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What teams should drop a division?

I was unaware that the level a school played at was based strictly on attendance at games. I thought it was about the level of competitiveness that a team could put on the field.

So if this is the case, Montana and Montana State and North Dakota State would be about the only schools west of the Mississippi River that were FCS qualified. Good luck with that travel schedule!

Those of you that think this way really need to pull your heads from beneath the sand...
 
ewueagle2010 said:
I was unaware that the level a school played at was based strictly on attendance at games. I thought it was about the level of competitiveness that a team could put on the field.

So if this is the case, Montana and Montana State and North Dakota State would be about the only schools west of the Mississippi River that were FCS qualified. Good luck with that travel schedule!

Those of you that think this way really need to pull your heads from beneath the sand...
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Nooooooooot really. I think you're looking at it ass-backwards. Montana, NDSU (and to a lesser degree MSU) play at (or could play at with a little lift and 22 extra schollies) a level equivalent with Washington State, Idaho, Utah State, Colorado State, Wyoming, Air Force Academy, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Nevada, San Jose State, San Diego State, Fresno State, etc., etc.

THAT doesn't sound like too bad of a travel schedule to me. :thumb:
 
ewueagle2010 said:
I was unaware that the level a school played at was based strictly on attendance at games. I thought it was about the level of competitiveness that a team could put on the field.

So if this is the case, Montana and Montana State and North Dakota State would be about the only schools west of the Mississippi River that were FCS qualified. Good luck with that travel schedule!

Those of you that think this way really need to pull your heads from beneath the sand...
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Let's see; you think its all about competitiveness and not about money - and you think we're the ones with heads in the sand?

There was an argument based on competitiveness posted earlier (BSC records against UM the last 20 years); possibly your denial obscured that one. Pretty much the same story....
 
Fellas... Its not really about dropping down for most teams.. Its about being left behind by the Money hungry Heavy Weights!
 
Of course money plays a role, but attendance was something that was being made out to be the deciding factor, IMO. Plus I thought the conversation was about which teams should drop a division, not move up..

If Montana wants to move up, then great, more power to them. I think it would be stupid to give up something good. They'd NEVER, EVER win a National Championship at the FBS level and they'd rarely win conference titles. Just because you have extra scholarships to give out, doesn't mean you're going to get the best players to attend U of M. Kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools. The same thing happened to Idaho and now look at them.
 
ewueagle2010 said:
Of course money plays a role, but attendance was something that was being made out to be the deciding factor, IMO. Plus I thought the conversation was about which teams should drop a division, not move up..

If Montana wants to move up, then great, more power to them. I think it would be stupid to give up something good. They'd NEVER, EVER win a National Championship at the FBS level and they'd rarely win conference titles. Just because you have extra scholarships to give out, doesn't mean you're going to get the best players to attend U of M. Kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools. The same thing happened to Idaho and now look at them.
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Missoula, MT and Moscow are not even close to the same. Missoula is a much more attractive college town than a lot of Mountain West and WAC schools.
 
ewueagle2010 said:
Of course money plays a role, but attendance was something that was being made out to be the deciding factor, IMO. Plus I thought the conversation was about which teams should drop a division, not move up..

If Montana wants to move up, then great, more power to them. I think it would be stupid to give up something good. They'd NEVER, EVER win a National Championship at the FBS level and they'd rarely win conference titles. Just because you have extra scholarships to give out, doesn't mean you're going to get the best players to attend U of M. Kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools. The same thing happened to Idaho and now look at them.
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You're talking about Idaho here... I gaurantee you that we would win a conference title within a few years after joining a conference like WAC or Mountain West..... 8-)
 
ewueagle2010 said:
Of course money plays a role, but attendance was something that was being made out to be the deciding factor, IMO. Plus I thought the conversation was about which teams should drop a division, not move up..

If Montana wants to move up, then great, more power to them. I think it would be stupid to give up something good. They'd NEVER, EVER win a National Championship at the FBS level and they'd rarely win conference titles. Just because you have extra scholarships to give out, doesn't mean you're going to get the best players to attend U of M. Kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools. The same thing happened to Idaho and now look at them.
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I dont think if Montana moved up that they would end up being just like Idaho, Montana has better facilities hands down, they have a larger more dedicated fanbase. I think they could be pretty competetive in the Mtn West, but thier National Title dreams would cease to exist. With this 4 team playoff for the BCS, they are not going to be inviting Mtn West teams over B12, B10, P12 or SEC teams, And those teams are gonna start avoiding scheduling the lower teams so they can get a better strength of schedules, this "playoff" sure doesnt help the teams not in the Big 12, Big 10, SEC or Pac 12
 
WILDCATFAN said:
ewueagle2010 said:
Of course money plays a role, but attendance was something that was being made out to be the deciding factor, IMO. Plus I thought the conversation was about which teams should drop a division, not move up..

