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Support for the Johnsons--and some random thoughts

KRO

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I am a first-time poster and an admitted Griz fan. Like so many others, I have been consumed by the Jordan Johnson trial, though I've never spoken publicly about it. I simply didn't know if the accusations were true and I believe I have kept an open mind throughout. Having followed the trial closely, however, and with testimony now wrapped up, I feel strongly Jordan is innocent. There are simply too many things that don't add up in the prosecution's case, and frankly much of their witness testimony seemed riddled with problems. Could Jordan have handled things better on the night of the alleged incident? Absolutely. He, himself, said as much. But who among us would not go back and do certain things we did when we were 19 or 20 years old differently if only we had the opportunity? With the furor over sexual assaults in Missoula, I believe Jordan was the victim of circumstance. And yes, some of that was of his own doing. But I do not, in any way, believe he is a rapist.

I'm sure these final hours of the trial are the most stressful of what has been an incredibly stressful year for Jordan and his family. I have no idea of whether they will see this or not, but I want them to know I am sending prayers their way. I hope that in some small way that brings them comfort.

Let me be clear in saying that rape is a horrible crime, and if I believed that Jordan were guilty, I would not hesitate to say he belonged in prison--star quarterback or not. Football is just a game, and in the big picture of life, means nothing. But I do not believe he is a rapist.

I have no idea of what Jordan's plans are if he's acquitted, or what his enrollment status will be. I do know that by all reported accounts, the "honor court" at the university last spring was anything but. A judge told us that and the revelation has left me with serious questions about the leadership at the university. I wouldn't blame Jordan if he wanted to leave town and never return. But I, for one, hope he stays--and that university officials have the good sense to allow him to. Whether as a student, or a student athlete he would have my full support--and that of many others I know. I'm sure there would be some who would want to make that difficult as possible, but Jordan has shown he has the strength and character to fight through that.

Allow me to say that Jane Doe and her family have my prayers too. Though I am confident that this was not rape, I think in her mind she may actually believe that it was. I also think that others--many with good intentions, perhaps some with their own agendas--contributed to those beliefs. I'm sure this past year was painful for her and her family too, and I hope she gets the help she needs to deal with this situation. There will be no winners in this case. Regardless of the verdict, I urge everyone to use restraint and avoid making a difficult situation worse by harrassing the woman or attempting to belittle her. Despite what I'm sure have included feelings of anger, frustration and hurt, throughout this process, Jordan and his family have conducted themselves with honor and integrity. I'm certain they'd want others to do the same. Anything less would do them a great disservice.

Finally, I would offer similar comments regarding Gwen Florio. Like others, I have what I believe are legitimate concerns about some of the Missoulian's reporting and how it may have played into this situation--and I say that as someone who holds a journalism degree from UM. But I have found some of the comments directed at her to be nothing short of repulsive. The substance of valid criticism will never be acknowledged if it's always deliverd with such vitriol. We can be better than that, Griz fans.

When all of this is over--and with any luck, that will be soon--I hope everyone takes a step back to reflect on what's transpired in the last year plus--and how we might do things differently going forward. That includes fans, media, university officials, regents and others. It's been one hell of an education, but there are still lessons to be learned.

Godspeed, Jordan.
 
Your post is thoughtful and well written. I agree with nearly all of your points. The one area that we would disagree on - Gwen Florio. She is a PAID professional supposedly. She chose to write and report in a biased fashion that quite frankly aimed to change the course of events in one young mans life. She let her own experiences and bias get in the way of her job and was sexist when reporting about rape and sexual assaults in Missoula. That's right - I just said it - SEXIST. Ms. Florio lacks moral fibre and committed a grave sin as a journalist. She failed to collect and report on the FACTS. Simply unacceptable and quite frankly, if she can't handle the vitriol of Griz fans - then she should quit. She gets paid to do her job (one she does very poorly in my opinion) and if she can't take the heat - then get out of the kitchen. IMHO the Missoulian has lost all credibility and the only decent paper left in Missoula is the Kaiman. The Missoulian stooped so low as to shoot for sensationalistic journalism. All for the sake of selling a few more papers.
 
Personally I believe the missoulian should be held responsible for their nonfactual reporting, and the Kaiman is not any better. After the Bobby Hauck deal I made a vow to never read the Kaiman again.

I cant imagine what the cost of this trial is for Jordy and parents but I hope Jordy recoups his cost and some from the injustice that has been done.

That being said I hope the best for Jordy and all the support and for the girl she needs to be admitted to a clinic somewhere and get the psychological help she needs.

If there were a NCAA loop hole to help Jordy out financially I sure would do it.
 
