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UNC Postgame analysis....The GRIZ confuse me.

mtgrizrule

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Well, just got home from the game, and tired as I can get, but GRIZNATION convinced me to post tonight. I am still on adrenaline from that game.

Anyway, 1st off.........Win or Lose, I was going to mention this. Kudo's to UNC and their fans. Seriously, that was one hell of a basketball atmosphere for a small venue. That team has that community behind it 100%. It was a fun atmosphere. I have never said that about any BSC venue outside of the GRIZ for a long long time. We sat 3 rows behind the GRIZ bench. One of their front row fans was really getting under my skin. They took the lead with a hoop and harm play, he stood up and did some kind of Billy Whiteshoes Johnson gun routine with both hands. I patiently waited and tried staying calm. Soon after they scored on another hoop and harm, their big guy started chest thumping. That did it for me, hell with being quiet as a visitor. He stepped to the line with dead silence. As he was going into his ft shooting motion, I yelled "miss". He look around the crowd to see who in the hell did it, and few UNC fans laughed and a few others gave me evil stares. Next trip to the line was one on one, another FT shooter, I yelled again "you 2 will miss". Sure enough, another player shocked to hear anything from the crowd, and he missed. UNC fans stared me down again, but oh well. I loved it. After the game, a few UNC fans shook my hand and said "Great game, congrats on the win." One even said "Can we recruit you to be our fan on the road?" So thanks to the UNC fans for showing class in the spirit of competition.

On to the game, I was seriously shocked and disappointed Cherry was sitting. I was equally intrigued to see what Stockton could do though, and had no idea what to expect. 1st of all, kudos to the GRIZ for a brilliant opening series set play. Tinkle ran Staudacher through 3 picks to get him an open shot, granted we missed, but I loved they did something right off the bat I had been wanting them to do. As it turned out, the GRIZ finally ran a lot of off ball screens for Stauds, and even a few for Taylor. Some picks were very good, others were not so good. I hope the GRIZ stick to the screens though, because it made a world of difference in Stauds getting just a split second more time to get off his shot, and the results were excellent. Apparently, it looked as if the coaches noticed some the same things mentioned here.

It also looked like a fire was lit under everyone's ass. Every player busted ass and worked hard all game. I can honestly say, "Not one time did I see anyone take a play off on either end of the court." Speaking of busting ass and attitude, Stockton and McGillis are as gritty and annoying as it gets for opponents. These 2 really brought some in your face attitude tonight. Stockton was overly intense, he was called for fouling the shooter a few times, but it was not because of bad defense, it was because he was putting his ass into them for position as soon as the shooter's feet touched the ground. He was damn determined not to let anyone beat him or get the ball back. That kid is all attitude and learned a few tricks from John.

Tinkle said help defense had to improve. Once again, another aspect the team responded to after being challenged by the coaches. There were a few let downs by Qvale and/or Selvig, they were over anticipating the middle cutter, both dunks were backdoor cuts, just like the CATS had done. I am actually impressed we did not get beat more by cutters, because they ran 1, 2, and even 3 (a few times) in their set offense, Qvale got beat 2 times, and Selvig one time. Jack did too, but he gave foul before they could get the ball or shoot. Perimeter defense was much better, except 2 letdowns, for open 3's. One time it was great ball movement by UNC catching in between switches or zone coverage. Another time either Stauds, Taylor, or Stockton lost their man entirely running baseline. I could not see who because Tinkle blocked my point of view.

I have been saying all year, and many of you chimed in that shooting had to get better or consistent. This is a no brainer with this team. If they even shoot average they win, because their defense is that damn good. Tonight the team worked hard to get Stauds looks, and Stauds even took some tightly guarded shots he normally would turn down. It appears to me we may finally be telling him to be a shoot 1st player. He was really looking to shoot it tonight. Taylor was also more ready to shoot, but his opportunities were not there with Stauds on.

