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UNLV (BH) to PAC 10

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If Utah to PAC 10 qualifies for this forum, so does this topic. Besides, the Sports Forum is dead (check out # of users, right now, or anytime. eGriz needs a Former Griz forum). What brings this on is that some in the Utah thread poo-pooed the idea that UNLV (BH) could be a PAC 10 team. One ridiculous comment was UNLV couldn't because it's a commuter school. Read this article:

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20100212?sub_id=irEpGE4XvQ4N&folio=CGI#pg25

Note that the article does NOT discount UNLV going to the PAC 10. It DOES discount schools like Boise State :o , BYU :o , and Hawaii, as well as Calif. schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, etc. Note, also, the article emphasizes TV revenue as the chief consideration of PAC 10 officials. (So where does "commuter school" fit in here, DJ?) UNLV going to the Pac 10 or anyplace else won't happen until UNLV finishes in the top 3 in the MWC, let alone #1. Now, BH going to a Pac 10 school, that's another matter.

My question is why in heck anyone would want to go from the MWC to the PAC 10? (Ok, my bad: "It's the TV money & a national audience, Stupid!) On the other hand, if the MWC could get AQ status for BCS bowls, that could reduce the desire to move to the PAC 10 (or 12 Pac, as the article has it). The MWC is obviously more competitive than the PAC 10, as recent bowl victories of MWC teams over PAC 10 teams prove.

Another question: Why in heck would UM want to move from one graveyard conference to another graveyard conference (the WAC)? As far as moving to a FBS conference, I still don't think UM has the bucks to do it & should find better competition with other FCS schools.
 
Yes, David2, you are against a move to the WAC, that has been the point of 95% of your posts. I get it, already.

The odds of UNLV going to the Pac-10 are slim to none, for reasons that have already been listed in other threads. But to summarize, no real football tradition, no support, bad facilities, gambling town, bad football team, UNLV not academically up to Pac-10 standards, UNLV wouldn't really give them a market they don't really already have, and UNLV's reputaion as an "outlaw" school that it aquired in the Jerry Tarkanian era.
 
The one thing that stood out to me is he seems a little geographically ignorant. How is Louisville an outlier in the Big East geographically? It's like an hour from Cincinnati. USF is the only outlier. Also he ignores the travel-partner, geographical pairing in the Pac-10. Saying BYU is off the table if Utah gets in because they already secured the SLC market is pretty outlandish. If that's the case then why do they need UCLA if they have USC? Or Cal/Stanford, OU/OSU, UW/WSU, UA/ASU? BYU has had as much success in football and basketball as any non-AQ school over the last X years and would bring a huge fanbase.

Boise, Hawaii, or any of the Cal-State schools are clearly off the table for the Pac-10. I think CU/CSU or Utah/BYU make the most sense. UNLV just lacks any kind of prestige academically or athletically to be considered.
 
David2 said:
If Utah to PAC 10 qualifies for this forum, so does this topic. Besides, the Sports Forum is dead (check out # of users, right now, or anytime. eGriz needs a Former Griz forum). What brings this on is that some in the Utah thread poo-pooed the idea that UNLV (BH) could be a PAC 10 team. One ridiculous comment was UNLV couldn't because it's a commuter school. Read this article:

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20100212?sub_id=irEpGE4XvQ4N&folio=CGI#pg25

Note that the article does NOT discount UNLV going to the PAC 10. It DOES discount schools like Boise State :o , BYU :o , and Hawaii, as well as Calif. schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, etc. Note, also, the article emphasizes TV revenue as the chief consideration of PAC 10 officials. (So where does "commuter school" fit in here, DJ?) UNLV going to the Pac 10 or anyplace else won't happen until UNLV finishes in the top 3 in the MWC, let alone #1. Now, BH going to a Pac 10 school, that's another matter.

