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What's next for Harbaugh and Toreros?

Grizbacker1

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What's next for Harbaugh and Toreros?
By Bill Center
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
November 11, 2006

During the 50th anniversary season of USD football, the Toreros are facing a question nearly as old as the program itself:

Where do they go from here?

At 9-0, USD is off to its best start. Going into tonight's sold-out final home game of the season against Dayton, the Toreros, who are riding a 17-game winning streak, rank 15th in the nation in Division I-AA and hope to land a berth in the I-AA playoffs.

Honors: Three USD players were named to the ESPN the Magazine Academic All-District VIII Team: senior linebacker Kyson Hawkins of Fallbrook, junior wide receiver Wes Doyle of Phoenix and sophomore defensive back Patrick O'Neill of Mission Viejo.

And USD is ranked the No. 1 “midmajor” in the land. Which raises the question: What's a midmajor? No. 2 is Monmouth. No. 3 is Drake. Not exactly the household definition of “major” powers.

Clearly, USD has again become what was once defined as a “small college” power. Just as clearly, head coach Jim Harbaugh's Toreros are overachieving at that level.

USD is a nonscholarship program operating out of one of the priciest private universities in the West.

Should the Toreros receive a playoff berth, they likely would be the only team in the 16-team tournament not supported by scholarships. Most of their rivals will be handing out the maximum allotment of 63.

The Toreros are a Cinderella story – with punch.

Junior quarterback Josh Johnson is said to be a major-college talent with pro potential. But Johnson isn't the only talented player on the team.

The Toreros' heights and weights might not be up to major-college standards, but the drive of such players as defensive end Eric Bakhtiari, center Jordan Paopao, running back JT Rogan and linebacker Kyson Hawkins certainly is.

Plus, Harbaugh has put together a coaching staff worthy of a much bigger power. Defensive coordinator Dave Adolph, for example, has 21 years' experience in the NFL.

“It's no fluke,” Harbaugh says when asked about the Toreros' success. “We've worked hard.

“Our coaches have done a great job finding and teaching players. And our players have accepted the challenges we've put before them. Only one or two players from every high school across the land get scholarships.

“But there are a lot more players on those teams who can play the game. Those are our players. That's our success. I won't be the coach who says that guy won't fit our system because of size and speed. Give me character and toughness.”
And give USD players who will perform for nothing.

Even most nonscholarship programs find ways to support student-athletes through need-based scholarships – which is the model for the Pioneer Football League, of which USD is a member. But USD's guidelines are more restrictive than most.

“We search for ways to support our players,” Harbaugh acknowledged. “We've become pretty good at finding different forms of financial aid from hometown scholarships to Cal-grants to need-based aid to summer jobs.”

Local businesses have come to USD's aid. During the offseason, USD football players can be found working everything from construction to security at Mission Valley hotels to building pallets at local beverage distributorships.

“To play at USD, you really want to be here,” said Harbaugh. “Some would see that as a disadvantage. You find a way. We recruit to our strengths . . . smart kids who like contact and work.”

Last season, 39 USD players carried at least a 3.0 grade-point average (on a 4.0 scale) during the fall semester. Ten Toreros made the Pioneer League's All-Academic team. The 21 starters on this year's team who played last year had an average GPA of 3.15. And football players last year took home three of the four academic awards presented annually by the athletic department.

“Needless to say, we're proud of our football program both on and off the field,” said USD Athletic Director Ky Snyder. “There's a tremendous reward just being around what's going on. There's a passion. It's fun. The campus is excited. This is a peer group that's succeeding.”

Yet, Snyder knows the Toreros continue to face an uphill haul – again raising the question of where the Toreros go from here.

Is the program sustainable at its present level without a future scholarship commitment? Certainly, Harbaugh would like to see more financial support for his players.

“I'd love to see some scholarships,” he said. “I'm not talking the full 63. Even if we had some to spread among our players, it would make a difference. We have a unique spot here. Players want to come.”

And what happens if Harbaugh leaves? With a 27-5 record nearing the end of his third season, it's only a matter of time before the former NFL quarterback starts drawing offers from bigger programs.

“When I took this job, there was a vision, a plan,” said Harbaugh. “I didn't know where all the speed bumps were. A lot of people didn't even know we had football. Now we've got games on radio and TV. We're looking to get a band. Ticket sales have improved. Our success has us on the move.”

But the sky is not the limit.

Don't look for USD to start giving out scholarships or bolting the far-flung PFL for something more regional and competitive such as the Division I-AA Great West Conference.

