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tinkle's ghosts

citygriz

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thought it might be fun to put together a starting lineup of scholarship players recruited by tinkle who would have been playing this year but for whatever reasons are no longer in the program:

center: andy martin 7' junior

power forward billy reader 6'9" senior

small forward jake wiley 6'7" junior

shooting guard kevin henderson 6'5" senior

point guard keron deshields 6'2" senior

sixth man nick emerson 6'5" junior

let's assume that on average, you recruit three to four new players a year. that means that over a four year period, you bring in 14 new players. and during this four year period, six of them are no longer in the program. that seems like a high number to me, and indicative of a lot of turmoil in a program.

of these players, decuire was only involved with one, andy martin. neither of his recruits to date, michael oguine or jared samuelson, has yet stepped on a court for the griz. it's simply the rule in college athletics: a new coach must have the time to bring in his own players.
 
citay said:
thought it might be fun to put together a starting lineup of scholarship players recruited by tinkle who would have been playing this year but for whatever reasons are no longer in the program:

center: andy martin 7' junior

power forward billy reader 6'9" senior

small forward jake wiley 6'7" junior

shooting guard kevin henderson 6'5" senior

point guard keron deshields 6'2" senior

sixth man nick emerson 6'5" junior

let's assume that on average, you recruit three to four new players a year. that means that over a four year period, you bring in 14 new players. and during this four year period, six of them are no longer in the program. that seems like a high number to me, and indicative of a lot of turmoil in a program.

of these players, decuire was only involved with one, andy martin. neither of his recruits to date, michael oguine or jared samuelson, has yet stepped on a court for the griz. it's simply the rule in college athletics: a new coach must have the time to bring in his own players.

I really would not go as far as a lot of turmoil. A few of these guys did not work out for their own reasons. Tinkle gave them a chance, and they fell short in certain areas.

Billy Reader did himself in with by not applying himself in the class room, and very little dedication to the team.

Jake Wiley is puzzling. I think Jake lost patience with the growing process, thought he should have played more minutes as a true FR. Wayne felt differently. Jake's time would have came last season, but no he sold himself and his teammates short by deciding not to play. Hard to put that on Wayne.

Kevin Henderson is a talent the GRIZ really miss. A lot of what went on behind the scenes there never became public knowledge. He earned his way off the team with a lot of minor incidents including a problem with consistent tardiness, and some questionable off the court decisions. Hard to blame Wayne for drawing a line with him. Kevin had plenty of chances to figure things out, and never did. Again, this is on the player.

Keron had some minor off the court issues, nothing alarming or real bad, he was a team player and solid person from what I heard. I honestly feel his departure was nothing more than circumstances with family beyond his control. Wayne supported Keron and was Keron's father figure during some tough times. Wayne and Keron's teammates were terrific to him. They were Keron's family. They were the reason why it was such a hard decision for Keron to make. Keron had a decision to make that he did not want to make, but had to make. Keron and Wayne had nothing but good things to say of one another when his decision finally was made public.

Emerson was a young player, unfortunately caught up in the number's game. His departure was an ordinary circumstance. Plain and simple, he wanted to be in a program with significant playing time. He got that where he is at now. With the number or perimeter players the GRIZ have, I can see why he felt transferring would be the best option.

In my opinion the most turmoil was with Reader. It is unfortunate too. The kid wasted his God given basketball talent because his attitude stunk. Reader could have been an all time great post player here. He had multiple time 1st team all conference potential. He just refused to work toward making himself better.

As for Martin, I've heard both sides of the story to some extent. Personally, I think highly of Andy and his family. To me, the situation could have been handled better by the U of M. That is not me blaming Travis. I just feel Travis and Andy were both caught in a middle of a rock and hard place. I feel the best outcome would have been to give Andy the opportunity to make or break himself this season. If he came through, then everyone would have been happy. If he fell short, then help Andy find another program and school he'd be a better fit at. Then again, academically, Andy is a kick ass student, so he might be perfectly happy as a student only without the pressures of basketball. I do miss him being on the team though.
 
As far as Andy, last time I talked to him he said he was just tired of basketball and wanted to just be a student at this point. That was why he didn't try transferring anywhere.
 
i do love the griz said:
As far as Andy, last time I talked to him he said he was just tired of basketball and wanted to just be a student at this point. That was why he didn't try transferring anywhere.


Then, it looks like it did work out for everyone. I wonder why the U of M did not try appealing to get that scholarship back then? If the team (Travis) initiated or suggested Andy not be part of the team this year, then I can see why Andy remained on scholarship. If Andy told Travis he thought it was best for him to be a student only, then one would think that be an exception for a school to not honor the scholarship. At least the money is being used for someone that truly does well in school, and is a model citizen.

