HelenaHandBasket
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"We never looked at how many stars a guy had because you have to look at who's giving out the stars.. They don't know their ass from a handful of sand"
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Saban...nailed it
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mthoopsfan
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Saban's above comment also applies to what most posters say on a message board about football. "They don't know their ass from a handful of sand."
He’s a smart guy and elite coach. He could fix a lot of problems in college football if he had the power to do it. I agree with his statement here. However, that’s pretty easy to say when you’re stacking your roster with blue chip guys. His ratio blue chip guys during his tenure was 80-90%. Meaning the overwhelming majority of his roster was 4 and 5 star rated by the services which he was bashing. Guess they knew something, because he won what… 6 national titles at bama and 1 at LSU?
Now, did the recruiting services change their metrics based on who he recruited? I don’t have an answer for that, which could definitely skew it. It’s not like the talent he was recruiting wasn’t identified though. A little pandering to his own image on this one.
Also not even comparable to what Cignetti did at Indiana from a historic or brand standpoint.
Now, did the recruiting services change their metrics based on who he recruited? I don’t have an answer for that, which could definitely skew it. It’s not like the talent he was recruiting wasn’t identified though. A little pandering to his own image on this one.
Also not even comparable to what Cignetti did at Indiana from a historic or brand standpoint.
rocklobster
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Some days are worse than others, but you're right. Shit, everuone has bad posting days. Now and then I like to throw out arbitrary facts just to see if anyone actually reads my shit. It's my first amendment right to post absolutely asinine crap that is totally wrong.
alabamagrizzly
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Your spelling is asinine crap
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mthoopsfan
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Your stuff is good, and great by egriz standards.
rocklobster
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Thank you. Sarcasm works best for me, followed by obscure statistics. I appreciate your knowledge of sports, and the way that you absorb attacks from trolls and others.
“We don’t care about star ratings, we just happened to have more 5 and 4 star players under my staff than anyone else completely by chance.” lol
alabamagrizzly
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Wasn't one of Saban's Alabama teams the first ever to have a full two deep of 5 stars?
Yeah, he also over signed them above roster limits essentially cutting guys before the season so he could increase his Hit percentage on recruits.
Dont Kick 2 Bergen
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Imagine what a great coach could do with all that talent!
Ursus Horriblis
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…”it’s easy if you try…”
Oldskoolgriz
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Exactly!!!!! It's hilarious when a bunch of posters on here talk about incoming guys and how good they are because he was a 3 star in HS, but never even seen the guy play. Blows my mind how fans think a guy is going to be amazing because of that star BS. This is one of the reasons why many fans didn't think Ah Yat was anything special in the beginning even though some of us could see the writing on the wall. FYI, Ah Yat was a 0 star, go figure.
Miami wouldn't let Mendoza walk on.
Oldskoolgriz
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After reading this comment and listening to everything Curt Cignetti has done in his career, it reminds me of the 1980 USA hockey team coached by Herb Brooks. When he was choosing his Olympic team, all the sponsors were pissed at him because none of them had a say in who made the team, followed with he only chose college kids. When asked why some of the best players weren't picked, he said, I'm looking for the right kids, not the best.
"We never looked at how many stars a guy had because you have to look at who's giving out the stars.. They don't know their ass from a handful of sand"
This quote, applied to the weekly polls, highlights what I think of the polls and pollsters.
How many of you take any stock in what 'The Polls' say anymore?
This quote, applied to the weekly polls, highlights what I think of the polls and pollsters.
How many of you take any stock in what 'The Polls' say anymore?
406football
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Saban’s right about recruiting services — and it’s not a knock on them, it’s just how the system works.
Services openly admit their rankings are limited & subjective. They can’t evaluate everyone, and tons of legit players get missed.
Ratings often rise after big programs recruit a player. When Saban offered someone, analysts took a closer look and bumped ratings. That means the services were following him, not the other way around.
Services grade measurables — Saban grades what they can’t. They rely on size, speed, camps, etc., while Saban wins with processing, discipline, and fit.
His first class had zero 5‑stars. The 5‑star machine didn’t start until after he took control. That alone proves his evaluations drove the rankings, not the rankings driving him.
Bottom line: Saban didn’t succeed because the services were right — the services looked right because they adjusted to Saban’s choices. He identified the talent first.
Saban spoke quite a bit last season about recruiting. He credited a lot of his focus on what he learned coaching under Jerry Glanville at the Houston Oilers.
Glanville wanted his staff to identify which states relative to population were at the high school level producing athletes who became college and pro football talents. It wasn't about which states were most populous.
That's a pretty granular look with no Internet to fall back on.
Glanville wanted his staff to identify which states relative to population were at the high school level producing athletes who became college and pro football talents. It wasn't about which states were most populous.
That's a pretty granular look with no Internet to fall back on.
