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In the Missoulian this morning, it said that a LMU player was T'd up for throwing the ball of Chriswell as he was falling out of bounds.

Is that illegal now? If so, is this a recent change. We used to do it all the time.

THanks for any info.
 
Casey Durham got 'T'd up' for twisting his knee and falling down on a carroll player.

Gotta love the Big Sky refs.
 
wbtfg said:
Casey Durham got 'T'd up' for twisting his knee and falling down on a carroll player.

Gotta love the Big Sky refs.
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Funny, I'm hearing that went quite differently as a buddy of mine was one of the refs. He said that there was unquestionably some extra curricular activity on that play. And yes, if the referee decides that you meant harm by throwing the ball at an opponent, they can tee you up.I didn't see that play, so can't comment.
 
Obviously I am not a ref but, the play happened about 5 feet from me. It looked to me like the LMU player was just trying to save the ball inbounds & I was shocked he was T'ed up. However there may have been extra cirucular stuff going on before the play that led to the T. It seemed like Larry K. was non too pleased w/the officiating last night.
 
I was at the other end and did not see it. Must not of looked too good on location judging by crowd reaction but I do not think the LMU player had a lot of time to consider the options.
 
I didn't see who he was throwing the ball at. Actually I didn't even know he was trying to hit a player until I read the paper this morning. To me it looked like he was slamming the ball down because he was frustrated and got the technical.

He took the ball over his head with both hands and threw it down just about as hard as he could. That kid had a bad attitude all night and I think there were plays on the other end that might have led up to his technical.


As for Durham's technical: try taking off the blue and gold glasses. Ref's just don't hand out technicals for no reason. Something happened (shocker that it was Durham :rolleyes:) that caught the ref's attention.
 
Montana Gym Rat said:
As for Durham's technical: try taking off the blue and gold glasses. Ref's just don't hand out technicals for no reason. Something happened (shocker that it was Durham :rolleyes:) that caught the ref's attention.
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Initially it did look like it should have been a tech. The carroll guy was clearly fouled by casey, and then after the whistle was blown Casey fell on/tackled the guy. The ref had already turned his head away from the play towards the scoring table when it happened and just assumed that Casey tackeled the guy out of bounds when in fact his knee gave out on him.

There probably was some jawing between the two players throughout the game, but the ref was a little too quick on the trigger this time. He didn't truly understand what happend, instead the technical was given on the assumption that Casey intentionally tackled the guy.
 
So was/is Durham inured?

seems that might be a hint for the ref about whether it was deliberate or accidental...
 
grizpack said:
In the Missoulian this morning, it said that a LMU player was T'd up for throwing the ball of Chriswell as he was falling out of bounds.

Is that illegal now? If so, is this a recent change. We used to do it all the time.

THanks for any info.
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I don't think the rule has changed; if you saw the play, you would understand why it was given a Technical. The Griz player was not Criswell as reported, but Jordan Hasquet. Jordan got knocked over under the basket and was laying flat on his back when the LMU player slammed the the ball has hard as he could toward Hasquet -- I couldn't see exactly where the ball hit, but it looked like it was close to hitting him in the face. I thought Jordan was pretty lucky to not be injured on the play. It was much more than simply trying to knock the ball out of bounds off a player.
 
Mung said:
So was/is Durham inured?

seems that might be a hint for the ref about whether it was deliberate or accidental...
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shin on shin so he's limping a bit. all i have to say is...2 really fast guys running down the floor, casey fouls, refs call it, guys feet get tangled up, paulson is fine, casey is lying on the sideline hurting. not intentional, nothing dirty. casey says that kurt even told him he knew that casey didn't do it on purpose after the game. but he might have his blue and gold glasses on as well.
 
loyalgriz said:
wbtfg said:
Casey Durham got 'T'd up' for twisting his knee and falling down on a carroll player.

