Stanford's David Shaw should be...

[1Griz_Fan]

Where did I say anything about Shaw being wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times??? I was only pointing out that Delenay was impressed with a team using the same philosophy of his by running the same plays over and over.

It may work well with Shaw but how did the Griz running plays do when they were stuck on repeat mode...just wondering because I'm pretty sure the Griz offense was way too predictable, which may work well for teams like the Cardinals that can actually execute the same play over and over but not so much for the Griz, at least when they played a solid team.

And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Please stop with this nonsense. This isn't true. UM's personnel wasn't meant to run a fast paced spread offense.

This very well could be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in forever.

We had one of the best spread offenses in the country in 2011, and (according to you) were JJ away from being undefeated in 2012 running the same spread offense (where we averaged more rushing yards per game than our new "power-run" offense), and suddenly we don't have the personnel to run the same spread? :lol:

I'd laugh harder if it wasn't so ridiculous. :roll:

JJ is capable of running various type of offenses. Never have I said UM would have been undefeated in 2012, with JJ, nor that UM didn't have the personnel to run the spread. I said 1GrizFan's statement that the personnel were meant only for the fast-paced spread was not correct. Most of the o-lineman were not meant only the spead, nor were the running backs, nor were the receivers, nor was JJ. The 2013 offense averaged more total offense and more points, than either 2012 or 2011.

If you want to have a discussion with me, stick to what I said (and don't make up stuff).

You are pretty funny PlayerRep. You get all bent out of shape saying others are making stuff up with your comments and you do the same with mine. I never said the players could only run the fast-paced spread offense but was suggesting that is what they are best suited for.

It would be like Oregon recruiting players for their style of play and then implementing Alabama's offense instead. To me a power run game would fit a power back like Dan Moore and Joey Counts much better than a smaller back but maybe that is just me. Spin these comments any way you wish in your next "lecture" :lol: I mean discussion. :roll:

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Not trying to be a dick, Grisly, but your post makes it sound like Stanford simply didn't have the players (i.e., quarterback) to overcome Michigan State's defense, but then you conclude Shaw was outcoached. That seems inconsistent - am I reading you wrong?

MSU decided to shut down Stanford's run game at any cost and had the personnel to do it. Shaw got out-coached when he stuck to his gameplan and refused to deviate. Live by the run, die by the run. Coaches who accept being mostly one dimensional, have to accept that it will cost them sometimes. That is what I meant. Oh yeah, and trying something different may not have mattered anyway but I guess we'll never know.

The points you make are exactly what cost Phenicie's offense in the national championship defeats and appears to be the current coaching staff's downfall too. Too predictable and one dimensional will catch up with them sooner or later and most likely when it matters most. Good post.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

I won't argue your points Grizfan1, but I will say, you better cover your eyes then cause the Griz are running the SAME offense with the SAME dudes next fall, and I for one can't WAIT to get to Laramie. Can't get here fast enough for me.

I am also excited for next season and look forward to seeing the same players and hopefully a couple standout freshman too. If I cover my eyes than I will not be able to predict the plays the offense will run over and over.

All joking aside, I hope the Griz can execute whatever plays their coaches call and return to playing Montana Grizzly football the way we all have become accustomed to and in many ways have taken for granted. Enjoy your trip to Laramie when it comes around.

 

[cclarkblues]

They were probably going to open up the playbook in the next game...

 

[PlayerRep]

Please stop with this nonsense. This isn't true. UM's personnel wasn't meant to run a fast paced spread offense.

This very well could be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in forever.

We had one of the best spread offenses in the country in 2011, and (according to you) were JJ away from being undefeated in 2012 running the same spread offense (where we averaged more rushing yards per game than our new "power-run" offense), and suddenly we don't have the personnel to run the same spread? :lol:

I'd laugh harder if it wasn't so ridiculous. :roll:

JJ is capable of running various type of offenses. Never have I said UM would have been undefeated in 2012, with JJ, nor that UM didn't have the personnel to run the spread. I said 1GrizFan's statement that the personnel were meant only for the fast-paced spread was not correct. Most of the o-lineman were not meant only the spead, nor were the running backs, nor were the receivers, nor was JJ. The 2013 offense averaged more total offense and more points, than either 2012 or 2011.

If you want to have a discussion with me, stick to what I said (and don't make up stuff).

You are pretty funny PlayerRep. You get all bent out of shape saying others are making stuff up with your comments and you do the same with mine. I never said the players could only run the fast-paced spread offense but was suggesting that is what they are best suited for.

It would be like Oregon recruiting players for their style of play and then implementing Alabama's offense instead. To me a power run game would fit a power back like Dan Moore and Joey Counts much better than a smaller back but maybe that is just me. Spin these comments any way you wish in your next "lecture" :lol: I mean discussion. :roll:

Okay, 1Griz, why don't you explain, with some detail, what this above/below comment of yours meant? Which UM players were "better-suited" to run the fast paced spread, rather than this past year's offense. Had you used "better-suited", I would have used the same term. That's what I assumed you meant, and that's what I meant. After you respond with specifics, then we can have some discussion. As I said earlier, I disagree that UM was running the '13 offense with players "better-suited" to run the fast paced thread.

"And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant [i.e. better suited] to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE."

 

[Hammer]

I always laugh at how easy people just throw out the "spread offense" term but don't really know what it means. How many would agree that Don Reads offense in the 90's was a spread offense? It was. The Griz have in their playbook and ran the "spread" a lot this year. I think a lot of you have confused the spread offense with spread option (Oregon). If you want to talk spread at least be specific there are so many forms of it.

 

[George Ferguson]

Hammer, totally agree, Griz ran a spread offense before it was called that. Glenn and Bobby ran spread/west coast hybrids, while Pflu switched the Griz to a true spread option.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I always laugh at how easy people just throw out the "spread offense" term but don't really know what it means. How many would agree that Don Reads offense in the 90's was a spread offense? It was. The Griz have in their playbook and ran the "spread" a lot this year. I think a lot of you have confused the spread offense with spread option (Oregon). If you want to talk spread at least be specific there are so many forms of it.

True. In recent years, however, we have also employed the spread defense at times. I am not as confident it will catch on like the spread offense.

 

[jodcon]

I always laugh at how easy people just throw out the "spread offense" term but don't really know what it means. How many would agree that Don Reads offense in the 90's was a spread offense? It was. The Griz have in their playbook and ran the "spread" a lot this year. I think a lot of you have confused the spread offense with spread option (Oregon). If you want to talk spread at least be specific there are so many forms of it.

True. In recent years, however, we have also employed the spread defense at times. I am not as confident it will catch on like the spread offense.

Spread defense...I like that. :lol:

Someone was talking about how bad their secondary was last year, called them "end zone escorts"...that was pretty good too.