Van Diest Certain to be Fired

[#15 Fan]

For Carroll, all D III and the bottom half D II schools would be their cupcakes.

Look, I understand that Carroll is the cream of the crop when it comes to NAIA and would give the Griz a better game than podunk Western State. But to say that Larry Kehres' program is a "cupcake" for anybody outside of a FBS power conference is quite reckless.

Who? The NAIA ranks right in between the DIII and DII divisions. If Carroll moved up, it'd be to DII. Hell, I remember when Carroll barely lost to Central Washington (in 2001 I think), then the next year beat them while Central was preseason ranked at #3. Central still went to the playoffs that year (I'm almost positive anyways)...and now look at them. They put a Kalispell boy at QB and they make it to the semis! :thumb: I would LOVE to see Carroll in DII, they would take a few years to build, draw some better recruits, and probably win a chipper or two.

You're dreaming. The Grand Valley Sts and the Chadrons would make Carroll look like, well, a Frontier Conf. team. If all you can post is Carroll stuff, why don't you take it to a Carroll forum. This is a Griz board. Getting real tired of the Carroll soap box.

I would bet a LOT of money that Carroll would put up a better fight against Chadron than MSU would. And I mean a LOT of money. I understand what you mean, but when CWU finishes in the top 5, AFTER a loss to Carroll...yea, I think Carroll must be a pretty damn good team.

 

[LincolnDucan]

For Carroll, all D III and the bottom half D II schools would be their cupcakes.

Look, I understand that Carroll is the cream of the crop when it comes to NAIA and would give the Griz a better game than podunk Western State. But to say that Larry Kehres' program is a "cupcake" for anybody outside of a FBS power conference is quite reckless.

Who? The NAIA ranks right in between the DIII and DII divisions. If Carroll moved up, it'd be to DII. Hell, I remember when Carroll barely lost to Central Washington (in 2001 I think), then the next year beat them while Central was preseason ranked at #3. Central still went to the playoffs that year (I'm almost positive anyways)...and now look at them. They put a Kalispell boy at QB and they make it to the semis! :thumb: I would LOVE to see Carroll in DII, they would take a few years to build, draw some better recruits, and probably win a chipper or two.

You're dreaming. The Grand Valley Sts and the Chadrons would make Carroll look like, well, a Frontier Conf. team. If all you can post is Carroll stuff, why don't you take it to a Carroll forum. This is a Griz board. Getting real tired of the Carroll soap box.

This is the Sports Forum, and Carroll is still playing this sport called "football." It's always seemed that there is an affinity between the Griz and the Saints. Oh, and if Carroll were to go DII with Van Diest, he'd kick it into gear just as he did when he took over at Carroll. I just don't see that happening unless some other Frontier schools do the same.

 

[deputygrizbro]

LMAO, can we have a thread longer than 10 responses w/o an arguement? Sadly, I don't think so. :tounge:

Without arguing, without AG2, without DawGriz (recently joined), these boards would be as lame as the Griz offense... oooohhhh, too soon? :thumb:

 

[deputygrizbro]

Look, I understand that Carroll is the cream of the crop when it comes to NAIA and would give the Griz a better game than podunk Western State. But to say that Larry Kehres' program is a "cupcake" for anybody outside of a FBS power conference is quite reckless.

Who? The NAIA ranks right in between the DIII and DII divisions. If Carroll moved up, it'd be to DII. Hell, I remember when Carroll barely lost to Central Washington (in 2001 I think), then the next year beat them while Central was preseason ranked at #3. Central still went to the playoffs that year (I'm almost positive anyways)...and now look at them. They put a Kalispell boy at QB and they make it to the semis! :thumb: I would LOVE to see Carroll in DII, they would take a few years to build, draw some better recruits, and probably win a chipper or two.

You're dreaming. The Grand Valley Sts and the Chadrons would make Carroll look like, well, a Frontier Conf. team. If all you can post is Carroll stuff, why don't you take it to a Carroll forum. This is a Griz board. Getting real tired of the Carroll soap box.