Gotta love the Big Sky refs.
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Funny, I'm hearing that went quite differently as a buddy of mine was one of the refs. He said that there was unquestionably some extra curricular activity on that play. And yes, if the referee decides that you meant harm by throwing the ball at an opponent, they can tee you up.I didn't see that play, so can't comment.
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i actually believe that. your buddy is a big sky ref....so he is horrible. i'm sure he does have a different version, just maybe not the right one.
 
twentythreeOh4 said:
I don't think the rule has changed; if you saw the play, you would understand why it was given a Technical. The Griz player was not Criswell as reported, but Jordan Hasquet. Jordan got knocked over under the basket and was laying flat on his back when the LMU player slammed the the ball has hard as he could toward Hasquet -- I couldn't see exactly where the ball hit, but it looked like it was close to hitting him in the face. I thought Jordan was pretty lucky to not be injured on the play. It was much more than simply trying to knock the ball out of bounds off a player.
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Exactly right. Our guy was flat on his back, and the LMU player threw it as hard as he could right at him. Hit on his right side, but he could have been really injured by it.
 
ilovethecats said:
loyalgriz said:
wbtfg said:
Casey Durham got 'T'd up' for twisting his knee and falling down on a carroll player.

Gotta love the Big Sky refs.
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Funny, I'm hearing that went quite differently as a buddy of mine was one of the refs. He said that there was unquestionably some extra curricular activity on that play. And yes, if the referee decides that you meant harm by throwing the ball at an opponent, they can tee you up.I didn't see that play, so can't comment.
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i actually believe that. your buddy is a big sky ref....so he is horrible. i'm sure he does have a different version, just maybe not the right one.
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Sounds like you know a lot about reffing. I'll back off, I had no idea I was dealing with an expert. My bad.
 
Montana Gym Rat said:
I didn't see who he was throwing the ball at. Actually I didn't even know he was trying to hit a player until I read the paper this morning. To me it looked like he was slamming the ball down because he was frustrated and got the technical.

He took the ball over his head with both hands and threw it down just about as hard as he could. That kid had a bad attitude all night and I think there were plays on the other end that might have led up to his technical.
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I saw the play very well. He was saving a ball from going out-of-bounds. He made a smart play. Her wasn't trying to hurt anyone or slamming the ball in frustration at all. Unfortunately for him it looked worse than his intentions I am sure. My buddy said he got T'ed because it hit Criswell in the "jewels", but I didn't see that and I'm not sure if it was Criswell or Hasquet who got drilled. It was a hustle play, period. He had no time to think about trying to hurt someone. He threw the ball hard yes, but not maliciously at all, in my mind. He was shocked he was T'ed as was I. The crowd reaction helped garner the "T" for sure.

The Griz were on the short-end of most calls in the first-half and this was a make-up call to some degree.
 
Zirg said:
Montana Gym Rat said:
I didn't see who he was throwing the ball at. Actually I didn't even know he was trying to hit a player until I read the paper this morning. To me it looked like he was slamming the ball down because he was frustrated and got the technical.

He took the ball over his head with both hands and threw it down just about as hard as he could. That kid had a bad attitude all night and I think there were plays on the other end that might have led up to his technical.
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I saw the play very well. He was saving a ball from going out-of-bounds. He made a smart play. Her wasn't trying to hurt anyone or slamming the ball in frustration at all. Unfortunately for him it looked worse than his intentions I am sure. My buddy said he got T'ed because it hit Criswell in the "jewels", but I didn't see that and I'm not sure if it was Criswell or Hasquet who got drilled. It was a hustle play, period. He had no time to think about trying to hurt someone. He threw the ball hard yes, but not maliciously at all, in my mind. He was shocked he was T'ed as was I. The crowd reaction helped garner the "T" for sure.

The Griz were on the short-end of most calls in the first-half and this was a make-up call to some degree.
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Considering the circumstances I think this is a reasonable explanation!! Seems fair to me.
 
As much as i wanted him to get T'd up for the play I didnt feel it was right, Maybe i didnt see correctly but it seemed to me that he was just trying to bounce the ball off of one of the griz to get possesion back, it just so happened that the griz player was on his back and the ball hit him in the face.

take it as you want...
 
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