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Thoughts on Mens bball

The poor play of the Griz men comes down to lack of decent guard play. Cam gives them the best chance, but he is a true freshman, and as he improves the team will improve. This team really misses what Criswell and Matthews did for them last year, and Tinkle is trying to make it work, but it has not worked very well.
 
Grizdominate said:
The poor play of the Griz men comes down to lack of decent guard play. Cam gives them the best chance, but he is a true freshman, and as he improves the team will improve. This team really misses what Criswell and Matthews did for them last year, and Tinkle is trying to make it work, but it has not worked very well.
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That is an excellent point. Rundles. Martin, and Ellis have each had their moments, and each of them have had some real bad games too. Rundles is doing as well, if not better than a lot of freshmen I remember. I can name several former Griz who made you wonder why they were recruited as freshmen who became all conference players.
 
yeah, the time for knocking tinks seems to have come and past. this is a transition period and would've been with any coach. I don't mean just transition from coach to coach, but from team to team. The loss of Criswell and matthews (good call GB) has significantly transformed the chemistry of this team. Currently, it doesn't have a very strong one. Watch it mold around Cam and Hasquet in the next year or so. Rundles is working very hard to become the leader of this team. He has it molded in his head that he needs to be a vocal floor leader, this is great to see from a frosh.

I kind of went off on a tangent but the point is that this season was bound to be less successful than the previous one, no matter who the coach was.
 
citygriz said:
like any great film, it all depends on how it ends. bad starts can lead to good ends, and great starts can wind up bad--just ask phil mickelson. you judge a coach on how he finishes, and since none of us here has the wisdom to know how the year ends, i think it's premature to judge tinks now. imagine judging krysko's first season at this point before we knew how it would wind up.

tinks has evident--and in my opinion, correctible--weaknesses as a head coach, and equally obvious qualities that you simply can't graft onto a coach--good looks, stature, tradition at the school, veteran experience as a pro player, a nice touch with players and the media.

i'm also betting he has the capacity to learn from his mistakes.

solidly in tinks's camp--still.
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After 24 games in coach K's first season the Griz were 12-12 overall and 6-5 in conference.

If it's so easy to find a great coach with previous hc experience, that will instantly take a team to the next level, I wonder why more teams don't do it? If it's so easy you think every team would want to hire a coach who would be that good.
 
I’ve read the posts here for a while now, but just joined today because i think the general topic umceltics raises is worth discussing. umceltics, you say we shouldn’t have hired Tinkle, but maybe what you’re saying is that if we hire a head coach with no head coach experience, we’d better be confident that he is mentally in the right place to step up and do something so that we don’t sacrifice the kids coming through the program while he’s cutting his teeth. Fair statement?

It doesn’t take much for a player to be benched – it doesn’t even take a screw-up. Just playing average will get you there. But you don’t start five average players and keep playing them all season to see whether they eventually catch on – you want them to perform, or they sit the bench. Coaching is different from playing and I'm not saying coaches should be fired unless they perform from the start, but how long do we give him before we’re entitled to voice misgivings? One poster suggested 3 years, until the end of his contract. That’s almost the whole career of a college player. Nobody wants to see players with true potential to pass through the program undeveloped because the coach doesn’t have a lot of experience and maybe doesn’t motivate well, and if there’s one thing a player hates to hear, it’s that he’s part of a “transition” team. We all know that a good coach with true motivating skill can take even an average team and make something happen.

All on this board agree he could be an excellent coach and has the capacity to learn from his mistakes. The critical question is how long it will take.
 
oldwest....Spanky thinks that you would agree that we give him a complete season before the criticism begins?
 
I'm for giving him a shot this year. Pretty easy to say with things looking pretty good right about now.

Contructive criticism is all right anytime, tho, and I guess I would include musings in that category.
 
Pardon me for getting in on this late, but I am a big fan of having a coach who has been a head coach. High school is fine with me if the alternative is someone who hasn't even been a high school coach. In some ways, high school coaching is the toughest.

Larry Donovan had no head coaching experience, Don Read did.

Robin Selvig had been a high school coach. Jud Heathcote had been the frosh coach at WSU, Blaine Taylor had been a high school coach, Krysko has been a CBA coach. Jim Brandenberg had been a head JC coach.

If I were AD (right, in my dreams), I would have a rule that I would tell all coaching applicants that they must have had some head coaching experience. I would also tell them they can mentor assistants with no head coach experience if they want, but as AD I would make it known to the assistants that they will not be candidates for the head position without head coaching experience at some level.

We are all part of the problem - whenever there is a vacancy we scream that the assistant has paid his/her dues and "deserves" the opportunity. Whenever we elevate an assistant we are hiring someone who could not get the equivalent job at Idaho State on the open job market. That isn't always bad, but I would prefer to have candidates prove they can coach at someone else's expense.

A good example is the last volleyball coach - she had no head coaching experience. Jerry Wagner had a ton of assistant experience and had been both a college and a high school head coach. The soccer coach has had both head coaching and assistant experience.

I assume our next head coaching position will come in football. I would hope that we insist on a coach with head coaching experience somewhere. My guess, however, will be that we the fans insist that "give someone a chance" who has never done the job. So, when Hauck leaves, I (for one) hope he takes the whole staff so that won't be an issue.

Have we ever hired a head coach (with an honest search on the open market) who had been a head coach somewhere else who wasn't successful here?


Pardon me for rambling.
 
Do I understand that you would take the head coach from Highwood, Montana, over the number one assistant from Duke? I'm afraid your argument doesn't hold much water. Colleges would soon run out of college head coaches to hire and the only "qualified" candidates would be high school coaches.
 