I noticed he didn't have anything conciliatory to say about the judge. I will reserve judgement for Gwen Florio, The Missoulian and the UM "Honors" Court until after the verdict is rendered, but you know what decision they are all in the bag for.
 
The title of the thread made me think you were in need of a cup or a jockstrap and were going to tell us why.

Seriously though, I agree with you.
 
If there were a NCAA loop hole to help Jordy out financially I sure would do it.

Couldn't we just send his parents money? The NCAA has no reason to stick their fat asses in that now do they?
 
Well said KRO. I too agree with everything but can't let go of the Missoulian and Florio. What they have done is, in aggregate, an actionable harm. They conducted a purposefull campaign with an agenda to attack Johnson and Griz football. I think they got excited thinking Gwen was onto a scoop of some kind of sick undercurrent in the program and despite a lack of supporting evidence they ran with it even when it meant fabrication, intentional "errors" like putting Jordan's picture in a story about Donaldson, the inflammatory #umrape hash tag, weaving Griz football into any unrelated sexual assault story and on and on. You cant un-ring that bell. That is unforgivable. I urge all Griz fans to cancel their subscription. And voice your displeasure with KUFM as well as Sally Mauk chose to use the Missoulian and Florio as their link to the Johnson trial. Further I hope UM athletics will ban the Missoulian from sports interviews of any kind. Give the Kiamin exclusive access they have been steady in their reporting of late.

I too hope Jordan will stay. He has 20,000+ friends who will support him.
 
PolsonGrizFan said:
If there were a NCAA loop hole to help Jordy out financially I sure would do it.

Couldn't we just send his parents money? The NCAA has no reason to stick their fat asses in that now do they?

That is exactly what I am going to do
 
puckshootr said:
PolsonGrizFan said:
If there were a NCAA loop hole to help Jordy out financially I sure would do it.

Couldn't we just send his parents money? The NCAA has no reason to stick their fat asses in that now do they?

That is exactly what I am going to do
If you are a booster in any way, including just being a season ticket holder, please don't do that. I think USC got in all of their trouble because an agent bought his parents a house. At least call the compliance officer at the U and ask if it's legal first.
 
JBS said:
puckshootr said:
PolsonGrizFan said:
If there were a NCAA loop hole to help Jordy out financially I sure would do it.

Couldn't we just send his parents money? The NCAA has no reason to stick their fat asses in that now do they?

That is exactly what I am going to do
If you are a booster in any way, including just being a season ticket holder, please don't do that. I think USC got in all of their trouble because an agent bought his parents a house. At least call the compliance officer at the U and ask if it's legal first.

Technically as of right now he is not on the team.
 
puckshootr said:
JBS said:
puckshootr said:
PolsonGrizFan said:
Couldn't we just send his parents money? The NCAA has no reason to stick their fat asses in that now do they?

That is exactly what I am going to do
If you are a booster in any way, including just being a season ticket holder, please don't do that. I think USC got in all of their trouble because an agent bought his parents a house. At least call the compliance officer at the U and ask if it's legal first.

Technically as of right now he is not on the team.
But he is on scholarship. Best just to call the compliance officer first.
 
Good advice JBS. One of the EGriz best and brightest will I am sure let us all know if, how and when we can help out. Lets not do anything too hasty that would affect his potential to play or cause the program difficulties.
 
I do not believe for a second she thought she was raped. I think she is nothing more than a jersey chaser who felt scorned, and was out for revenge. Once the train left the station, she couldn't do anything about trying to slow it down, short of admitting she perjured herself, and going to jail for it. As far as I am concerned she can rot in hell, she ruined a good person's life, along with his family, not to mention the employment of Jim O'Day, Robin Pflugrad, and Jim Foley. Let the lawsuits begin.
 
Buttegrizzle said:
Good advice JBS. One of the EGriz best and brightest will I am sure let us all know if, how and when we can help out. Lets not do anything too hasty that would affect his potential to play or cause the program difficulties.


Exactly. For the love of god people, don't go sending his parents money at this point. I am sure in good time it will be discussed by the university and the Johnson family as to what is and is not appropriate.
 
Very good first post KRO.

KRO said:
I am a first-time poster and an admitted Griz fan. Like so many others, I have been consumed by the Jordan Johnson trial, though I've never spoken publicly about it. I simply didn't know if the accusations were true and I believe I have kept an open mind throughout. Having followed the trial closely, however, and with testimony now wrapped up, I feel strongly Jordan is innocent. There are simply too many things that don't add up in the prosecution's case, and frankly much of their witness testimony seemed riddled with problems. Could Jordan have handled things better on the night of the alleged incident? Absolutely. He, himself, said as much. But who among us would not go back and do certain things we did when we were 19 or 20 years old differently if only we had the opportunity? With the furor over sexual assaults in Missoula, I believe Jordan was the victim of circumstance. And yes, some of that was of his own doing. But I do not, in any way, believe he is a rapist.