“We are starting to schedule stronger to test ourselves,” said Snyder. “And we want to win on a regular basis. But we are a good philosophical fit with other members of the Pioneer League. Any upgrades we make will come inside parameters that we know work for our institution.”

For example, any savings USD would gain from eliminating its four or five cross-country trips each season as a member of the PFL would fund fewer than a third of the scholarships needed to compete in the Great West – which includes schools such as South Dakota, Southern Utah and Montana.

“The questions about our options are difficult,” Snyder acknowledged.

And they are not new to USD. The champions of the Pioneer League were once themselves the Pioneers. Fifty years ago, USD, then called the Pioneers, had high hopes for its fledgling football program.

USD's first football game in 1956 was also the first game played by the Air Force Academy. A year later, coach Bob McCutcheon arrived at Alcala Park aiming to turn USD into “the Notre Dame of the West.”

Don't laugh.

USD quickly became a small-school power under McCutcheon. The 1957-58 teams went 14-5. Quarterback Vern Valdez played in the NFL. Running back Bobby Keyes played in the AFL. Three other players went to pro training camps.

The Pioneers were superior to pre-Don Coryell San Diego State. The Aztecs in fact, rejected an offer to play USD.

After the 1958 season, however, USD downgraded its plans after a review of budget overruns. Three seasons later, the university dropped football.

Four seasons after USD returned as a club program in 1969, head coach Andy Vinci came up with a novel idea to fund football, using annuities and lodging players in local hotels. Vinci departed after two seasons.

But USD continued on as a small-college program until the early 1990s, when the NCAA ruled that universities competing in Division I in basketball also had to be Division I in football if they had a program.

USD faced the choice of dropping football or upgrading. It selected the middle road of competing in the nonscholarship, I-AA PFL.

“There is a reason we're where we are,” said Snyder.

The pond is small. But the fishing is still satisfying.
 
I like how that writer said that Montana was in the Great West.

I also like how USD's claim to fame is that it's one of the most expensive colleges in the country. It's a really crappy school when you consider how much it costs to go there.

I've been there, I know kids that went there, I even thought about going there until I realized that it's just a bunch of stupid rich kids with no intentions of ever working. The 3 girls that I knew that went to USD still don't have real jobs and they graduated in 2002.

I really hope that they make the playoffs and get sent to Wash-Griz.
 
For example, any savings USD would gain from eliminating its four or five cross-country trips each season as a member of the PFL would fund fewer than a third of the scholarships needed to compete in the Great West – which includes schools such as South Dakota, Southern Utah and Montana.

got a kick out of that too!!! :laugh:

San Diego should be proud of their success but that does not mean that they can't schedule a Big Sky or Great West team in OOC. They should get left out of the playoffs because of their SOS.
 
CatzWillRise said:
I hope that they get excluded, and then get whooped by UC-Davis. Then their fans on AGS would shut up, just maybe.

They probably should get left out, but probably won't. Jim Harbaugh taking the program from nothing to where it is makes a nice little story nationally. ESPN was all over it. There are no stories on ESPN involving Appalachian State's season though. :twocents:
 
So if they get chosen for the playoffs, they would just cancel their game with UC Davis? If they get in, I don't see either MSU or PSU making it. They would get sent to Missoula where the Griz would beat up on them. I don't doubt that they have some good players especially their QB, but the overall talent and physicality of the Griz would overwhelm the "mighty Terreros."
 
I'd like them to get selected for the play-offs, and then get soundly beaten by whoever they play -- and find out what it REALLY means to be a I-AA midmajor. It should be a rude awakening for them.
 
Kodiak said:
So if they get chosen for the playoffs, they would just cancel their game with UC Davis? If they get in, I don't see either MSU or PSU making it. They would get sent to Missoula where the Griz would beat up on them. I don't doubt that they have some good players especially their QB, but the overall talent and physicality of the Griz would overwhelm the "mighty Terreros."

If, and it is a HUGE if, the cats or psu got in, they would not be playing the Griz in the 1st round. The committee no longer puts teams in same conference in 1st round matchups.
 
Grizbacker1 said:
Kodiak said:
So if they get chosen for the playoffs, they would just cancel their game with UC Davis? If they get in, I don't see either MSU or PSU making it. They would get sent to Missoula where the Griz would beat up on them. I don't doubt that they have some good players especially their QB, but the overall talent and physicality of the Griz would overwhelm the "mighty Terreros."

If, and it is a HUGE if, the cats or psu got in, they would not be playing the Griz in the 1st round. The committee no longer puts teams in same conference in 1st round matchups.


