UM is the Texas of the FCS?

[DuCharme]

I prefer the rest of that quote.

… the reality is most fans outside of Montana State and media want to see Montana be good

 

[Ursus1]

Actually it is pretty accurate. Bobby acts like it is Montana of old with some of his statements. But the truth is Bobby 2.0 has zero conference champions hips and has zero wins against the Cats.

 

[Cowboys84]

Actually it is pretty accurate. Bobby acts like it is Montana of old with some of his statements. But the truth is Bobby 2.0 has zero conference champions hips and has zero wins against the Cats.

Coach Bobby has a record of 5-4 as head coach at Montana versus Montana State.

 

[Ursa Major]

Actually it is pretty accurate. Bobby acts like it is Montana of old with some of his statements. But the truth is Bobby 2.0 has zero conference champions hips and has zero wins against the Cats.

Coach Bobby has a record of 5-4 as head coach at Montana versus Montana State.

You shut your dirty mouth.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Great post. I know one thing: the players are a lot bigger and faster than they were in the 1970-1990s. And before anyone says it, yes, we know Mercury Morris (or whomever) was fast. Talking as a whole.

This can't be possible. The FCS was MUCH better 20-30 years ago. That doesn't happen unless you have superior athletes and coaching back then.

Try to keep up. Wanna make a valid comparison of the FCS from back then to now? Might wanna look up the number of FCS players who played in the NFL 20-25 years ago, versus the number playing there now. The Griz alone used to have 3-5 seniors who were signed to free agent NFL contracts every year. One year they had 8 seniors in NFL camps. How many sign now from UM? But, once again, thanks for playing.

 

[AZGrizFan]

This can't be possible. The FCS was MUCH better 20-30 years ago. That doesn't happen unless you have superior athletes and coaching back then.

Try to keep up. Wanna make a valid comparison of the FCS from back then to now? Might wanna look up the number of FCS players who played in the NFL 20-25 years ago, versus the number playing there now. The Griz alone used to have 3-5 seniors who were signed to free agent NFL contracts every year. One year they had 8 seniors in NFL camps. How many sign now from UM? But, once again, thanks for playing.

What year was that?

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

Try to keep up. Wanna make a valid comparison of the FCS from back then to now? Might wanna look up the number of FCS players who played in the NFL 20-25 years ago, versus the number playing there now. The Griz alone used to have 3-5 seniors who were signed to free agent NFL contracts every year. One year they had 8 seniors in NFL camps. How many sign now from UM? But, once again, thanks for playing.

What year was that?

I’m thinking if UM ever had that many it would have been 07’-09’. Those teams had loads of future NFL talent. 8 seems high though.

 

[AZGrizFan]

What year was that?

I’m thinking if UM ever had that many it would have been 07’-09’. Those teams had loads of future NFL talent. 8 seems high though.

I do remember (I think), I did the math after the UM/App State game (the one with the Keith Thompson hit) that there were 14 players ON THAT FIELD who ended up in NFL camps…so that was probably the year.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

I’m thinking if UM ever had that many it would have been 07’-09’. Those teams had loads of future NFL talent. 8 seems high though.

I do remember (I think), I did the math after the UM/App State game (the one with the Keith Thompson hit) that there were 14 players ON THAT FIELD who ended up in NFL camps…so that was probably the year.

Yeah. I think that 09’ team is it. Pretty sure a bunch were in camps and ended up getting cut. Still impressive that they all ended up in camps though.

 

[ilovethecats]

This can't be possible. The FCS was MUCH better 20-30 years ago. That doesn't happen unless you have superior athletes and coaching back then.

Try to keep up. Wanna make a valid comparison of the FCS from back then to now? Might wanna look up the number of FCS players who played in the NFL 20-25 years ago, versus the number playing there now. The Griz alone used to have 3-5 seniors who were signed to free agent NFL contracts every year. One year they had 8 seniors in NFL camps. How many sign now from UM? But, once again, thanks for playing.

:lol:

 

[hunt-ducks]

Try to keep up. Wanna make a valid comparison of the FCS from back then to now? Might wanna look up the number of FCS players who played in the NFL 20-25 years ago, versus the number playing there now. The Griz alone used to have 3-5 seniors who were signed to free agent NFL contracts every year. One year they had 8 seniors in NFL camps. How many sign now from UM? But, once again, thanks for playing.

:lol:

Nice deflection. Ain't those emoticons convenient when you have no rebuttals?

 

[ilovethecats]

:lol:

Nice deflection. Ain't those emoticons convenient when you have no rebuttals?

The ridiculous logic didn't really deserve a rebuttal.

I agree with you, the Griz were much better 20 years ago than they are today. But that doesn't mean the FCS was better 20 years ago. It just means the griz were better 20 years ago.

I agree with you that there were some very good teams 20 years ago. Even championship teams, you know, because there are championship teams every year. Which is why pointing to old teams that used to be good but aren't anymore doesn't mean that the FCS was better than. It just means the really good teams 20 years ago are different than the really good teams now.

Even when the griz were a pipeline to the NFL years ago as you claimed, that too doesn't prove the FCS was better then than it is now. It just once again shows the griz were much better in the days where they had that kind of talent. I've never disputed that. The griz had very good teams during that stretch.