My question is why in heck anyone would want to go from the MWC to the PAC 10? (Ok, my bad: "It's the TV money & a national audience, Stupid!) On the other hand, if the MWC could get AQ status for BCS bowls, that could reduce the desire to move to the PAC 10 (or 12 Pac, as the article has it). The MWC is obviously more competitive than the PAC 10, as recent bowl victories of MWC teams over PAC 10 teams prove.

Another question: Why in heck would UM want to move from one graveyard conference to another graveyard conference (the WAC)? As far as moving to a FBS conference, I still don't think UM has the bucks to do it & should find better competition with other FCS schools.
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I don't know what is so difficult for you to grasp here. UNLV is most certainly off the table. This has been spelled out in clear black and white. UNLV is as much off the table to the Pac10 as Hawaii, Fresno, SJSU, etc are. You know what UNLV has in common with SJSU, Fresno, and Sac St? ALL COMMUTER SCHOOLS! These schools also have very little academic prestige. Hmm... UNLV or Stanford/Cal/USC? Tough choice if I want a good academic school. UNLV is barely on the radar in it's own hometown. They averaged 22000 people in attendance this year in a town of over 500,000. Boise St is out because they lack the academic profile to be a Pac 10 school. BYU is out because they can't play on Sunday. Hawaii is out because no one wants the expense of having to travel to Hawaii.

And why wouldn't Montana want to move from "one graveyard conference to another"? Simple, the WAC has a giant TV contract with ESPN worth more than anything we have now. Oh, and the fact there isn't a single Big Sky team that has been able to knock UM off of the top of the mountain over the course of the last 15 years. That's what they call "a big fish in a small pond."
 
Can somebody please pull Hauck out of D2's ASS????????



Dude has Hauck on his mind.....................way to much.
 
I dispute any reason given on this biased board (the Griz) about UNLV not going to the PAC 10.
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By David 2.

If you think you're going to have any intelligent conversation with this closed mind....

Not worth wasting any more time on this obsessed regurgitator who certainly doesn't have the capacity to look at what he's saying ... from the Pac 10 point of view, for one.
 
David2 doesn't seem to understand college football and the various conference affiliations. He constantly refers to our financial situation without having any knowledge of what we can do or may do regarding a possible conference change. Why?
 
David doesn't understand that the PAC-10 and Big 10 conferences are more than just sports. These are schools proud of their academics and want all members to toe that line. He doesn't understand that University presidents make these choices with input from faculty and trustees not athletic directors or fans for a reason.

Do you know what a carnegie foundation research rating is? Hint all PAC 10 schools have the same rating and UNLV is not even in the ball park. Boise can't even see the ballpark.

How about the Members of the Association of American Universities? Hint seven of the PAC -10 members belong to this exclusive club and all Big 10 schools are members.

UNLV offers nothing to the PAC 10 in what they are looking for.

Utah with a Medical school and high Carnegie ranking does

UNLV may ahve a shot at a conference like the Big 12, where academics are less stressed in membership, but not the PAC-10 or BIG-10
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Can somebody please pull Hauck out of D2's ASS???????? Dude has Hauck on his mind.....................way to much.
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I support BH because he's a MT boy, born & bred. I support all MT products, objects & human, in their success beyond MT borders. I'm not as myopic as you, Alfalfa, & not as myopic as so many on this board. I'm proud of what this state produces & you never have heard me slam MT State. In some ways, I'm glad MSU got more MT football recruits, because my pride in the Griz has been in the MT kids it plays & wins, but MSU also has a right to improve with MT players, if that happens.

LakGriz said:
David2 said:
I dispute any reason given on this biased board (the Griz) about UNLV not going to the PAC 10.
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If you think you're going to have any intelligent conversation with this closed mind.... Not worth wasting any more time on this obsessed regurgitator who certainly doesn't have the capacity to look at what he's saying ... from the Pac 10 point of view, for one.
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The usual obfuscating, worthless statements from this guy, who like too many on this board succeeds in his skill at inventing new names to call people he either doesn't understand (more likely) or disagrees with.

