg 0.5 a game, so not even a catch) to be a burn true freshman season.

Jabin would also have a better chance of making the Colts with another year at Montana as well, getting more reps and perhaps improving physically. Showing up at an NFL camp younger physically and less experienced than most is not an advantage, especially for an un-drafted player. .

 

[Growler1]

Hilarious that you consider tight ends and wide receivers as the same "position" "pass catchers". That's like me saying we have great depth at corner this year because we have a lot of good safties. They are all defensive backs right? They needed Jabin and you are mentioning three guys that hardly even played and all of them ended up leaving the team for some reason. I agree in some cases redshirts have been "burned" for not very good reasons but Jabins certainly wasn't one of them. The Griz needed him that year even if it was a small role. Does it suck for him, That he only had, what, five catches? Yes. But he is competing for a spot on the Indianapolis Colts now, everything turned out fine for him and his willingness and readiness to play as a true freshman helped that team to a conference title.

You argument is lame. They "needed him" as a frosh? I don't think so. 5 catches is all I need to know. Can you imagine how much of a weapon Jabin would be as a 5th year senior this fall?

 

[grizindabox]

Hilarious that you consider tight ends and wide receivers as the same "position" "pass catchers". That's like me saying we have great depth at corner this year because we have a lot of good safties. They are all defensive backs right? They needed Jabin and you are mentioning three guys that hardly even played and all of them ended up leaving the team for some reason. I agree in some cases redshirts have been "burned" for not very good reasons but Jabins certainly wasn't one of them. The Griz needed him that year even if it was a small role. Does it suck for him, That he only had, what, five catches? Yes. But he is competing for a spot on the Indianapolis Colts now, everything turned out fine for him and his willingness and readiness to play as a true freshman helped that team to a conference title.

You argument is lame. They "needed him" as a frosh? I don't think so. 5 catches is all I need to know. Can you imagine how much of a weapon Jabin would be as a 5th year senior this fall?

For all you know he could have blown a knee on the very first offensive play and been done. Growler, you are making a lot of assumptions on what could happen, thought I would make one also.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Hilarious that you consider tight ends and wide receivers as the same "position" "pass catchers". That's like me saying we have great depth at corner this year because we have a lot of good safties. They are all defensive backs right? They needed Jabin and you are mentioning three guys that hardly even played and all of them ended up leaving the team for some reason. I agree in some cases redshirts have been "burned" for not very good reasons but Jabins certainly wasn't one of them. The Griz needed him that year even if it was a small role. Does it suck for him, That he only had, what, five catches? Yes. But he is competing for a spot on the Indianapolis Colts now, everything turned out fine for him and his willingness and readiness to play as a true freshman helped that team to a conference title.

You argument is lame. They "needed him" as a frosh? I don't think so. 5 catches is all I need to know. Can you imagine how much of a weapon Jabin would be as a 5th year senior this fall?

Yeah we should have just played Bryan Riggs or Kazmierazak as our 5th guy :roll: :roll:

The Griz were incredibly thin at WR that year. You have to get guys game experience if there are injuries or whatever else. He was the #5 WR. You can't go through a season with just 4 capable guys, that's insane.