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This yr's team uncoachable????????

robo, do you not understand the difference between a team out of control and a guard? If not, you ought to look for something other than the basketball section.
 
PlayerRep said:
robo, do you not understand the difference between a team out of control and a guard? If not, you ought to look for something other than the basketball section.
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If it was just an out of control guard, then why doesn't Tinks put a guard in that can dribble the ball up the court and feed the post. So what you're saying is that Tinks is too dumb to keep one out of control guard from tanking his season. It would appear that you're agreeing with me.

I don't need to post here to prove that Tink's can't coach. Just watch the rest of the season and see what he does with next years team.
 
robomomo said:
PlayerRep said:
robo, do you not understand the difference between a team out of control and a guard? If not, you ought to look for something other than the basketball section.
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If it was just an out of control guard, then why doesn't Tinks put a guard in that can dribble the ball up the court and feed the post. So what you're saying is that Tinks is too dumb to keep one out of control guard from tanking his season. It would appear that you're agreeing with me.

I don't need to post here to prove that Tink's can't coach. Just watch the rest of the season and see what he does with next years team.
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something tells me we will see the same post over and over and over and over
 
I don't know if I would say they are uncoachable, or out of control, but clearly the team is not listening to or executing what Tinkle wants - here is Tinkles comments after the MSU loss:

“That kind of display in the second half was a joke,” Tinkle said. “We need better leadership, obviously we need better guard play, our big guys need to finish when they get it down by the rim; you need to just dig in, be a man and get a stop. We couldn't do any of those things.

“Is the sun going to come up tomorrow? You bet. It's the first game of league and we have 15 more. I'm just a little disappointed that some of those things that cost us in the preseason reared their heads again.”
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So everything he has tried to teach them during this 6 in 7 game losing streak is going in one ear and out the other. They are not responding to his coaching, they just keep doing stuff their own way, and the losses keep mounting.
 
Grizbeer said:
I don't know if I would say they are uncoachable, or out of control, but clearly the team is not listening to or executing what Tinkle wants - here is Tinkles comments after the MSU loss:

“That kind of display in the second half was a joke,” Tinkle said. “We need better leadership, obviously we need better guard play, our big guys need to finish when they get it down by the rim; you need to just dig in, be a man and get a stop. We couldn't do any of those things.

“Is the sun going to come up tomorrow? You bet. It's the first game of league and we have 15 more. I'm just a little disappointed that some of those things that cost us in the preseason reared their heads again.”
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So everything he has tried to teach them during this 6 in 7 game losing streak is going in one ear and out the other. They are not responding to his coaching, they just keep doing stuff their own way, and the losses keep mounting.
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There are not a lot of solutions, but the most effective tool coaches have at their disposal is playing time. I think the message has to be one of doing it the coaches way, or sit. Tinks has to be the Boss, plain and simple. He isn't paid to be the players friend. If he allows players to do what they want on the court, then he shouldn't get upset when they do not listen. Not an indictment of Tinks as a person, or a Coach, just my opinion. :twocents:
 
Grizbacker1 said:
Grizbeer said:
I don't know if I would say they are uncoachable, or out of control, but clearly the team is not listening to or executing what Tinkle wants - here is Tinkles comments after the MSU loss:

“That kind of display in the second half was a joke,” Tinkle said. “We need better leadership, obviously we need better guard play, our big guys need to finish when they get it down by the rim; you need to just dig in, be a man and get a stop. We couldn't do any of those things.

“Is the sun going to come up tomorrow? You bet. It's the first game of league and we have 15 more. I'm just a little disappointed that some of those things that cost us in the preseason reared their heads again.”
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So everything he has tried to teach them during this 6 in 7 game losing streak is going in one ear and out the other. They are not responding to his coaching, they just keep doing stuff their own way, and the losses keep mounting.
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There are not a lot of solutions, but the most effective tool coaches have at their disposal is playing time. I think the message has to be one of doing it the coaches way, or sit. Tinks has to be the Boss, plain and simple. He isn't paid to be the players friend. If he allows players to do what they want on the court, then he shouldn't get upset when they do not listen. Not an indictment of Tinks as a person, or a Coach, just my opinion. :twocents:
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Agreed - when you basically say the same thing in the paper after nearly every game, and think you have it fixed after every practice, the message is getting lost on the court, and the only thing you can do is sit people.
 
In the second half, Rundles and Hasquett, as well as Martin later on, took ill-advised outside shots or forced shots. So, if we're going to sit those 3, two of whom are our top and second leading scorers, who are you going to play? And if Stadaucher is in some foul trouble, who are you going to play? Obviously, the coaches must not be quite as high on Graves as some of you.

Do you think that playing more big men would have stopped the their guard from scoring 34, or whatever he got?
 
