Rob Oviatt leaving the program as S&T coach

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No, the only people that could claim a new weight room that might help the football team win more games is more important than an academics center... are people that sniff jocks and put the athletes up on a pedestal. Normal supporters of the university system recognize that the weight room would only be used by a tiny fraction of the students that are trying to get a degree from UM.

The statement that a weight room will help win more games and entice more good recruits, than an academic center, is absolutely true. Only an idiot could not agree with that. Even Engstrom would agree.

The statement that the

As for whether a new academic center is, at this point in time, more important for UM athletics and UM, let's see how many people sign on to saying the academic center is more important than the weight room to UM. I say the weight room. Feel free to line up your support that the new academic center is more important UM at this time, poorgriz.

Uh, what the hell are you talking about? I don't know what you're asking... but if you're asking what I think you're asking, why are you slipping in the "important for UM Athletics AND UM"? Of course a new weight room would be better for athletics. That's not the question. The question is what would better for UM as a whole. So if did a survey and asked 1,000 people that claim to support UM, regardless of their love or hate of football, basketball, volleyball, etc... the majority would say the academic center is more important to the university. No I don't have any facts to back this up. This is common sense. Most people aren't as passionate about their Alma Mater's football team like we are. Most people also don't understand the connection between success on the field and what that can do for the entire university, academics and all.

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics, or vice versa? I said it was clearly the weight room. Thanks for agreeing with me.

If you want to raise other topics or questions to be discussed, feel free to do so. Just don't try to put works in my mouth.

 

[tnt]

So the students can make do in the old academic center but can't make do in the existing weight room??? But wait there isn't an old academic center,the old academic center, the Jacobson Academic Center (referred to as the “Jack”), was a small room in the basement of the Adams Center. It was basically a couple of tables. After hiring two new softball coaches and an NCAA compliance assistant, the Jacobson Academic Center was turned into additional office space. I might add all three hires were necessary to insure Title IX and NCAA compliance (pretty important to athletics I would suspect) A new Lobby for Adams Center will be helpful also. I realize they don't play football in the Adams center........ But agin those other sports have to exist.

The student athletes of course are really up in arms:

http://www.montanakaimin.com/sports/article_4b7d3d46-20f4-11e3-b6d8-0019bb30f31a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[horribilisfan8184]

No, the only people that could claim a new weight room that might help the football team win more games is more important than an academics center... are people that sniff jocks and put the athletes up on a pedestal. Normal supporters of the university system recognize that the weight room would only be used by a tiny fraction of the students that are trying to get a degree from UM.

The statement that a weight room will help win more games and entice more good recruits, than an academic center, is absolutely true. Only an idiot could not agree with that. Even Engstrom would agree.

The statement that the

As for whether a new academic center is, at this point in time, more important for UM athletics and UM, let's see how many people sign on to saying the academic center is more important than the weight room to UM. I say the weight room. Feel free to line up your support that the new academic center is more important UM at this time, poorgriz.

Uh, what the hell are you talking about? I don't know what you're asking... but if you're asking what I think you're asking, why are you slipping in the "important for UM Athletics AND UM"? Of course a new weight room would be better for athletics. That's not the question. The question is what would better for UM as a whole. So if did a survey and asked 1,000 people that claim to support UM, regardless of their love or hate of football, basketball, volleyball, etc... the majority would say the academic center is more important to the university. No I don't have any facts to back this up. This is common sense. Most people aren't as passionate about their Alma Mater's football team like we are. Most people also don't understand the connection between success on the field and what that can do for the entire university, academics and all.

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics, or vice versa? I said it was clearly the weight room. Thanks for agreeing with me.

If you want to raise other topics or questions to be discussed, feel free to do so. Just don't try to put works in my mouth.

Got to agree with PR on this one. With O'Day's and Pflu's tools in his mouth, little room left for works or words....

 

[EverettGriz]

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics

No, no it isn't. The main point is what's best for the student-athlete as I stated on page one of this thread. THAT'S what coaches should value. And most on here (and in the public) seem to agree the academic center is more important to the overall success of the student-athlete.

 

[PlayerRep]

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics

No, no it isn't. The main point is what's best for the student-athlete as I stated on page one of this thread. THAT'S what coaches should value. And most on here (and in the public) seem to agree the academic center is more important to the overall success of the student-athlete.

Yes, coaches should generally want what's best for student-athletes. That doesn't mean that they should want a new academic center over a new weight room. If you took a poll of the football team, every single player would rather have a new weight room over the new academic center.

 

[poorgriz]

LOL!! Well that would certainly be an unbiased poll!

 

[Hammer]

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics

No, no it isn't. The main point is what's best for the student-athlete as I stated on page one of this thread. THAT'S what coaches should value. And most on here (and in the public) seem to agree the academic center is more important to the overall success of the student-athlete.

Yes, coaches should generally want what's best for student-athletes. That doesn't mean that they should want a new academic center over a new weight room. If you took a poll of the football team, every single player would rather have a new weight room over the new academic center.

and locker rooms, which is in the same project as the weight room. The academic center is a go, construction to begin soon and the new weight/locker rooms shortly behind. Lets just be happy UM is moving forward with improving facilities other than the stadium and stop the bickering.

 

[PlayerRep]

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics

No, no it isn't. The main point is what's best for the student-athlete as I stated on page one of this thread. THAT'S what coaches should value. And most on here (and in the public) seem to agree the academic center is more important to the overall success of the student-athlete.

