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SFA Coach says DII's don't count.

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ronbo

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Quote from the Houston paper by SFA Coach Mike Santiago.

"I don't sit in that committee room, but I know what they told me, and Division IIs don't count," Santiago said. "We worked to get an entire Division I schedule."
 
Your so obsessed that you will quote just about anybody that sounds credible. Why don't you just kick back and wait till sunday. Three days from today.
 
ronbo said:
Quote from the Houston paper by SFA Coach Mike Santiago.

"I don't sit in that committee room, but I know what they told me, and Division IIs don't count," Santiago said. "We worked to get an entire Division I schedule."
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if he means that WINS vs DivII schools don't count then he's mostly right.

Losses will hurt no matter who they're too.

I think that's all pretty obvious stuff.
 
True Griz is right...the only way to know is to wait untill Sunday.

I think that without the loss to NDSU the Griz would be seeded one or two with just the double overtime loss to Idaho St. (Assuming of course that the Bobcats will once again fall victim to another Grizzly ass-whuppin...almost goes without saying). So I guess if the committee is really overlooking that game, then we can expect a one or two seed from the committee. Otherwise we can expect a 3 to 6 seed if they count the NDSU loss. I know they won't say 5 for 6, but somewhere in there is where we should be in their minds, if they count the NDSU game.
 
Well I must say I have brought the NCAA committee selection criteria to the table plus a quote from a credible insider that says "I know what they tell me".

What have you brought to the table True to back your statement "A Div. II loss costs a team bigtime"? Where's your proof?

With a win Saturday we are 10-2 with a Div. II game. Period. That is what they must consider only.

If they can't reward for a Div. II win then they can't penalize for a Div. II loss. They can only count the loss. That is the only penaty, the loss.
 
ronbo said:
Well I must say I have brought the NCAA committee selection criteria to the table plus a quote from a credible insider that says "I know what they tell me".

What have you brought to the table True to back your statement "A Div. II loss costs a team bigtime"? Where's your proof?

With a win Saturday we are 10-2 with a Div. II game. Period. That is what they must consider only.

If they can't reward for a Div. II win then they can't penalize for a Div. II loss. They can only count the loss. That is the only penaty, the loss.
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The proof will be this weekend Ronbo, if Griz do not make top 4 seed, it is because of the NDSU loss. If Griz make 4th seed, they would have been seeded higher if it weren't for loss to NDSU. In my opinion, and it is a good one, Griz would be pretty much a lock on the second seed, possibly the top seed. Right now, McNeese State, and Delaware will be placed higher then the Griz. Both schools have played stronger schedules without losing to a div II game, and McNeese State didn't play a div. II team. That 1A game they lost will help them. Actually, may be one of the biggest reasons they will be seeded number 1.

<b>Strength of schedule is a factor</b>, and a division II team is weak when it comes to schedule strength. Loss to Div II game hurts worse than a loss to a division 1 Game. Notice I didn't say loss to a div 1A or 1AA. It is combined. In addition, more consideration may be given to those teams that have played all division 1 teams (whether 1A or 1AA). Ronbo, if you can't understand that, I think you should tone down your obsession and just wait till Sunday.

The true fact is, none of us know where the Griz are going to be, but you can be sure, there will be another game in Missoula.
 
ronbo said:
Quote from the Houston paper by SFA Coach Mike Santiago.

"I don't sit in that committee room, but I know what they told me, and Division IIs don't count," Santiago said. "We worked to get an entire Division I schedule."
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Oh, and by the way, notice the coach said that he worked to get an entire Division I schedule.

I think that should give you a clue as to what he really meant, and the intention of the following criteria:


" The committee may give more consideration to those teams playing all Div. I opponents. "

The above sentence in quotes, specifically mentions division I, infering those with division II games may hurt their chances of placement in the bracket.


Also, this should give you a clue also:

"The won-loss record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, more than three losses will place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;"

A div II team team weakens a division 1 teams schedule. The criteria's that specifically mention schedules with division 1 games is specifically there for a purpose. It is there to motivate teams to strengthen their schedules with division 1AA or higher level teams on their schedules and reduce their games against lower division. Thus, playing lower division games hurts a team.