This is the Sports Forum, and Carroll is still playing this sport called "football." It's always seemed that there is an affinity between the Griz and the Saints. Oh, and if Carroll were to go DII with Van Diest, he'd kick it into gear just as he did when he took over at Carroll. I just don't see that happening unless some other Frontier schools do the same.

:clap:

I agree that it would take CC a few years to regain some power in DII, but they are a solid team and moving up only creates more scholarships, more money for teh program, and more room to improve beyond their current dominance. But, like you said, it just wont happen unless other NAIA's in teh state move up too.

And we aren't on a CC soapbox, there is just so much between the two programs that we can't ignore them like you Griz-only fans want to. I, like so many on here, like talking about ALL MONTANA FOOTBALL. And seeing how there's only one MONTANA team still playing, I'd say we could show a little sportsmanship and support and give them a couple weeks of egriz fame? Or do you have more intriguing stories to talk about? If so, please start a new thread, but until then, we're goign to talk about football, ALL MONTANA FOOTBALL. You don't like it, there's this cute little button that reads "ignore" that you can freely press whenever your little heart wants to.

 

[Silvertip]

He also keeps scheduling a lot of cup cakes from the Frontier Conference instead of tougher competition that could get him ready for the playoffs.

Substitute Big Sky Conference for Frontier Conference and you're talking about Bobby Hauck. As for firing Van Diest, his clock management with just under 1:25 until half and the Saints on the Sioux Falls 30 after a blocked punt was maybe the worst I've ever seen. Actually he let about half that time evaporate before the punt. Then, after the partially blocked punt, Barnett staggered around the field seemingly forever when he couldn't find a receiver finally letting himself get tackled inbounds.

...but they won, which is why nobody much remembers MVD's blunder.

 

[SuperHornet]

What are their cupcakes? Local Jr High teams?

For Carroll, all D III and the bottom half D II schools would be their cupcakes.

Look, I understand that Carroll is the cream of the crop when it comes to NAIA and would give the Griz a better game than podunk Western State. But to say that Larry Kehres' program is a "cupcake" for anybody outside of a FBS power conference is quite reckless.

Who? The NAIA ranks right in between the DIII and DII divisions. If Carroll moved up, it'd be to DII. Hell, I remember when Carroll barely lost to Central Washington (in 2001 I think), then the next year beat them while Central was preseason ranked at #3. Central still went to the playoffs that year (I'm almost positive anyways)...and now look at them. They put a Kalispell boy at QB and they make it to the semis! :thumb: I would LOVE to see Carroll in DII, they would take a few years to build, draw some better recruits, and probably win a chipper or two.

I presume you're questioning who Larry Kehres is?

People who know football know that Larry Kehres is one of the mose respected coaches in the country. Just check out how many times he's racked up D-III NCs at Mount Union and how many times he's earned AFCA regional Coach of the Year honors. This guy would be a credit as a coach at any program on any level.

As a perennial national power, Mount Union under Kehres would be NOBODY's cupcake outside of a B(C)$ monster. Whether that applies across D-III is anyone's guess. But Mount Union is a FCS-caliber team in a D-III disguise. One could probably say the same for Grand Valley in D-II over their last few coaches. But Mount Union has racked up a VERY impressive record over 15-20 years. That's nothing to sneeze at, Mr. 15.

 

[#15 Fan]

For Carroll, all D III and the bottom half D II schools would be their cupcakes.

Look, I understand that Carroll is the cream of the crop when it comes to NAIA and would give the Griz a better game than podunk Western State. But to say that Larry Kehres' program is a "cupcake" for anybody outside of a FBS power conference is quite reckless.

Who? The NAIA ranks right in between the DIII and DII divisions. If Carroll moved up, it'd be to DII. Hell, I remember when Carroll barely lost to Central Washington (in 2001 I think), then the next year beat them while Central was preseason ranked at #3. Central still went to the playoffs that year (I'm almost positive anyways)...and now look at them. They put a Kalispell boy at QB and they make it to the semis! :thumb: I would LOVE to see Carroll in DII, they would take a few years to build, draw some better recruits, and probably win a chipper or two.

I presume you're questioning who Larry Kehres is?