AJ was asked to be aggressive again, tonight he was dropping quick shots off one or 2 dribbles, he was driving, and he had the determination not be denied. In a nutshell he was AJ again. :thumb:

We said we needed more contributions from our bigs Qvale, well Selvig was not roaming the perimeter very often. They used him a few times down low, but he was basically 15 feet out from the hoop most the night in most the sets, on both ends of the court. It made a difference, he was fighting for most every rebound. I am guessing he had close to a double double. He turned the ball over more than normal, but UNC just could not match up on him. He also did a good job clogging the paint. He effected many shots, and had 2 blocks I think. Selvig basically did everything I have always thought he could do, and had the most impact of anyone in the game. Selvig even got to the line and looked good shooting FT's. Ward did well on the boards, played good defense, but got real nervous when he got the ball a few times (experience will cure that). Despite Qvale having about as bad a game as he could have, our bigs came through, which was much needed.

AJ finally had good scoring support from Stauds and Selvig. Our role players finally did well. The difference in this game and the turning point though was Will Cherry. Tinkle had no choice but to get his ballhandling into the game. AJ could not do it on his own, Taylor did alright, Stockton was not ready for that kind of pressure in the 2nd half. Cherry came in, and the 1st time he got the ball in fullcourt pressure, he confidently waived his teammates off and signaled them to clear out and head down court. I could not believe that, but loved it. After he came in the game the fullcourt pressure was nothing, rather they played it or not, that was when we made our run, and we missed 4 points when Cherry or AJ went to the basket, dumped to Ward, both times he bobbled the ball and they were turnovers. Had he held onto the ball they were sure baskets or at least FT's.

UNC's guards are quick and pesky as BSC guards get, yet they had no answer for Cherry's ballhandling or his defense. He stole the go ahead basket late and forced them into turnovers from being in their face. Cherry is flatout amazing, and has no fear when it comes to making big plays. He drives to the hole or pulls up with quick jumpers or floaters with ease. He makes defense look easy, and we all know defense is not easy. Taking nothing away from any guard on that court, but Cherry was the best overall guard on that court tonight, and Selvig was by far the best big on the court tonight.

By the way, the GRIZ are not slow!!!!!!!! UNC tried to push the ball many times, and not one time did they beat us down the court. Even our bigs were down there defending. I am not saying we are quick collectively either, but most definitely not slow. I also learned this GRIZ team is one damn good defense, and they are capable of contesting most every shot. 4 or 5 breakdowns over 40 minutes is great defense. Especially with guards and shooters like UNC has.

Overall a great game, and one that I am very proud to have seen in person. The GRIZ are capable of being the best team in the BSC. The question is "Can they finally find the consistency?" I am not worried about the turnovers. We will not face that kind of pressure again in BSC play, and with Cherry available pressing teams should not hurt us. So for me being hard on this team this last week, I give credit when credit is due. That was one impressive GRIZ team tonight with so much potential.

Thanks for the great game both teams. I became an UNC fan tonight too.
 
Great and exciting report. Sounds like it was a great team effort (as well as coaches and one fan). Emphasizing one small but important thing you said, I have been told that Cherry has "no fear". When the game is on the line, the kid is going to find a way to make a big play, actually a series of big plays. It was my impression that "no fear" has come from his background of growing up and playing in Oakland, on the playgrounds and eventually in the big games, as well as certain off the court in certain situations.

Hopefully, the team can find a way to get another one at NAU. NAU is now tied with UM. Had we beaten MSU, I believe we'd be tied for 2nd now. Obviously, we aren't, and still have a big hill to climb. A huge win, anyway you look at it.
 
I left out one thing. I watched Staudacher more than anyone on defense. He was in the UNC guards' jocks all night long. He was where he was supposed to be all night defensively. He played Beitzel (sp?) and "Yosh" (i am tired and cannot remember his name) very tight and well. The only guard on UNC Staudacher could not stay with was Figures ( I love the kids ballhandling), but then again Figures was the responsibility of Cherry, Stockton, and AJ. Speaking of Stockton he got shaked and baked a few times, but for the most part he too stayed with their guards.