I lean this way as well but this last week I've been trying to decide if my opinions are biased because I'm a Griz fan. As I read the tweets and watch the TV reports I agree with what you're saying. As this all unfolds this strikes me as a night with a bad sexual experience. Compounded with the fact that he liked someone else, and I believe that quickly after the incident occurred Jane Doe did believe something wrong happened. Maybe regret for getting involved or regret for not speaking up. As I decipher all of the tweets it really comes down to the he said / she said of it - she claims she said no, he claims she didn't. There's no witnesses to back up either side of that story and very diluted/inconclusive evidence of physical trauma that could point to rape vs consensual. At that point this case seems to become a political agenda where she may have been pushed by over-zealous individuals to keep the case going. Thats pure speculation though.

KRO said:
I'm sure these final hours of the trial are the most stressful of what has been an incredibly stressful year for Jordan and his family. I have no idea of whether they will see this or not, but I want them to know I am sending prayers their way. I hope that in some small way that brings them comfort.

As the reality of this trial set in for me I've been keeping both the Johnson's and the accuser's family in my thoughts and prayers. Regardless the outcome both of these families lives are changed forever.

KRO said:
Let me be clear in saying that rape is a horrible crime, and if I believed that Jordan were guilty, I would not hesitate to say he belonged in prison--star quarterback or not. Football is just a game, and in the big picture of life, means nothing. But I do not believe he is a rapist.

I have no idea of what Jordan's plans are if he's acquitted, or what his enrollment status will be. I do know that by all reported accounts, the "honor court" at the university last spring was anything but. A judge told us that and the revelation has left me with serious questions about the leadership at the university. I wouldn't blame Jordan if he wanted to leave town and never return. But I, for one, hope he stays--and that university officials have the good sense to allow him to. Whether as a student, or a student athlete he would have my full support--and that of many others I know. I'm sure there would be some who would want to make that difficult as possible, but Jordan has shown he has the strength and character to fight through that.

If he is found not-guilty I'd support him in whatever decision he does. I know there's probably loyalty to his teammates, coaches, and those who have supported him. I also know that this case has divided the town and he'll probably find himself in uncomfortable situations with people that feel otherwise about him. If he left town after this I'd totally get it. I do hope he stays as well, we'll just have to see. First what the jury thinks and then move on from there.

KRO said:
Allow me to say that Jane Doe and her family have my prayers too. Though I am confident that this was not rape, I think in her mind she may actually believe that it was. I also think that others--many with good intentions, perhaps some with their own agendas--contributed to those beliefs. I'm sure this past year was painful for her and her family too, and I hope she gets the help she needs to deal with this situation. There will be no winners in this case. Regardless of the verdict, I urge everyone to use restraint and avoid making a difficult situation worse by harrassing the woman or attempting to belittle her. Despite what I'm sure have included feelings of anger, frustration and hurt, throughout this process, Jordan and his family have conducted themselves with honor and integrity. I'm certain they'd want others to do the same. Anything less would do them a great disservice.

100% agree

KRO said:
Finally, I would offer similar comments regarding Gwen Florio. Like others, I have what I believe are legitimate concerns about some of the Missoulian's reporting and how it may have played into this situation--and I say that as someone who holds a journalism degree from UM. But I have found some of the comments directed at her to be nothing short of repulsive. The substance of valid criticism will never be acknowledged if it's always deliverd with such vitriol. We can be better than that, Griz fans.

When all of this is over--and with any luck, that will be soon--I hope everyone takes a step back to reflect on what's transpired in the last year plus--and how we might do things differently going forward. That includes fans, media, university officials, regents and others. It's been one hell of an education, but there are still lessons to be learned.

Godspeed, Jordan.

:clap: :clap:

Again totally agree. There's disagreement with Florio, which is fine, but then there's the level that certain people (Special K aka Growler1 aka Steve Dill) who have stooped to a low that just doesn't belong. Posters can get mad and disagree with her professionalism, her writing style, her opinions. Fine and good, write about that - get mad, it's ok. Disagreement and the ability to post it is great.

But when posters put up posts that attack her and make it sexual or personal - that's where they cross the line. At that point the debate is dead. They've moved into a territory of being dirtbags and they've made a lot of us associated with being Griz fans and egriz posters look just like them.

I'm glad this is coming to an end for the sake of closure and moving forward. We will all know soon enough.
 
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