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Tinkle and the Griz BBall's Terrible FT %

crackgina said:
I too spent a ton of time on schoolwork to make sure I could get into my doctoral program, but my point still stands: If they want it badly enough, there is plenty of time to practice free throws. I had several Griz athletes live with me over the last couple years, believe me, they have lots of free time even with the more "numerous" games. (sic) ;)
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Check your [sic] as always including the misspelling, and not the correction, Dr. pard.

You're welcome,

Ashley
 
wbtfg said:
CDAGRIZ said:
wbtfg said:
CDAGRIZ said:
What about 70%? If a PG doesn't shoot at least 70% from the line, he doesn't even belong in college BB, does he?
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Agreed...no way I want Rajon Rondo on my team. The Celts would be so much better without him.
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Second post down. It basically spirals out of control from there.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29939&start=50
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Wow...takin it back to the old school.
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It's just too awesome to let die.
 
crackgina said:
Grizbacker: I didn't think I dropped a name did I? ;)
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YOu are right, I should have said the why don't you tell us how smart you are like playerrep...same thing really. :thumb:
 
If people can't deal with a 'statement of fact' as presented, until proven otherwise, then they have a personal problem. As it is, a personal problem should be kept to themselves regardless of how slighted and embarrassed they are by not having the temerity to handle social venues as some are made awkward by other individuals' accomplishments and merits. Moral quality of the will is a self acquired endeavor. Some people haven't overcome the most devastating event in their lives yet; like their connival birth.
 
I was trying to respond to LA's comment about school being too hard to practice free throws. I wasn't trying to yap about my degree. Should have PM'd. Sorry.
 
crackgina said:
I was trying to respond to LA's comment about school being too hard to practice free throws. I wasn't trying to yap about my degree. Should have PM'd. Sorry.
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A.P.,
I would be willing to bet that you don't have a Doctorate so I would clear that up if I were you. Some of your colleagues may deem it unprofessional to lie about your educational background, regardless of venue or even if cloaked by anonymity. Such an important member of the Missoula community shouldn't be so careless. Now with the free throw problem that we are facing, I do not see it getting much better anytime soon. We may improve our percentage but for those who might think some extra practice will have this team shooting 75%-80% can forget it. Free throw shooting is not as easy as many make it out to be and for those who are 85%+ shooters it is a true talent. We will lose more games due to free throw shooting this year because we are not a good shooting team.

- Scott
 
Dipshit: Read up and learn!

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It is almost as if the only time you post is when you can say something about my posts. Add something to the thread and put your personal vendetta aside. Cherry has talked about how he practiced hard on his shooting and free throws. Clearly his effort is paying off because he is much better this year than last. To claim that practicing won't make someone significantly better is absurd. Taken to its conclusion, your argument posits that all practice in college can do is improve the percentage a little. I disagree and have seen many players for the Griz over the years improve their shooting exponentially if they dedicate themselves to improving.
 
I take it a few of those thinking FT shooting is so easy, either played and did well from the line, things come naturally, or have never coached basketball beyond pee wee basketball.

I have played and coached. Even at the JC level, combining studies with basketball is/was extremely demanding on players and coaches. Especially when many athletes/players have to study their asses off just to stay eligible. I know it that much more magnified at Div 1 level. Raason Young is a perfect example of this. Why do you think he is playing at a lesser level now? He has D-1 talent, but it was hard for him to find the right balance at D-1. Not all these kids are blessed with the greatest of academic enviroments and backgrounds. Those things alone are huge adjustments to make in addition to basketball.

Some of us really do have warped reality of life outside of our own pampered world's. I tell you the Montana academic environment and culture is much better than many areas where D1 basketball recruits come from. Montanan's are fortunate to get a solid public school education compared to many areas.

For some players finding time to dedicate to basketball beyond practice during the school year is not as easy as one would think. That time comes in the offseason for many players. The funny part, a player chooses to dedicate more time to basketball, and even becomes better from that extra practice. Yet the same player then does not make it academically, fans and observers jump the same player for not being dedicated enough for studies. What good does that now do the player, and program?

My point is realize each player/athlete is an individual, and many are not wired to do as you think they can or should. The player/athlete that can get good grades, excel on the court, and still have free time to work on his game consistently, that student athlete is the exception, not the norm in Div 1 athletics.