Yes, coaches should generally want what's best for student-athletes. That doesn't mean that they should want a new academic center over a new weight room. If you took a poll of the football team, every single player would rather have a new weight room over the new academic center.

and locker rooms, which is in the same project as the weight room. The academic center is a go, construction to begin soon and the new weight/locker rooms shortly behind. Lets just be happy UM is moving forward with improving facilities other than the stadium and stop the bickering.

Has the academic center been bid out, and has a contractor been selected? I've been curious as to whether bids/costs will come in on target.

If the weight/locker room project is $12 million, it isn't going to be shortly behind unless the rumored huge donor falls out of the sky. That's alot of money. I hope I'm wrong, but I have wonder if there'll be a new weight/locker room available in the next 5 years. Maybe UM can put some platforms in the academic center.

 

[tnt]

Just a quick note about "academics" and coaches, PR. You are aware that every Montana Head Coach has a substantial portion of his incentive pay (which is almost equal to his base) tied directly to Graduation and GPA right???? In fact it pays better than an NC (not counting all the play off wins to get there) and is a wee bit easier to accomplish. They are very supportive of anything in that direction.

If they can't come in on this project on Budget something is terribly wrong. at over $400.00 sq ft.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Guys, I don't think it's an act. I think he really doesn't get it, and won't no matter how much sound logic you provide. Sometimes you just gotta walk away saying, "Well I did all I could, but, you know, it was PR and...".

Feel free to point out and quote one thing I said about this subject in this thread, that is not correct.

Can I simply copy/paste every post?

And PoorGriz is 100% right on this issue. As was MTJack. Which simply highlights the point that the only ones who feel the weight room is more important are jock sniffers. The rest of the population (e.g. the other 98%) understand what a state university is designed and tasked to do.

Make money, yeah I agree with that part

 

[WaGriz4life]

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics

No, no it isn't. The main point is what's best for the student-athlete as I stated on page one of this thread. THAT'S what coaches should value. And most on here (and in the public) seem to agree the academic center is more important to the overall success of the student-athlete.

It's so funny how you act like you are some big swinging dick in the athletic department and then you spout off things that EVERY single coach in the athletic department would disagree with. The Academic Center will NOT help our University. It will NOT help student athletes get better grades. We do not even have an academic support staff for student athletes like other schools. There is not one coach who thinks the Academic Center should have been a priority over a weight room.

The Academic Center is nothing more than a building with the word academic on it and will be a nice place for the athletes to hang out so they don't have to walk a hundred yards to the UC. This is a luxury, not a necessity like the weight room. The academic center will not help UM or UM athletics in any way. It is a luxury for athletes

 

[PlayerRep]

Just a quick note about "academics" and coaches, PR. You are aware that every Montana Head Coach has a substantial portion of his incentive pay (which is almost equal to his base) tied directly to Graduation and GPA right???? In fact it pays better than an NC (not counting all the play off wins to get there) and is a wee bit easier to accomplish. They are very supportive of anything in that direction.

If they can't come in on this project on Budget something is terribly wrong. at over $400.00 sq ft.

Don't think the academic part of the incentive pay is even close to the base pay. Even winning the NC isn't a big bonus. I'm commenting based on earlier head coach contracts, and don't know Delaney's.

Is the AC 2 stories with a basement? That's why I heard, but I haven't looked at the plans and don't know.

 

[tnt]

The entire incentive portion is high (about 60g). As I recall the academic portion is close to 15 G. Easily attainable with smart recruiting and oversite.

 

[PlayerRep]

The entire incentive portion is high (about 60g). As I recall the academic portion is close to 15 G. Easily attainable with smart recruiting and oversite.

Yes, that's in line with my recollection from several years ago. UM now has an academic advisor just for football. She started in the late summer. The new academic center will likely be useful and helpful, perhaps very useful/helpful, for her. Here's a link to her bio. http://www.gogriz.com/genrel/lindsey_goodman_850084.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[tnt]

The entire incentive portion is high (about 60g). As I recall the academic portion is close to 15 G. Easily attainable with smart recruiting and oversite.

Yes, that's in line with my recollection from several years ago. UM now has an academic advisor just for football. She started in the late summer. The new academic center will likely be useful and helpful, perhaps very useful/helpful, for her. Here's a link to her bio. http://www.gogriz.com/genrel/lindsey_goodman_850084.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sure the academic center will be a help her. Its a necessary thing - both the center and job. We had a pretty good scare a couple years ago. With increasing standards, things can go south in a hurry. I would think being the "academic advisor" might be a bit akin to herding cats. At least with an academic center , there is an opportunity to corral them.

 

[Big Northern Griz]

The Academic Center will help everybody. It will be an asset to the program and it will be valuable to the coaches and players, only if it is from a convenience standpoint. It's also something unique that other BSC programs have. For a recruit that is academically focused it gives us a leg up. Its just not as needed or as important as the weight rooms and locker rooms would be in my opinion.

 

[jcu27]

The main topic being discussed in this thread is whether the athletic academic center is more valuable than the weight room for UM athletics

No, no it isn't. The main point is what's best for the student-athlete as I stated on page one of this thread. THAT'S what coaches should value. And most on here (and in the public) seem to agree the academic center is more important to the overall success of the student-athlete.

It's so funny how you act like you are some big swinging dick in the athletic department and then you spout off things that EVERY single coach in the athletic department would disagree with. The Academic Center will NOT help our University. It will NOT help student athletes get better grades. We do not even have an academic support staff for student athletes like other schools. There is not one coach who thinks the Academic Center should have been a priority over a weight room.

The Academic Center is nothing more than a building with the word academic on it and will be a nice place for the athletes to hang out so they don't have to walk a hundred yards to the UC. This is a luxury, not a necessity like the weight room. The academic center will not help UM or UM athletics in any way. It is a luxury for athletes

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