People who know football know that Larry Kehres is one of the mose respected coaches in the country. Just check out how many times he's racked up D-III NCs at Mount Union and how many times he's earned AFCA regional Coach of the Year honors. This guy would be a credit as a coach at any program on any level.

As a perennial national power, Mount Union under Kehres would be NOBODY's cupcake outside of a B(C)$ monster. Whether that applies across D-III is anyone's guess. But Mount Union is a FCS-caliber team in a D-III disguise. One could probably say the same for Grand Valley in D-II over their last few coaches. But Mount Union has racked up a VERY impressive record over 15-20 years. That's nothing to sneeze at, Mr. 15.

Though he's slacked as of late, and I haven't checked this in a few years...but I do believe Joe Giglardi (sp?) is still the winningest college football coach. Now, that does include NCAA & NAIA, which I know a lot of people argue that Bowden and JoPa are the winningest coaches. Giglardi coached at Carroll before my parents were even born (I think) and his latest stint was at St. Johns (I think). Haven't heard his name in a few years, so I'm sure he's retired and done by now, but still pretty impressive. As for Kehres, I would say he's probably the next Giglardi if he stays at Mt. Union.

 

[SuperHornet]

That would be correct.

Incidentally, Gagliardi was AFCA D-III/NAIA COY in '03 at St. John's of MN. Kehres was COY many times from '93-present.

The AFCA has announced the regional winners for '07. (NAIA finally got spun off to it's own category last year, it seems.) The overall winner for each category will be announced at the convention in Anaheim in January. (I think you'll find one of the honorees very interesting.)

Football Bowl Subdivision
Region 1: Jeff Jagodzinski, Boston College;
Rich Rodriguez, West Virginia University (tie)
Region 2: Sylvester Croom, Mississippi State University
Region 3: Ron Zook, University of Illinois
Region 4: Mark Mangino, University of Kansas
Region 5: Troy Calhoun, U.S. Air Force Academy

Football Championship Subdivision
Region 1: Dave Clawson, University of Richmond;
Tom Masella, Fordham University (tie)
Region 2: Al Lavan, Delaware State University
Region 3: Danny Hope, Eastern Kentucky University
Region 4: Mark Farley, University of Northern Iowa
Region 5: John Stiegelmeier, South Dakota State University

Division II
Region 1: John Luckhardt, California University of Pennsylvania
Region 2: Chip Hester, Catawba College
Region 3: Chuck Martin, Grand Valley State University
Region 4: Don Carthel, West Texas A&M University
Region 5: Pat Behrns, University of Nebraska-Omaha;
Bill O’Boyle, Chadron State College (tie)

Division III
Region 1: Bob Ritter, Middlebury College
Region 2: Mike Donnelly, Muhlenberg College
Region 3: Pete Fredenburg, University of Mary Hardin-Baylor
Region 4: Larry Kehres, Mount Union College
Region 5: Jeff McMartin, Central College (Iowa)

NAIA
Region 1: Dino Kaklis, Bethel College (Tenn.)
Region 2: Dale Carlson, Ohio Dominican University
Region 3: Paul Troth, Missouri Valley College
Region 4: Kalen DeBoer, University of Sioux Falls
Region 5: Mike Van Diest, Carroll College (Mont.)

 

[dirtysaint]

I played under Coach Petrino my first year and VD the other three. Carroll will never move up to Div II, even though they can tar and feather more than two thirds of the Div II teams. There are simply not enough teams in the area. As for cupcake teams in the Frontier, BS. Sampson, my HS football coach for a year, turned the Northern program around. Tech is always tough even when their record doesn't reflect it. The Frontier doesn't get enough respect because everyone has to play each other twice. I'm of the opinion that a Mon/Dak conference be in place with an East and a West Division.

Carroll didn't play Central Washington in 2001. 9/11 happened the same week and the game was cancelled. The previous two years we were worked by something like 40 points in the first game and in the second we lost by one score.

Hopefully the top post was sarcasm. Only a person who has never played the game could have not liked that Chipper. Cold, mud, rain. That is Eden to a football player from MT.

 

[TheBud]

It was only 10 degrees there...that had to suck!

That is a cool picture. Parden the pun.

It looks like he is encased in ice.