For all those thinking Stauds, Stockton, Taylor, and McGillis slow, they are not that slow. I think a few of us label them that because of their backgrounds being smalltown whiteboys.
 
mtgrizrule said:
I left out one thing. I watched Staudacher more than anyone on defense. He was in the UNC guards' jocks all night long. He was where he was supposed to be all night defensively. He played Beitzel (sp?) and "Yosh" (i am tired and cannot remember his name) very tight and well. The only guard on UNC Staudacher could not stay with was Figures ( I love the kids ballhandling), but then again Figures was the responsibility of Cherry, Stockton, and AJ. Speaking of Stockton he got shaked and baked a few times, but for the most part he too stayed with their guards.

For all those thinking Stauds, Stockton, Taylor, and McGillis slow, they are not that slow. I think a few of us label them that because of their backgrounds being smalltown whiteboys.

Those 4 guys are good defenders because they play smart, are usually in good position, are tough, are physical, and they hustle and work hard. This more than offsets for any lack of incredible quickness.
 
thanks mtgrizrule.
it was nice to hear in the post game that they finially ran some plays for Staudacker and then he
nailed the 3's at 75% or better.

a couple of coaching pet peaves...I think Jack should have been in there at the end, instead of ward and
Qvale grabbed a great o rebound off a foal shot late in the 4th quarter..was right under the basket and
then decidied to dribble..why put the ball on the ground?, just go straight up !

I think the Northern Arz game is on dish.. on Saturday.. I plan to root for a road sweep !
 
mtgrizrule said:
Well, just got home from the game, and tired as I can get, but GRIZNATION convinced me to post tonight. I am still on adrenaline from that game.

Anyway, 1st off.........Win or Lose, I was going to mention this. Kudo's to UNC and their fans. Seriously, that was one hell of a basketball atmosphere for a small venue. That team has that community behind it 100%. It was a fun atmosphere. I have never said that about any BSC venue outside of the GRIZ for a long long time. We sat 3 rows behind the GRIZ bench. One of their front row fans was really getting under my skin. They took the lead with a hoop and harm play, he stood up and did some kind of Billy Whiteshoes Johnson gun routine with both hands. I patiently waited and tried staying calm. Soon after they scored on another hoop and harm, their big guy started chest thumping. That did it for me, hell with being quiet as a visitor. He stepped to the line with dead silence. As he was going into his ft shooting motion, I yelled "miss". He look around the crowd to see who in the hell did it, and few UNC fans laughed and a few others gave me evil stares. Next trip to the line was one on one, another FT shooter, I yelled again "you 2 will miss". Sure enough, another player shocked to hear anything from the crowd, and he missed. UNC fans stared me down again, but oh well. I loved it. After the game, a few UNC fans shook my hand and said "Great game, congrats on the win." One even said "Can we recruit you to be our fan on the road?" So thanks to the UNC fans for showing class in the spirit of competition.

On to the game, I was seriously shocked and disappointed Cherry was sitting. I was equally intrigued to see what Stockton could do though, and had no idea what to expect. 1st of all, kudos to the GRIZ for a brilliant opening series set play. Tinkle ran Staudacher through 3 picks to get him an open shot, granted we missed, but I loved they did something right off the bat I had been wanting them to do. As it turned out, the GRIZ finally ran a lot of off ball screens for Stauds, and even a few for Taylor. Some picks were very good, others were not so good. I hope the GRIZ stick to the screens though, because it made a world of difference in Stauds getting just a split second more time to get off his shot, and the results were excellent. Apparently, it looked as if the coaches noticed some the same things mentioned here.

It also looked like a fire was lit under everyone's ass. Every player busted ass and worked hard all game. I can honestly say, "Not one time did I see anyone take a play off on either end of the court." Speaking of busting ass and attitude, Stockton and McGillis are as gritty and annoying as it gets for opponents. These 2 really brought some in your face attitude tonight. Stockton was overly intense, he was called for fouling the shooter a few times, but it was not because of bad defense, it was because he was putting his ass into them for position as soon as the shooter's feet touched the ground. He was damn determined not to let anyone beat him or get the ball back. That kid is all attitude and learned a few tricks from John.