Normally I'm a silent reader, but as a former Griz BB player, the BB segment is obviously of interest to me..---Tinkle as a coach will hopefully be a great one, and has the potential to be a "Selvig" if he gets his coaching demeanor in order.. Always difficult for a new coach trying to find his own identity..Tinkle throughout his career has always found a way to "get by in an acceptable fashion". In my opnion, even as a player he had more potential than he ever displayed, but yet he did well.. I think the same will happen as a coach, he seems reasonably intelligent,and if in no other way, by osmosis should have learned the X's, and O's . A this point he needs to learn to be a leader, and he is having growing pains in this area..A little "Bobby Knight" might help in his coaching...He can be a friend for 22 hours a day, but once practice starts-he must become a leader who motivates each player in the fashion they respond best too---Not what they like-but rather what makes them realize their potential, and most of them have no idea(deep down) what that potential is, so a true leader they will respect can get them to accomplish more than they acutally believed they could . His statements after the Cat loss, is one of frustration, and a little bit of" blame them not me" indication- which isn't healthy... Regardless of what each player does, they are doing what they feel correct in what they've perceived they have been taught. I believe each player is trying very hard to do what the coach expects of them in individual circumstances,but they seemingly haven't put all the individual play steps together for ultimate success.. Sometimes they set screens well, come off them well, but the next time they forget that while trying to perfect another step well.. Sometimes that comes from practice where coaches overemphasize -for instance-run the ball through all our options instead of taking a "shot" This is good in practice, but in a game, the best option for scoreing may be the first pass-not the last......I think the bottom line is they do not have the confidence to understand the entire game. The coaching ability to bridge that gap is what seperates the good from the great. But too often a coaching explanation is" they didn't do what we been practiceing all week" when in fact they truly have, and the problem being that the player and coaches perceptions of the individual steps of practice didn't come together at the same learning bottom line.... I also agree when those who think we should be utilizing our big bench men.....Amen, I for one would live with Quale's freshman mistakes , and let him ride the high of his high school successes, instead of benching him for "mental " mistakes-he's smart-knows when he's made a mistake, so let him play on and get smarter quicker. He won't make that progress on the bench, and benching is the quickest way for a young player to belive he has little potential... Anyway, I'll stop for now, and I'm prepared for the criticism of my thoughts, but do realize they are my opinons, and I'm not an expert, just a loyal Griz who wants them to do better, and do not think I'm hurting them by stateing my opinions of how they could be better....Oh Yes---as a U Grad, and former Griz---I enjoy the Bobcats, as well as the Griz, as I'm all in favor of MONTANA showing well in whatever they do....
 
PlayerRep said:
In the second half, Rundles and Hasquett, as well as Martin later on, took ill-advised outside shots or forced shots. So, if we're going to sit those 3, two of whom are our top and second leading scorers, who are you going to play? And if Stadaucher is in some foul trouble, who are you going to play? Obviously, the coaches must not be quite as high on Graves as some of you.

Do you think that playing more big men would have stopped the their guard from scoring 34, or whatever he got?
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If they are not listening to what I tell them, and just playing the way they want to, yes I would bench them. I would rather get beat badly in a few games to make the team understand they are part of the team, and not more important than the team, and they can only be a team when everyone is on the same page with the coach.

I don't know if those 3 players you mentioned were following Tinkle's game plan (I assume not), so it is hard to say these players would be benched, but Tinkle said players are not doing what they are supposed to, so only he knows who should be benched.

And I don't know if playing more big men would have stopped Taylor from scoring 34, but presumably they could have at least filled the lane, drawn a charge or 2, maybe a few blocks, and made him earn more of those points at the line instead of layups. I would rather have had 4 or 5 guys foul out than get beat conceding the lane.
 
Our two big men in the game were already guarding the biggest Cat players. A third UM big man would have presumably been guarding the 3 (actually the Cat lineup says they play 3 guards), and would presumably have been out on the perimenter chasing a smaller guy. Not so sure it our 3rd big man would have been anywhere near the lane to stop drives.
 
PlayerRep said:
Our two big men in the game were already guarding the biggest Cat players. A third UM big man would have presumably been guarding the 3 (actually the Cat lineup says they play 3 guards), and would presumably have been out on the perimenter chasing a smaller guy. Not so sure it our 3rd big man would have been anywhere near the lane to stop drives.
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Doesn't sound like you even watched the game. ??
 
Of course, I watched the game. But watching on tv doesn't allow you to look at all 10 players at the same time, to see who they are guarding and who are on the court. Assuming you watched the game, Backer, can you tell us who was guarding whom in the second half?
 
PlayerRep said:
Of course, I watched the game. But watching on tv doesn't allow you to look at all 10 players at the same time, to see who they are guarding and who are on the court. Assuming you watched the game, Backer, can you tell us who was guarding whom in the second half?
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I sure can. msu players were guarding all 5 of the Griz. The Griz players were not guarding anyone. Answer your question?
 
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