If Montana wants to move up, then great, more power to them. I think it would be stupid to give up something good. They'd NEVER, EVER win a National Championship at the FBS level and they'd rarely win conference titles. Just because you have extra scholarships to give out, doesn't mean you're going to get the best players to attend U of M. Kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools. The same thing happened to Idaho and now look at them.
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I dont think if Montana moved up that they would end up being just like Idaho, Montana has better facilities hands down, they have a larger more dedicated fanbase. I think they could be pretty competetive in the Mtn West, but thier National Title dreams would cease to exist. With this 4 team playoff for the BCS, they are not going to be inviting Mtn West teams over B12, B10, P12 or SEC teams, And those teams are gonna start avoiding scheduling the lower teams so they can get a better strength of schedules, this "playoff" sure doesnt help the teams not in the Big 12, Big 10, SEC or Pac 12
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The winners of those 4 conferences will be chosen for the playoffs too..
 
ewueagle2010 said:
Of course money plays a role, but attendance was something that was being made out to be the deciding factor, IMO. Plus I thought the conversation was about which teams should drop a division, not move up..

If Montana wants to move up, then great, more power to them. I think it would be stupid to give up something good. They'd NEVER, EVER win a National Championship at the FBS level and they'd rarely win conference titles. Just because you have extra scholarships to give out, doesn't mean you're going to get the best players to attend U of M. Kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools. The same thing happened to Idaho and now look at them.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Have you SEEN some of the shitholes where FBS schools reside? And yet, somehow, they manage to draw the "best players" to those towns...

Missoula is >>>>>>>>> Lincoln, NB, Pullman, WA, Laramie, WY, Moscow, ID, Albuquerque, NM, El Paso, TX, Las Cruces, NM, Norman or Tulsa, OK, Iowa City, IA, Starkville, MS, Oxford, MS....and the list goes on and on. And yes, I've been to every one of those towns...

I'm not saying EVERY recruit would choose Missoula over those locations, but to state unequivocally that "kids aren't going to choose Missoula, MT over other schools" is flat out wrong. Now, it probably IS true when you're speaking about Cheney, WA. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
 
Ahhh yes, there it is! I was waiting for the "better than Cheney" comment!! However, I'm not at all saying EWU should move up. I like FCS level because I like having a chance of winning the National Title. And just for the record, Cheney isn't that bad at all. You're 20 minutes from Washington's second biggest city... aka 4x's the size of Missoula.

Missoula is better than many FBS towns, no doubt. BUT the town itself is not the entire basis of a college age kids decision. Is a recruit going to pick Montana over Oklahoma, Nebraska, or Ole Miss!?!? Absolutely not!! I do believe that U of M would be more successful than Idaho and could eventually compete for a Mountain West or WAC title in a few years, but most of those teams suck. Why would you only want that for your team?
 
ewueagle2010 said:
Ahhh yes, there it is! I was waiting for the "better than Cheney" comment!! However, I'm not at all saying EWU should move up. I like FCS level because I like having a chance of winning the National Title. And just for the record, Cheney isn't that bad at all. You're 20 minutes from Washington's second biggest city... aka 4x's the size of Missoula.

Missoula is better than many FBS towns, no doubt. BUT the town itself is not the entire basis of a college age kids decision. Is a recruit going to pick Montana over Oklahoma, Nebraska, or Ole Miss!?!? Absolutely not!! I do believe that U of M would be more successful than Idaho and could eventually compete for a Mountain West or WAC title in a few years, but most of those teams suck. Why would you only want that for your team?
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a) I've been to Cheney, more times than I care to admit. The comment was made in jest (mostly). 8-)
b) Being 20 minutes from Spokomton is like being 20 minutes from East L.A. It ain't nothing to brag about...if population were everything, Tucson wouldn't be the shithole that IT is...there's nothing worse than a town with an inferiority complex, and Spokomton has that locked DOWN.
c) We already have recruits who've picked Missoula over Moscow, Pullman, San Diego, Colorado Springs, etc....it CAN--and does--happen, with more regularity than you or others might care to admit. Maybe it's a quality of life issue, maybe it's a playing time issue, maybe its a better offer issue (full vs partial, partial vs walkon, etc)...who knows, but it does happen. IF a student had the opportunity to come to Missoula AND be playing at the highest level, it would happen even more. To think otherwise is just foolish.
 
I'd pick Cheney, Spokane and Tucson over Missoula any day without hesitation and I'm from Montana...guess it's all about personal preference!! You can quit acting like Missoula is heaven on earth anytime now... 8-)
 
ewueagle2010 said:
I'd pick Cheney, Spokane and Tucson over Missoula any day without hesitation and I'm from Montana...guess it's all about personal preference!! You can quit acting like Missoula is heaven on earth anytime now... 8-)
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Well, I seriously question your intelligence level then. :| :| :|
 
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