Tinkle said help defense had to improve. Once again, another aspect the team responded to after being challenged by the coaches. There were a few let downs by Qvale and/or Selvig, they were over anticipating the middle cutter, both dunks were backdoor cuts, just like the CATS had done. I am actually impressed we did not get beat more by cutters, because they ran 1, 2, and even 3 (a few times) in their set offense, Qvale got beat 2 times, and Selvig one time. Jack did too, but he gave foul before they could get the ball or shoot. Perimeter defense was much better, except 2 letdowns, for open 3's. One time it was great ball movement by UNC catching in between switches or zone coverage. Another time either Stauds, Taylor, or Stockton lost their man entirely running baseline. I could not see who because Tinkle blocked my point of view.

I have been saying all year, and many of you chimed in that shooting had to get better or consistent. This is a no brainer with this team. If they even shoot average they win, because their defense is that damn good. Tonight the team worked hard to get Stauds looks, and Stauds even took some tightly guarded shots he normally would turn down. It appears to me we may finally be telling him to be a shoot 1st player. He was really looking to shoot it tonight. Taylor was also more ready to shoot, but his opportunities were not there with Stauds on.

AJ was asked to be aggressive again, tonight he was dropping quick shots off one or 2 dribbles, he was driving, and he had the determination not be denied. In a nutshell he was AJ again. :thumb:

We said we needed more contributions from our bigs Qvale, well Selvig was not roaming the perimeter very often. They used him a few times down low, but he was basically 15 feet out from the hoop most the night in most the sets, on both ends of the court. It made a difference, he was fighting for most every rebound. I am guessing he had close to a double double. He turned the ball over more than normal, but UNC just could not match up on him. He also did a good job clogging the paint. He effected many shots, and had 2 blocks I think. Selvig basically did everything I have always thought he could do, and had the most impact of anyone in the game. Selvig even got to the line and looked good shooting FT's. Ward did well on the boards, played good defense, but got real nervous when he got the ball a few times (experience will cure that). Despite Qvale having about as bad a game as he could have, our bigs came through, which was much needed.

AJ finally had good scoring support from Stauds and Selvig. Our role players finally did well. The difference in this game and the turning point though was Will Cherry. Tinkle had no choice but to get his ballhandling into the game. AJ could not do it on his own, Taylor did alright, Stockton was not ready for that kind of pressure in the 2nd half. Cherry came in, and the 1st time he got the ball in fullcourt pressure, he confidently waived his teammates off and signaled them to clear out and head down court. I could not believe that, but loved it. After he came in the game the fullcourt pressure was nothing, rather they played it or not, that was when we made our run, and we missed 4 points when Cherry or AJ went to the basket, dumped to Ward, both times he bobbled the ball and they were turnovers. Had he held onto the ball they were sure baskets or at least FT's.

UNC's guards are quick and pesky as BSC guards get, yet they had no answer for Cherry's ballhandling or his defense. He stole the go ahead basket late and forced them into turnovers from being in their face. Cherry is flatout amazing, and has no fear when it comes to making big plays. He drives to the hole or pulls up with quick jumpers or floaters with ease. He makes defense look easy, and we all know defense is not easy. Taking nothing away from any guard on that court, but Cherry was the best overall guard on that court tonight, and Selvig was by far the best big on the court tonight.

By the way, the GRIZ are not slow!!!!!!!! UNC tried to push the ball many times, and not one time did they beat us down the court. Even our bigs were down there defending. I am not saying we are quick collectively either, but most definitely not slow. I also learned this GRIZ team is one damn good defense, and they are capable of contesting most every shot. 4 or 5 breakdowns over 40 minutes is great defense. Especially with guards and shooters like UNC has.

Overall a great game, and one that I am very proud to have seen in person. The GRIZ are capable of being the best team in the BSC. The question is "Can they finally find the consistency?" I am not worried about the turnovers. We will not face that kind of pressure again in BSC play, and with Cherry available pressing teams should not hurt us. So for me being hard on this team this last week, I give credit when credit is due. That was one impressive GRIZ team tonight with so much potential.

Thanks for the great game both teams. I became an UNC fan tonight too.
nice report....thanks...
 
mtgrizrule said:
I left out one thing. I watched Staudacher more than anyone on defense. He was in the UNC guards' jocks all night long. He was where he was supposed to be all night defensively. He played Beitzel (sp?) and "Yosh" (i am tired and cannot remember his name) very tight and well. The only guard on UNC Staudacher could not stay with was Figures ( I love the kids ballhandling), but then again Figures was the responsibility of Cherry, Stockton, and AJ. Speaking of Stockton he got shaked and baked a few times, but for the most part he too stayed with their guards.