Sorry, but that is a short summary of reality for these players. Give them and their coaches a damn break!!!! IT is not as easy as you think. How about lets enjoy this year's GRIZ for it's team unity, personalities, great strategy, hard work, and the nastiest defensive team we have seen in years? That is a team I can get behind!!!! How about considering improved shooting and offense, as icing on the cake?

If applied right, that icing makes the cake that much damn better to enjoy!!!! GO GRIZ!!!
 
I agree. This is one of the most athletically gifted teams in the last twenty five years at the U. I hope their outside and free throw shooting improves. I am behind them 100% regardless. Do I think they can improve with more practice, yes. Do I know their academic situations, no. So maybe you are right, maybe they don't have the ability to practice more and school is much more important than basketball for sure. I know I will be there tomorrow hoping for a win over the Beavers.
 
Grizbacker1 said:
FT shooting is as much mental as it is technique.
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I fully agree. When growing up and practise shooting FTs I'd hit probably no better than 30-35 %. I got so tired & frustrated of missing I just said to myself..."what do I wish to accomplish here?" Imagining what I wanted to do and it came to me to simply 'visualize' the ball going in a split second before I shot the FT. I increased my FT shooting by fifty % up to shooting 80 % as I visualize the ball going into the net each and every time I shoot. Call it psycho-cybernetics or whatever. I can't rationalize it any better but it could all be that due to the visualizing, the concerted effort to do so as a process that forces me to be more stable, balanced and relaxed while doing so and maybe that's what makes my shooting FTs a lot better. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, excuse the pun, but a helleva lot better than beforehand.

Of course, as a rank amateur, I'm entitled to be an expert.
 
crackgina said:
I was trying to respond to LA's comment about school being too hard to practice free throws. I wasn't trying to yap about my degree. Should have PM'd. Sorry.
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For someone with a Ph.D, your reading comprehension is lacking. I did not say school was too hard to practice..what I said, and still believe, it is much harder on athletes, especially basketball players, to be successful full time students, practice with the team, sleep, eat, study, and deal with the travelling and the illnesses that often brings, than it was years ago. For a kid to do all that, and be expected to spend yet an additional couple of hours shooting free throws is too much to expect. Now and then, kids will do that, but I would like a kid to be able to graduate with his classmates after basketbAll is done and over. Yes, I would like to see better free throw scoring, but not at the expense of the kid's overall success. That is just me...
 
Free throw shooting is easy. Period. No hand in your face. No racing clock. Tinkle, with whom I exchanged emails on the subject, says it all when he says they make the FT's in practice that they miss during the game. That tells you the problem is basically mental. That understood, free throw shooting starts with simplified and replicable mechanics. Women have less upper body strength and are generally shorter than the men, but at the college level (including UM), they are better with FT's. When I see men at the line gyrating around with anxiety written all over their faces I Know I'm watching a guy who has no faith at the FT line...The fix starts with reducing the target. Forget the hoop (?) Concentrate on dropping the ball just over the front of the rim reducing the margin of error while using sound replicable mechanics. I'm a moderately athletic male whose best record is 24 FT's in a row. Next best 15. UM men basketballers? They think too much when they need to rely on habit.
 
Whatever happened to stepping up to the FREE throw line (with confidence--no matter what your average is currently), starring at the front of the rim, and putting your hand in the cookie jar?
 
From the Missoulian: They and Tinkle say it all...(not confident and are nervous)

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Shooters were in short supply for the Griz in their 50-48 overtime loss at San Francisco on Sunday. The Griz shot 34 percent overall, 20 percent from 3-point range and 45 percent from the free-throw line. For the season, Montana is at 26 percent from long range and 63 percent from the line.

"When you're not confident or you're nervous, routine and repetition are two things that can ease your mind," Tinkle said. "We're going to continue to shoot. We'll ... do some competitive shooting - penalties if you don't hit a certain number - so that we can try as best we can to simulate game pressure in a practice environment. I don't think X and O-wise we'll change what we're doing.

"If we make some more free throws, we're not stressed about our offense. Guys need to step up and make plays, they need to finish and we need to get to free-throw line and convert. That'll help solve the issues."
 
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