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Upset Guesses, Dec 02

What upsets are possible?

  • Richmond (9-3) at Albany (9-3)

    Votes: 14 14.9%
  • YSU (8-4) at Villanova (9-2)

    Votes: 12 12.8%
  • Chattanooga (8-4) at Furman (9-2)

    Votes: 25 26.6%
  • Sac State (8-4) at South Dakota (9-2)

    Votes: 41 43.6%
  • Mercer (9-3) at SDSU (11-0)

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • NDSU (9-3) at Montana State (8-3)

    Votes: 60 63.8%
  • Delaware (9-3) at Montana (10-1)

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • SIU (8-4) at Idaho (8-3)

    Votes: 16 17.0%

  • Total voters
    94

IdaGriz01

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I considered not doing a poll this time around, but figured it would give us something else to kick around while we wait all week (groan). Those of you who “follow” my guesses polls know that I avoid Big Sky games. That’s because too many people follow their “hates” and “loves” rather than any realistic idea of plausible upsets. But in this case, that would knock out half the games (Yah! :clap: ) … so we’re going with it. As could be expected, almost all the pretenders are gone. I’ve used the season-end STATS.com poll to rate the matchups, not the seeds, BTW. Hardly a surprise that all the favorites – the seeded teams – are higher ranked. To keep it simple, I have not listed their rankings in the poll display; I’ll give those in the commentary.

Two choices are allowed and you can change your votes later if you want to.

Official verification: Bobcats suck!
 
Commentary

The Richmond-Albany games pits #22 versus #9. These two did not play each other during the regular season (being in the most ridiculously unbalanced conference of all). However, they do have four common opponents. I was takin’ aback at first by the Albany record, with 12 games already … until I saw they flew out to Hawaii to lose a money game. That’s one of those odd rules from the NCAA: You can schedule an extra game if you play in Hawaii. (I assume the $$$ was enough extra to cover their flight.) It is a fact that the Great Danes beat all four common opponents more handily than did the Spiders. And Albany is at home. Still, after a slow start, Richmond pretty much obliterated NC Central … they are definitely hot right now. I’d call this a classic “on any given Saturday” case for a possible upset.

The Youngstown State at Villanova game pits #21 versus #6. This will be an interesting test: Can a team that tied for 3rd in the MVFC compete with a co-champion of the CAA? I think so. The Penguins had four ranked MVFC teams on their schedule. Yes, those were three of their four losses (other than Ohio State), but most were close and two could have easily gone the other way. Villanova faced just two ranked CAA teams, one of which they lost. I would rate this near a toss-up, even though ‘Nova is at home.

Chattanooga at Furman pits #18 versus #7. These two played each other during the regular season, and the Paladins won at Chattanooga. However, the final difference was only a FG, and Furman needed a late TD (under 2 minutes) to pull it out. I’d call this another toss-up.

Sacramento State at South Dakota pits #15 versus #3. This is obviously a toughie, with USD much higher ranked and at home. However, we must also consider the context: The Hornets just went into North Dakota and pulled off that upset. They got out to a good early lead, lost that, ground out a final TD to take the lead back, forced a three-and-out, and then managed a clock-killing drive to seal the deal. Pretty damned impressive. I wouldn’t bet against them doing it to USD.

Mercer at South Dakota State pits #17 versus #1. It’s hard to work up any enthusiasm for an upset here. During the regular season, the Bears lost to Furman and Chattanooga (and Ole Miss) while feasting on all the cupcakes on their schedule. In fact, I was surprised to see the SoCon get two at-large bids. But they did, and then the committee gave them pitiful Gardner-Webb (7-4), the auto-bid out the Big South-OVC combine. Congrats on the win, and guess who you get to play? Honestly, I have included it here just for completeness. Still, anyone who thinks there’s an outside chance for a win could pick it … and bask in all kinds of glory if a minor miracle happens.

The NDSU at Montana State game pits #8 versus #5, the closest matchup in terms of their poll rankings. Without going into the details, I’d say they played roughly comparable schedules in terms of opponent strength … and the kitties did better. Oddly enough they do have one significant common opponent: at SDSU. The Bison lost by 17, MSU by just 4. Does that make it a lock for MSU? Nope. NDSU trounced two pretty good opponents to close the regular season (not to mention “doing their duty” against Drake last Saturday). I’d give the cats a slight edge, including the home-field advantage, but that’s about it. (Feel free to disagree. ;) )

The Delaware-Montana game pits #11 versus #2. I’m not going to dwell much on this one. The B-Hens are going to come into WaGriz on a huge high after their confidence-building win. The Griz are coming off a bye week. Need I say more? GO GRIZ!

The Southern Illinois at Idaho games pits #14 versus #4. The Salukis were inconsistent all year after their upset of Northern Illinois. But keep in mind that Northern Illinois, weak as it was, won enough games to get into a bowl game. And all of SIU’s losses were to teams that are in the playoffs. The spuds lost to FBS Cal, the Griz … and at Weber State. This is a game that it seems like Idaho should win, at home, but they better be on top of their game.
 
There’s one that is impossible, some that are possible and a few that seem probable. Should be some good games this round.
 
Evening bump.