Did the FCS really have that many more players going to the NFL 20 years ago than it does now? Guess I'd have to see proof of that. That would be surprising to me. Even if it were true, it's still not proof that the FCS was way tougher during the days when the griz were good. It'd be like me saying the FCS is way tougher today just because they've put out two top-3 qb's in the draft in the last 5 years.

You're entitled to your opinion the division was much tougher in the olden days. You just haven't supported that opinion with any logic. Which is funny to me. Hence the :lol:

:thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Nice deflection. Ain't those emoticons convenient when you have no rebuttals?

The ridiculous logic didn't really deserve a rebuttal.

I agree with you, the Griz were much better 20 years ago than they are today. But that doesn't mean the FCS was better 20 years ago. It just means the griz were better 20 years ago.

I agree with you that there were some very good teams 20 years ago. Even championship teams, you know, because there are championship teams every year. Which is why pointing to old teams that used to be good but aren't anymore doesn't mean that the FCS was better than. It just means the really good teams 20 years ago are different than the really good teams now.

Even when the griz were a pipeline to the NFL years ago as you claimed, that too doesn't prove the FCS was better then than it is now. It just once again shows the griz were much better in the days where they had that kind of talent. I've never disputed that. The griz had very good teams during that stretch.

Did the FCS really have that many more players going to the NFL 20 years ago than it does now? Guess I'd have to see proof of that. That would be surprising to me. Even if it were true, it's still not proof that the FCS was way tougher during the days when the griz were good. It'd be like me saying the FCS is way tougher today just because they've put out two top-3 qb's in the draft in the last 5 years.

You're entitled to your opinion the division was much tougher in the olden days. You just haven't supported that opinion with any logic. Which is funny to me. Hence the :lol:

:thumb:

https://herosports.com/draft-fcs-pi...NFL PICKS BREAKDOWN YEAR, 2 25 more rows
Slightly more back then than in the last 10 years or so. Regardless, draft picks out of the FCS is a flawed metric for the ability of FCS athletes: (a) as Growler points out, many of the power FCS programs have moved up to FBS, so those out of Marshall, GSU, App State, and so on, are no longer FCS draft picks, but

(b) to assume that the FCS athletes were better then than now based on NFL draft rates would be to assume that the average ability of a college or pro football player hasn't increased over the same time period. I think most would agree that the average athlete in every sport has gotten better in the last 20-30 years. Accordingly, at best, one might be able to say the FCS was more competitive with itself 20-30 years ago, but to say NFL draft pick numbers means the athletes were better back then seems a leap too far, and

(c) being picked =/= making rosters and/or actually playing. Here's an article regarding recent FCS players actually on NFL rosters as of last season: https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/...teams-fcs-football-players-their-2020-rosters

In summary, I don't doubt that the FCS was more competitive with itself back in the day, but I do not believe that means the athletes were better. Put another way, if you teleported UM's and MSU's current players to 1995, I think a lot of them would be playing for P5 teams. Just my thoughts, pick apart as you wish.

 

[kemajic]

The ridiculous logic didn't really deserve a rebuttal.

I agree with you, the Griz were much better 20 years ago than they are today. But that doesn't mean the FCS was better 20 years ago. It just means the griz were better 20 years ago.

I agree with you that there were some very good teams 20 years ago. Even championship teams, you know, because there are championship teams every year. Which is why pointing to old teams that used to be good but aren't anymore doesn't mean that the FCS was better than. It just means the really good teams 20 years ago are different than the really good teams now.

Even when the griz were a pipeline to the NFL years ago as you claimed, that too doesn't prove the FCS was better then than it is now. It just once again shows the griz were much better in the days where they had that kind of talent. I've never disputed that. The griz had very good teams during that stretch.

Did the FCS really have that many more players going to the NFL 20 years ago than it does now? Guess I'd have to see proof of that. That would be surprising to me. Even if it were true, it's still not proof that the FCS was way tougher during the days when the griz were good. It'd be like me saying the FCS is way tougher today just because they've put out two top-3 qb's in the draft in the last 5 years.

You're entitled to your opinion the division was much tougher in the olden days. You just haven't supported that opinion with any logic. Which is funny to me. Hence the :lol:

:thumb:

https://herosports.com/draft-fcs-pi...NFL PICKS BREAKDOWN YEAR, 2 25 more rows
Slightly more back then than in the last 10 years or so. Regardless, draft picks out of the FCS is a flawed metric for the ability of FCS athletes: (a) as Growler points out, many of the power FCS programs have moved up to FBS, so those out of Marshall, GSU, App State, and so on, are no longer FCS draft picks, but

(b) to assume that the FCS athletes were better then than now based on NFL draft rates would be to assume that the average ability of a college or pro football player hasn't increased over the same time period. I think most would agree that the average athlete in every sport has gotten better in the last 20-30 years. Accordingly, at best, one might be able to say the FCS was more competitive with itself 20-30 years ago, but to say NFL draft pick numbers means the athletes were better back then seems a leap too far, and

(c) being picked =/= making rosters and/or actually playing. Here's an article regarding recent FCS players actually on NFL rosters as of last season: https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/...teams-fcs-football-players-their-2020-rosters

In summary, I don't doubt that the FCS was more competitive with itself back in the day, but I do not believe that means the athletes were better. Put another way, if you teleported UM's and MSU's current players to 1995, I think a lot of them would be playing for P5 teams. Just my thoughts, pick apart as you wish.

You left nothing to pick on; you got it.