UM under siege from within

[Silvertip]

Wednesday even the tenured lefties assembled in front of Main Hall to protest the "bottom up" policy of making cuts at the faculty level while UM protects its muckety muck high level administrators. Whatever your personal opinion, the university's flagging image is sinking in the same quick sand where MT higher ed officials have parked their collective heads. There are some very competent individual schools, departments and faculty members inside UM, but on the whole the University of Montana has been allowed to become a very average institution - scholastically and athletically.

 

[PlayerRep]

And financially.

 

[RABIDAWG]

OMG - they might even pick on football! What is it? Football or French?
We're on the way to have the biggest Division II stadium in the NW!

 

[Ursa Major]

Mods: I would like to suggest a new forum independent of Football or Basketball entitled; DRAMA QUEENS.

Thank you,

Ursa

 

[Jerry Punch]

Mods: I would like to suggest a new forum independent of Football or Basketball entitled; DRAMA QUEENS.

Thank you,

Ursa

Silvertip especially. Kemajic secondarily.

Many tenured professors are so lax and unmotivated that it defies logic that they should be able to make 6 figure salaries like many of them do. Anyone else in almost any field wouldn't be able to get away with that kind of laziness, but it happens at our state institutions on a regular basis.

That isn't to say there aren't awesome and qualified faculty with tenure at UM. Those select few continue to adapt, modify, and innovate their teaching to work with the times. They produce quality students and are a great benefit to the UM.

But this insistence on keeping the status quo for faculty is laughable. It also underscores the financial straits that UM is in and further calls into question the need for some of you to have UM move up. UM isn't a football school first. It's a University first with a football team second. Give it a rest, fellas.

 

[kemajic]

You have to be careful to suggest throwing out the tenure system alltogether. Second and third tier schools like Montana have faculty recruiting and retention problems magnified by their low salary structure. Tenure is about retention of faculty. That said, it has caused many to retire on the job. Most universities (I don't know about Montana) now have a performance system that can overcome tenure in the obvious cases.

 

[get'em_griz]

You have to be careful to suggest throwing out the tenure system alltogether. Second and third tier schools like Montana have faculty recruiting and retention problems magnified by their low salary structure. Tenure is about retention of faculty. That said, it has caused many to retire on the job. Most universities (I don't know about Montana) now have a performance system that can overcome tenure in the obvious cases.

Montana doesn't have a performance system unfortunately. The university would have so many better professors if they moved to the performance system to weed out the lazy professors.

 

[Silvertip]

Once again disengaged mods who can't connect the clearly visible dots running from Helena to both academics and athletics are exercising just the latest example of heavy-handed picking and choosing of what goes where based on their own particular bias or ignorance of the subject...Academics and football do not dwell in separate vacuums. As enrollment continues to drop both will be affected. You don't need to see an organizational wall chart to know that...

 

[Jerry Punch]

Once again disengaged mods who can't connect the clearly visible dots running from Helena to both academics and athletics are exercising just the latest example of heavy-handed picking and choosing of what goes where based on their own particular bias or ignorance of the subject...Academics and football do not dwell in separate vacuums. As enrollment continues to drop both will be affected. You don't need to see an organizational wall chart to know that...

So, your point is:

We need to move up because we need more revenue but we need to cut professor salaries because there isn't enough revenue? Explain.

 

[EverettGriz]

Mods: I would like to suggest a new forum independent of Football or Basketball entitled; DRAMA QUEENS.

Thank you,

Ursa

Hehehe.

 

[Silvertip]

Once again disengaged mods who can't connect the clearly visible dots running from Helena to both academics and athletics are exercising just the latest example of heavy-handed picking and choosing of what goes where based on their own particular bias or ignorance of the subject...Academics and football do not dwell in separate vacuums. As enrollment continues to drop both will be affected. You don't need to see an organizational wall chart to know that...

So, your point is:

We need to move up because we need more revenue but we need to cut professor salaries because there isn't enough revenue? Explain.

The point is yours...you explain it... This isn't a move up thread, no matter how hard you try to make it into one...I'm going to have to put you on my non-response list of agenda-motivated posters who ask dumb irrelevant questions.

 

[MrTitleist]

There's some awfully sandy vag's in this thread. Not sure who moved this, but it certainly fits the justification.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Once again disengaged mods who can't connect the clearly visible dots running from Helena to both academics and athletics are exercising just the latest example of heavy-handed picking and choosing of what goes where based on their own particular bias or ignorance of the subject...Academics and football do not dwell in separate vacuums. As enrollment continues to drop both will be affected. You don't need to see an organizational wall chart to know that...

So, your point is:

We need to move up because we need more revenue but we need to cut professor salaries because there isn't enough revenue? Explain.

The point is yours...you explain it... This isn't a move up thread, no matter how hard you try to make it into one...I'm going to have to put you on my non-response list of agenda-motivated posters who ask dumb irrelevant questions.

If you put me in the "agenda-motivated" posters area, what category will you put yourself in?

 

[uofmman1122]

This last week, the ASUM senate barely voted down a measure that would have put a vote of confidence/no-confidence in President Engstrom on the student ballots this spring.

Wouldn't be surprised if it came up again this fall.

It's not just football fans that are unhappy with him.

 

[wbtfg]

This last week, the ASUM senate barely voted down a measure that would have put a vote of confidence/no-confidence in President Engstrom on the student ballots this spring.

Wouldn't be surprised if it came up again this fall.

It's not just football fans that are unhappy with him.

Wow.....is there a kaimen article?

 

[uofmman1122]

This last week, the ASUM senate barely voted down a measure that would have put a vote of confidence/no-confidence in President Engstrom on the student ballots this spring.

Wouldn't be surprised if it came up again this fall.

It's not just football fans that are unhappy with him.

Wow.....is there a kaimen article?

No, but when I was in town, a bunch of senators up for reelection came into the Japanese Students Association meeting, and the JSA president had just been to their 6-hour meeting where it was discussed, so they talked about it.

From what I gathered, a lot of senators and student groups don't like the fact that Engstrom acts like he doesn't give a shit about them.

But then again, it was kind of the same under Dennison, so I dunno how far it will actually go.

 

[Spanky]

The Amish guy seems to be in high cotton with the Board of Regents, so probably not far.