Wonder how many truly believe that NDSU will "upset" the kitties, and how many simply can't stand the cats ... and are just hoping. (Doesn't matter, the result's the same.)
 
Wolf777 said:
There’s one that is impossible, some that are possible and a few that seem probable. Should be some good games this round.

I was going to say something very similar to this. SDSU no way they lose. The rest absolutely possible.
 
I'm riding with Sac State for another round. And Richmond. I wanted to pick NDSU but figured I'd try elsewhere. Call it a Sac, Richmond, NDSU parlay.
 
I'll be that idiot, Mercer with a stunner in Brookings! Sac state is tempting, but I think the 'Yotes are for real. NDsu beats the kitties by 5
 
In a game of "Straight up" I'd go with these this week...

Richmond (9-3) at Albany (9-3)

YSU (8-4) at Villanova (9-2)

Chattanooga (8-4) at Furman (9-2)

Sac State (8-4) at South Dakota (9-2)

Mercer (9-3) at SDSU (11-0)

NDSU (9-3) at Montana State (8-3)

Delaware (9-3) at Montana (10-1)

SIU (8-4) at Idaho (8-3)

I'm feeling BSC this week! I do think that MSU wins by 1 at home on a 2 pointer at the end. Griz win, but less than the line with weather a factor possible snow did I hear? That will limit the amount of scoring in general, so they don't cover. (I've picked against the Griz the entire rest of the season after NAU, haven't changed it because they've won. This is my pick against hahaha)
 
When I watched the UND-SAC State game the announcers made several comments about UND not seeing the offensive speed that Sac had.
If that's the case NDSU will have trouble with Montana State as UND put hurt on NDSU, grain of salt, NDSU has been looking better. NDSU's last game is not an indicator
 
SIU - Spuds looks interesting. SIU plays in the FargoDome every other season, so playing in the "Fifteen Minutes of fame dome"
over in Moscow, won't likely be too daunting. If their defense comes to play, this one might be a gem.
 
I looked over some stats and I’m particularly fascinated by the matchup between Youngstown State and Villanova. I rated it a toss-up, based on who they played and the results. Turns out, the numbers (the latest from the NCAA) totally support that notion. Only 0.2 points separate the two in points-per-game (32.5 vs 32.3). Their total offenses differ by just 27.2 YPG (in favor of ‘Nova). Villanova has an edge in rushing yards, but YSU has the better rushing defense. All and all, should be a heck of a game.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
I looked over some stats and I’m particularly fascinated by the matchup between Youngstown State and Villanova. I rated it a toss-up, based on who they played and the results. Turns out, the numbers (the latest from the NCAA) totally support that notion. Only 0.2 points separate the two in points-per-game (32.5 vs 32.3). Their total offenses differ by just 27.2 YPG (in favor of ‘Nova). Villanova has an edge in rushing yards, but YSU has the better rushing defense. All and all, should be a heck of a game.

YSU plays a much tougher schedule IMHO. They should walk in this game.
 
AZGrizFan said:
YSU plays a much tougher schedule IMHO. They should walk in this game.
Yep. I was surprised at the difference in SOS (Sagarin): Villanova 45.3 (#190) versus 51.2 (#157) for YSU.

Still, 'Nova's best win was at #11 Delaware (35-7), while YSU's was at home against #14 Southern Illinois (31-3). With the Wildcats at home, I expect a fairly competitive game.
 
But BUT Nova played Delaware without their 1st and 2nd QB knocked out of the game.

IdaGriz01 said:
AZGrizFan said:
YSU plays a much tougher schedule IMHO. They should walk in this game.
Yep. I was surprised at the difference in SOS (Sagarin): Villanova 45.3 (#190) versus 51.2 (#157) for YSU.

Still, 'Nova's best win was at #11 Delaware (35-7), while YSU's was at home against #14 Southern Illinois (31-3). With the Wildcats at home, I expect a fairly competitive game.
 
New record for votes, and then some.

Throughout the week, the NDSU upset of MSU has captured over a third of the votes. Reality or wishful thinking?
 
Anti Bobcat votes

IdaGriz01 said:
New record for votes, and then some.

Throughout the week, the NDSU upset of MSU has captured over a third of the votes. Reality or wishful thinking?
 
IdaGriz01 said:
New record for votes, and then some.

Throughout the week, the NDSU upset of MSU has captured over a third of the votes. Reality or wishful thinking?

I think the cats win by at least 2 scores.
 
As far as NDSU vs. MSU goes, it's a tough game to call.

I think early in the season when they were struggling, NDSU would absolutely lose this game, but now we're gonna get to see if they've figured things out, or are still the same "middling" NDSU we saw earlier in the year.

If they figured their shit out, I think they can throttle bozeman's one-dimensional offense. If they haven't I could see the cats running all over them (according to bison fans, their run defense isn't good this year).

To me, the scariest team on our entire side of the bracket is an NDSU team that's remembered how to win a championship.
 
One out of three (Chattanooga) is okay, I guess.

However, a Richmond upset gets less and less likely with every passing minute. Had not seen Albany before this, but they look damn good. Youngstown State is not yet in too deep a hole, so a comeback is possible. Obviously, the Chattie-Furman game is too early to judge.
 
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