Spanky said:
David2 doesn't seem to understand college football and the various conference affiliations.
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I'll admit to my ignorance. As I've said, I'm learning, but nothing from you three has added to my knowledge.

Spanky said:
He constantly refers to our financial situation without having any knowledge of what we can do or may do regarding a possible conference change. Why?
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So, Spanky, you do have the knowledge? All I've done in my thinking is consolidate the statements of other posts & other threads on this board, which, btw, are pretty damned knowledgeable, & have concluded (I could be wrong.) that UM doesn't have the funding to go to the FBS. So, you enlighten me: What can "we do or may do regarding a possible conference change" that others have not already presented?

Posts like you guys bore me to death & take up too much space in a thread. Oh, btw, what thread is this? Ah, yes, it's about UNLV (BH) going to the PAC 10.
 
billings_poke said:
David doesn't understand that the PAC-10 and Big 10 conferences are more than just sports. These are schools proud of their academics and want all members to toe that line. He doesn't understand that University presidents make these choices with input from faculty and trustees not athletic directors or fans for a reason.

Do you know what a carnegie foundation research rating is? Hint all PAC 10 schools have the same rating and UNLV is not even in the ball park. Boise can't even see the ballpark.

How about the Members of the Association of American Universities? Hint seven of the PAC -10 members belong to this exclusive club and all Big 10 schools are members.

UNLV offers nothing to the PAC 10 in what they are looking for.

Utah with a Medical school and high Carnegie ranking does

UNLV may ahve a shot at a conference like the Big 12, where academics are less stressed in membership, but not the PAC-10 or BIG-10
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Thanks, Poke. I'm now thinking that UNLV will have to 1. establish a better athletic position within the MWC, and 2. add research & professional programs that would be acceptable to PAC 10 schools. There is a private dental school, near LV, with which UNLV could partner, for starters. However, if the MWC can get an AQ designation to the BCS bowls, there'd be no need to go to the PAC 10, Big 12, or whatever. Then, UNLV could gain a national presence, provided it's athletic programs are up to snuff. An AQ designation is another story.

I'm interested in UNLV only because BH & staff are running the football program, MT guys, & I want to see them succeed. There's a lot of buzz on the PAC 10 issue on the LV boards & these people may be no more realistic than eGrizzers who believe that within the next 10 years, UM can be an FBS school.

Still, the chief reasons for moving up re: UNLV & UM seem to be based on TV money, that this increased revenue will dominate any conference's thinking, despite protests of the conference otherwise. In this respect, I think the UNLV market is more of an attraction to the PAC 10 than the UM market is to an FBS conference. Anyway, thanks for the info.
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Can somebody please pull Hauck out of D2's ASS????????



Dude has Hauck on his mind.....................way to much.
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Can someone wipe the load off of alphagizz's chin.
 
I just want to thank David2 for posting this thread about UNLV to the PAC 10, in doing so, he forced both this thread and the Utah to PAC 10 thread off of the GRIZ FOOTBALL FCS forum. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Montana is a much more viable school to go to FBS than UNLV to the PAC 10 the conference shuffling that might happen will Make the Mountain West soft. But I could see Bosie Fres, and Reno step in With maybe a Houston. This will leave the WAC light Montana and Maybe somebody else might have to come join us in the Wac and Montana would be competitive in the New Wac. But this is all MO.


Go Vandals
 
It would be great to see Idaho and Montana in the same conference again. We have a lot of shared history all the way back to the Pacific Coast Conference. For those of you like David2 who may not know, we competed at a high level for many years both in the Pacific Coast Conference and the Skyline Conference made up of schools like USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, BYU, Utah, Colorado State, Utah State, just to name a few. So....in a way, David2 and others, we won't be moving up as you state, but we will be moving back where we belong instead.
 
batrack said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Can somebody please pull Hauck out of D2's ASS????????



Dude has Hauck on his mind.....................way to much.
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Can someone wipe the load off of alphagizz's chin.
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Like you wouldnt use your tongue and savor every minute of it.
 
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