Wayne and co. have now won 7 of their last 9 and are currently in sole possession of 2nd place in the Big Sky at 8-4.

Looking at the standings

1. Weber 10-4
2. UM 8-4
3. NAU 8-5
4. ISU 7-5
4. MSU 7-5
6. PSU 7-7
7. EWU 6-8
(Sac & NCU are out)

UM holds its own destiny, if they can win one of their last two road games (which will be their biggest challenge) and win both of their home games they'd be the #2 seed, of course if they win out they'd host, but I really can't see the Griz winning at both Weber and ISU (hopefully they'll prove me wrong!) You can see how tight this race is though, currently the difference between first and 5th place in the conference is just 1 loss (yes wins are a wider margin).

I think both the players and Wayne are better learning each others style. It also helps having Mayes, Sharp and Chavez being able to come in off the bench as spark plugs for the team.
 
With 9 of 11 players back and Wayne(who is a great guy but this is
besides the point) I think expectations were very high early in the
season. Looking back now this may have been unrealistic due to
the turnover in assistants and the fact that Wayne had not been
a head coach. Followers of the Griz can't help but wonder why it
has taken 2/3 of the season to insert Mayes into the lineup, to
play Chavez more, and to understand that in many scenarios
Ellis is the only player that can make the offense go.
At any rate its good to see the Griz Depth start to take hold.
We have a legitamate shot at the dance.
 
Ballhog said:
With 9 of 11 players back and Wayne(who is a great guy but this is
besides the point) I think expectations were very high early in the
season. Looking back now this may have been unrealistic due to
the turnover in assistants and the fact that Wayne had not been
a head coach. Followers of the Griz can't help but wonder why it
has taken 2/3 of the season to insert Mayes into the lineup, to
play Chavez more, and to understand that in many scenarios
Ellis is the only player that can make the offense go.
At any rate its good to see the Griz Depth start to take hold.
We have a legitamate shot at the dance.
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I find it odd that you don't even mention the 2 players that are not back were the unquestioned heart and sould of the team last season. The loss of LK, Huse, Criswell, and Mathews is huge. You also fail (on purpose?) to mention that Mayes was not playing for reasons other than his basketball ability. Chavez missed some games because of academic issues. Tinks knew it ws coming so Mike's minutes were less due to that. That seems pretty reasonable to give the minutes to guys that are going to be there in Mike's absence. That is proactive, not reactive. And finally, I thought you were one of the critics that said Tinks was playing too many players and now you laud the Griz depth? Glad to see you finally got it.
 
Umceltics had a number of good observations and points. Good discussions by everyone, and hopefully should the need ever arise again ,even more careful searching for the right candidate will occur.
I do find it interesting that it was felt some players would leave the program if Tinks wasn't hired-or thoughts to that idea. Any coach that would have been hired would have had the "charisma" to pacify the fears of existing players, or hopefullly he'd never been hired. Plus its not that easy to change programs for any athlete, so the situation would have to be unbearable to make changes.
Its also my opinion that Larry k, had less talent to work with in the beginning, than Tinks presently has, so it seems to me that in comparison there-Tinks would have the advantage..
Also think Umceltics was right on about the "piece of cake" issue, in that experienced BB fanatics realize that if you played 10 games, and won 8-that would be a piece of cake. I think we have great talent, and that fact that some aren't playing until now because"they didn't buy into the program early on" is more of a sad commentary on the coaching success than the lack of "attitude on the players part. Plus I'd really like to hear Tinks talk more about "we" and "us", when discussing the team as it is a team, and the coaching staff should solidly identify with the players on both the ups and downs. Finally I must say,I'm beginning to enjoy the lady griz much more than Men, but have and will continue to support both.......
 
I laugh every time I listen to a Griz BB game this season because of the Ole's commercial. Boy what are they smokin'?

"The Griz are bigger, stronger, and better than they were last season!"

They air it several times a game.
 
ronbo said:
I laugh every time I listen to a Griz BB game this season because of the Ole's commercial. Boy what are they smokin'?

"The Griz are bigger, stronger, and better than they were last season!"

They air it several times a game.
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You don't get Marketing apparently. The whole idea is to get you to listen, and it looks as though you are reacting like Pavlov's Dog. :thumb:
 
Grizbacker1 said:
ronbo said:
I laugh every time I listen to a Griz BB game this season because of the Ole's commercial. Boy what are they smokin'?

"The Griz are bigger, stronger, and better than they were last season!"

They air it several times a game.
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You don't get Marketing apparently. The whole idea is to get you to listen, and it looks as though you are reacting like Pavlov's Dog. :thumb:
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O-W-N-E-D
 
Actually not owned. I avoid Ole's like the plague. Not only is their gas higher priced, their song jingle is one of the worst ads on TV. I mute the sound, it makes my skin crawl.
 
Expectations were high for WT. He is a fine person. Unfortunatley,
this has little to do with coaching ability. The quality of assistant
coaches is a big factor-he needs to replace some of his staff;
I hope the nice guy in him doesn't prevent this.
I sometimes wonder how much of our shooting problems
are due to subing players in and out like a merry go round.
I am rooting for him and the Griz.
 
ronbo said:
Actually not owned. I avoid Ole's like the plague. Not only is their gas higher priced, their song jingle is one of the worst ads on TV. I mute the sound, it makes my skin crawl.
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Amazing, you must be a lip reader since you know the lyrics when it is muted. Like them or not Ronbo, the ad was effective because you remember it, that is the whole idea. I remember several years ago, one of their ads featured an Ole's clerk with a smile that would melt the Glaciers quicker than Global Warming. I went into a lot of Ole's so I could see for myself. At least I admit it. :laugh:
 
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