For all those thinking Stauds, Stockton, Taylor, and McGillis slow, they are not that slow. I think a few of us label them that because of their backgrounds being smalltown whiteboys.
I doubt anyone thinks the way you seem to think they do....I believe the GRIZ are considered slow by most who see them is because the style of play not the size of the town nor the race they came from....
 
Whatever the reaons, I did not see a "slow" team. For that matter, Cherry and AJ match up well in terms of skill and quicks with most teams. Hopefully Selvig had his coming out party. He is a tough match up for many teams.

I would hope the UNC game will serve as a confidence boost game. The GRIZ played well.
 
The deciding factor of what good this team is remains consistency. They have the talent on both offense and defense but they need consistency from both the players and the coaches. Time will tell. I am personally rooting for them and hoping they can find what great teams have! The winner of the BSC will be at minimum a 13 seed this year. The conference is finally one to be reckoned with!
 
Awesome report MGR and a great game by all. This sure looked like the team that matched up well with the Pac 10 early in the year and the team that I watched beat Boise. I am confused as well and delighted to be so.
Coaching was great , they shut down the lane after getting killed in Bozo. Stauds got his shot , Selvig looks healthy, hungry and pissed. Stockton is a bull. I loved that. Ward got 4 rebounds in limited minutes and got in position to take that game changing charge. The only question I had was Young, an enigma and I'd be interested in your thoughts. He still looks a bit lost on both ends.
All in all a GREAT road win,, biggest of the year and we had a super fan there to report back to eballers! :clap:
 
bigtyme said:
The winner of the BSC will be at minimum a 13 seed this year.

i love your optimism. and i can't say that you're wrong. but i'll be very surprised if this is the case. one, because our conference is still pretty average, and two, because teams all across the board seem to me more even in the past. i think we're headed for one of the best march madnesses ever in a couple months!
 
Evizzerate said:
Awesome report MGR and a great game by all. This sure looked like the team that matched up well with the Pac 10 early in the year and the team that I watched beat Boise. I am confused as well and delighted to be so.
Coaching was great , they shut down the lane after getting killed in Bozo. Stauds got his shot , Selvig looks healthy, hungry and pissed. Stockton is a bull. I loved that. Ward got 4 rebounds in limited minutes and got in position to take that game changing charge. The only question I had was Young, an enigma and I'd be interested in your thoughts. He still looks a bit lost on both ends.
All in all a GREAT road win,, biggest of the year and we had a super fan there to report back to eballers! :clap:


Hard to say with Young when I cannot experience the GRIZ more often in person or do not know the kid. I do not mind venturing a guess or 2, maybe PR or someone who sees the GRIZ in person more often can answer this better.

I see tons of talent in Young. I have a feeling we will not see his true talent until next year. Why do I say that? Like many JCers his transition is taking awhile. He does not get the minutes to find his game. He lacks the consistency in spot minutes. From the little I have seen he is an excellent man to man defender, but is still struggling in help defense responsibilities, and in Tinkle's scheme that is almost a must.

I feel for Young to be utilized better, maybe we should experiment with him being an isolated defender in box and 1 defense or 1 of 2 man defenders in a 3 man zone. I think part of it is that his game and our style is an awkward match this year. I am guessing he is used to uptempo basketball, and man to man defense. Meanwhile the GRIZ are a 1/2 court set team. Young is 1 reason I have been advocating some pressure or trap defenses. I think with Cherry, AJ, Young, Banny/Jack, and Selvig/Qvale we have the personnel to do it occasionally, with success.

As for this year, with Staudacher and Taylor aboard, I do not see anything more than spot minutes for Young. However, I see Young's minutes picking up next year, in addition to his role. Then again with the talent coming in next year, Young, Stockton, Taylor, and Ward maybe fighting hard with the newcomers for minutes. I am pulling for Young though, he really does have the skills to be a gifted player that is very fun to watch.
 
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