AgentG, as for Deshields, I know he left with very little said by anyone. I knew Keron loved it at Montana. I never heard anything but his departure being mutual. I do know it was rather long and drawn out, very back and forth. I heard Wayne was fighting for him from a few people. Was Keron's departure a decision made by someone not tied to the basketball team, and one that left Wayne with no option? I am kind of confused by Keron's leaving now. It really is hard for me believe Wayne asked Keron to leave, or forced him to leave. Those 2 were rather close and from my understanding, had a solid relationship. If Keron's leaving was forced or made by someone other than Keron and Wayne, then Wayne's interest in other jobs makes more sense. I doubt I would want to stay at a place where I earned the respect to make the decisions of who stays and goes. Did all this play a role in Wayne''s pursuing the WAZZU and OSU job?
 
It was a coach's decision regarding Keron. I doubt it had anything to do with Tinkle leaving. I really don't have many specifics & probably wouldn't put it here if I did. I just thought the speculation should be cleared up.
 
Agent G said:
It was a coach's decision regarding Keron. I doubt it had anything to do with Tinkle leaving. I really don't have many specifics & probably wouldn't put it here if I did. I just thought the speculation should be cleared up.

WOW, surprising to hear that. It is best if we don't know the details anyway.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Jake Wiley is puzzling. I think Jake lost patience with the growing process, thought he should have played more minutes as a true FR. Wayne felt differently. Jake's time would have came last season, but no he sold himself and his teammates short by deciding not to play. Hard to put that on Wayne.
Wiley is a contrast to Jordan Gregory. He was unhappy being on the bench his freshman year, but he outdid all of the cheerleaders and Monte too in his trademark explosions of joy off the bench when the team scored. He was their chief cheerleader, and stayed around to play the game very well when his chance came, indeed, become team captain.
 
Cause and effect....some of this years players would not be on the team if those others had remained, so in essence its irrelevant.
 
ordigger said:
Cause and effect....some of this years players would not be on the team if those others had remained, so in essence its irrelevant.
Your reasoning assumes the potential impact of the departed players equals the impact of the players who replaced them. This is not necessarily true. Thus, it is not "in essence" irrelevant.
 
GrizWhiz said:
ordigger said:
Cause and effect....some of this years players would not be on the team if those others had remained, so in essence its irrelevant.
Your reasoning assumes the potential impact of the departed players equals the impact of the players who replaced them. This is not necessarily true. Thus, it is not "in essence" irrelevant.

Doesn't matter, because the guys simply wouldn't been on the team. Irrelevant if they are better, worse or the same. You wouldn't know.
 
All of these guys left for reasons I know because I'm an insider.
What's that? You want to know the reasons?
Haha, yeah right! I would never write the reasons, just that I know the reasons.
What's that? Why post that I know the reasons without identifying them because such posts are completely useless?
Hmm.
 
While I may know some or many of the reasons some guys are gone, I don't think it's always fair to the people involved to put it on a blog site. My goal was only to clear up incorrect statements. Everyone doesn't need to know all the specifics about everything all the time. Our society has way too much of the "google" mentality these days.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
All of these guys left for reasons I know because I'm an insider.
What's that? You want to know the reasons?
Haha, yeah right! I would never write the reasons, just that I know the reasons.
What's that? Why post that I know the reasons without identifying them because such posts are completely useless?
Hmm.

I see you have the same insiders as I do. Excellent.
 
Agent G said:
While I may know some or many of the reasons some guys are gone, I don't think it's always fair to the people involved to put it on a blog site. My goal was only to clear up incorrect statements. Everyone doesn't need to know all the specifics about everything all the time. Our society has way too much of the "google" mentality these days.

Fair enough. I respect that.
 
Tinkle Family doing well

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. . . Gonzaga women’s basketball team rode a career shooting night from Elle Tinkle all the way to a convincing 67-49 win Monday night over conference rival San Diego.

After a four-loss preseason, the Bulldogs have started conference play with wins over two teams voted by coaches as the most likely to challenge them for the West Coast Conference championship. “I think it sends a message to the rest of the conference that we are ready to play,” junior center Shelby Cheslek said.

The Bulldogs (9-4, 2-0 WCC) started the game hitting on all cylinders and the Toreros (10-2, 1-1) looked like they were stuck in cement. Tinkle, a 6-foot-2 junior guard, actually outscored San Diego, which had just 14 first-half points. Tinkle had 15. For the game, Tinkle hit 5-of-6 3-pointers en route to a 26-point night to lead all scorers in front of 5,279 fans at McCarthey Athletic Center. Tinkle’s previous career high was the 15 she scored Saturday in the 78-62 win over BYU. “It’s just one of those things. You hit a couple shots and the hoop starts to look big,” Tinkle said. “It was a fun game. We were all pretty hyped up.” Gonzaga came out blazing and raced to a 10-0 lead after Tinkle hit her first 3 and two shots from the line. Gonzaga eventually pushed the lead to 30 and San Diego’s score didn’t hit double figures until 3:30 left in the first half.

. . . Fortier praised the play of Tinkle, who has started every game since senior Lindsay Sherbert went down with a knee injury in the loss to Iowa. Tinkle “is critical to our team,” Fortier said. “The way she has been playing offensively really has given us a lift.” Asked what she told Tinkle at halftime, Fortier replied: “I didn’t want to talk to her because I didn’t want to jinx her.”
 
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