And if you really want proof, you can look at ISU last year. 8 - 3 record and didn't get in the playoffs. Why? They played two division II teams last year.
 
Everything you have brought up is the exact argument I have made. If you play a DII game it doesn't count.

So, ISU had a 6-3 record against DI competition. And didn't get in.

The same will happen to WKU this year, they are 6-3 vs. DI competition.

IF WE WIN SATURDAY we will be 10-1 vs DI competition. And our schedule is rated one of the toughest in the nation, including the DII game.

Colgate will get stung by all the NS games they played. Their league is basically a Div.III league. They won't get a top 4.

We are Number one in the GPI, a compilation of all the polls.
We have a very tough rated schedule.
We seat 23,350 fans and sellout and led the entire nation in attendance.
We finished the season as the most dominant team in 1AA. (Once again that is contingent on Saturday).


We get a top 4 seed, I see it as close to a lock as any other top contender.

#1 McNeese
#2 Delaware
#3 Wofford
#4 Montana

N. Iowa is a little scary, we have them beat in all the polls and they are 8-2 in DI games, so I think we beat them out.

S. Illinois will be shunned because they are not a Conference Auto-Bid.
Colgate will be shunned because they play 7 NS Games.
UMass will be shunned because they are not an Auto-Bid.


Did I miss anyone?
 
Lets not get carried away. Division II is not NAIA level. I believe Division III might be NAIA. Consider that Montana plays the maximum of 12 games. The one Division II game is a week off for many other teams. I personally believe NDS would beat many of the Patriot league, Ohio Valley, Southland, MEAC, etc. teams, especially early in the season before injuries would reduce the talent on the field for NDS. Losses hurt no matter what and wins may not count. It is just the way it is. To get a top 4, McNeese must lose to Nichols State and we need to make a big splat of the cats.
 
ronbo said:
Everything you have brought up is the exact argument I have made. If you play a DII game it doesn't count.

So, ISU had a 6-3 record against DI competition. And didn't get in.

The same will happen to WKU this year, they are 6-3 vs. DI competition.

IF WE WIN SATURDAY we will be 10-1 vs DI competition. And our schedule is rated one of the toughest in the nation, including the DII game.

Colgate will get stung by all the NS games they played. Their league is basically a Div.III league. They won't get a top 4.

We are Number one in the GPI, a compilation of all the polls.
We have a very tough rated schedule.
We seat 23,350 fans and sellout and led the entire nation in attendance.
We finished the season as the most dominant team in 1AA. (Once again that is contingent on Saturday).


We get a top 4 seed, I see it as close to a lock as any other top contender.

#1 McNeese
#2 Delaware
#3 Wofford
#4 Montana

N. Iowa is a little scary, we have them beat in all the polls and they are 8-2 in DI games, so I think we beat them out.

S. Illinois will be shunned because they are not a Conference Auto-Bid.
Colgate will be shunned because they play 7 NS Games.
UMass will be shunned because they are not an Auto-Bid.


Did I miss anyone?
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REally, everything. Not exactly. They do not toss out div II games. It may appear that way when a 1AA team beats a div II game. But the fact is, ISU didn't get in because of a weak schedule, not because they tossed out games against teams lower than 1AA.

Also, as Hogan stated in the paper, committee members have been bringing up the NDSU loss when talking about where Griz should be. Just the point that they are discussing it, means they are not tossing out division II games. Especially games where the higher division team lost.

But I will take it a little further here. If the Griz do not receive a number one or two seed, the NDSU loss has hurt the Griz. If the Griz won it, they would be at a minimum a 2 seed, and a likely number 1 seed.

And Ronbo, they will be comparing Griz with a 10 - 2 record if Griz win tomorrow. Not as a 10 - 1 record. But what is in Griz's favor is the 5 game streak which were on the dominant side.

And, as Hogan stated, top 4 seeds are the top 4 teams irregardless of region, attendance, etc.

If Griz win saturday, don't be surprised that both McNeese State and Montana are seeded. Win Saturday will make Griz the hottest thing out there, and should be seeded in top 4. Right now, I think seed 3 or 4. But if higher, the NDSU loss has been forgotten somewhat. But that doesn't mean the loss was tossed out at all.
 
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