I was referring to San Diego coming to Missoula in the first round. Guess that wasn't clear. MSU or PSU would come to Missoula in the second round were they to win a first round game. I'd rather have an east coast or midwest team come out to visit Missoula in the second round. PSU and MSU are too familiar and the second game of the year usually benefits the team that lost the first time. If USD comes to Missoula it will be an easy W in the first round for the Griz.
 
Kodiak said:
Grizbacker1 said:
Kodiak said:
So if they get chosen for the playoffs, they would just cancel their game with UC Davis? If they get in, I don't see either MSU or PSU making it. They would get sent to Missoula where the Griz would beat up on them. I don't doubt that they have some good players especially their QB, but the overall talent and physicality of the Griz would overwhelm the "mighty Terreros."

If, and it is a HUGE if, the cats or psu got in, they would not be playing the Griz in the 1st round. The committee no longer puts teams in same conference in 1st round matchups.


I was referring to San Diego coming to Missoula in the first round. Guess that wasn't clear. MSU or PSU would come to Missoula in the second round were they to win a first round game. I'd rather have an east coast or midwest team come out to visit Missoula in the second round. PSU and MSU are too familiar and the second game of the year usually benefits the team that lost the first time. If USD comes to Missoula it will be an easy W in the first round for the Griz.

I read your post again, and I missed it. sorry about that. I would love to see Harbaugh come to Missoula. I don't think the kitties are going to be doing anything except eating turkey next week, and watching on TV. PSU has a shot I think. They played a better schedule than msu, beat a 1A team which negates the cats win over CU, and they didn't get kicked by Chadron at home. :twocents:
 
If the Toreros make the playoffs they will deserve it. Any team that plays them will have their secondary tested.

San Diego is a media city for sports. Fans here love their Chargers and Padres. They also have a love affair with the Toreros in football and SDSU in basketball. The Toreros play with a lot of heart & determination and are just starting to get recognized in the media for their achievements. Unlike the Grizz in Missoula the Toreros have to fight for media attention in San Diego. Winning always makes that job easier.
 
SoCal Surfer said:
If the Toreros make the playoffs they will deserve it. Any team that plays them will have their secondary tested.

San Diego is a media city for sports. Fans here love their Chargers and Padres. They also have a love affair with the Toreros in football and SDSU in basketball. The Toreros play with a lot of heart & determination and are just starting to get recognized in the media for their achievements. Unlike the Grizz in Missoula the Toreros have to fight for media attention in San Diego. Winning always makes that job easier.

Nice record and such, but I am not sure sure Love Affair is the choice of words I would use since the home attendance doesn't reflect it.

Azuza Pacific 4467

Dixie State 3204

Butler 4132

Valpo 4114

Morehead St 2609
 
Grizbacker,

USD only has a max capacity for 6,000 +/-. That includes their most recent $3.5M renovations. The stadium is not like the UOM. It doesn't command the aura of the Grizz stadium in Montana.

With the weather being so good down in SoCal there is significant competition for things to do (surfing, volleyball on the beach, deep sea fishing, etc.) many of the student body are on the beach, in the mountains or in the desert. Last week the average temperature was 90 degrees. IMHO, the attendance at USD is pretty good for this area.

I agree with most on this board that the Toreros would get beat by many upper echelon schools in the I-AA. However, I believe they will give the upper echelon I-AA schools a good fight. I would love to see my alma mater manhandle the Toreros as a 1st round playoff opponent.
 
SoCal Surfer said:
Grizbacker,

USD only has a max capacity for 6,000 +/-. That includes their most recent $3.5M renovations. The stadium is not like the UOM. It doesn't command the aura of the Grizz stadium in Montana.

With the weather being so good down in SoCal there is significant competition for things to do (surfing, volleyball on the beach, deep sea fishing, etc.) many of the student body are on the beach, in the mountains or in the desert. Last week the average temperature was 90 degrees. IMHO, the attendance at USD is pretty good for this area.

I agree with most on this board that the Toreros would get beat by many upper echelon schools in the I-AA. However, I believe they will give the upper echelon I-AA schools a good fight. I would love to see my alma mater manhandle the Toreros as a 1st round playoff opponent.

Don't get me wrong, I love that area. Perfect weather, great scenery, lots to do, but there are also a ton of people so they really should be selling out with that record. :twocents:
 
Grizbacker,

The reasons I provided you illustrate why LA doesn't have a professional football team today.

I could spend a long post telling you the available activities for someone/family to do in San Diego. Unless you live here one doesn't realize the many things to do.

BTW, thanks for your game day posts. I didn't get Big Sky TV the past 2 weeks and relied on this chat room for some great posts.
 
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