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Question for the Griz

Eagle01

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Does UM have any plans to go 1-A? Why or why not? For those that read the southern connection, we have this debate every offseason, and I want to know if you guys have any plans to go "big time" (If you ask me 1-AA is big time, but no one ever asks me :(

Anyway, just curious about the thoughts of the Griz faithful.
 
Our athletic director has indicated that it has been discussed, but that there are no plans to do so. He indicated that he forsees a major reorganization of I-A within the next few years, and UM will probably wait and see what shakes out of that. Short answer - Yes it has been considered, no there are no plans to make the jump.

Everyone here is also aware of the miserable failures that Idaho and Utah State have been in I-A. I think that has been a major deterant. If Idaho had been successful at it, I think the AD would be a little more open to it.
 
whether the Administration is thinking of not going or going, that subject has been discussed so many times in the past on just about every Griz message board. So, no different here than it is with you guys.

In addition, I believe there is a moratorium on schools moving up till around 2005 or so.
 
I'm with ya eagle, 1-AA is big time. I wish 1-AA would get more respect. I hate listening to these ESPN guys trying to comment on 1-AA football. They are, for the most part, ignorant about the level of play. They should at least give the top 10 teams some air time. They deserve it more than Wyoming, Idaho, and other 1-A bottom feeders. I guess though that mainly the top 25 teams in 1-A get all the media benefits, and I wouldn't put 1-AA in with them, but a little recognition other than the last 3 games of the year would be nice.
As to your question, that has already been answered, I sure as hell hope we don't go 1-A untill we know we can be more than just another Idaho. I think we could elevate to the level of Boise State, and that would be nice.
 
Boise State. A good example of a 1-AA team moving up and doing awesome. I am a life long Griz fan/Montanan who moved to Boise 3 years ago. The obvious benefit of being 1-A is all the great teams that you get to play. I've seen Fresno St., Washington State and Hawaii play here. The downside is just what the previous post said. The Humanitarian Bowl is as good as it gets for Boise State. Even this year with as great of a team as Boise had, they had no options except the Humanitarian Bowl. They are #15 in the country and have absolutely no chance at winning a national title. I am still a 1-AA fan. There's nothing better than a playoff system and having a program that could win the National title every year. Anyway.......that's my two cents!
 
The only way I would favor a move to I-A is if Montana could be in the Pac-10. Now before you outsiders who browse this board accuse me of being an arrogant Griz fan, I will admit that there is about a 0.1% chance of that ever happening.

Any school that moves into I-A and settles for a lesser conference affiliation (Sun Belt, MAC, WAC) must understand that they will never truly be a major program even though they are I-A in name. The money is all in the BCS schools. Even the worst teams in those conferences get a share of the wealth. I consider the Mountain West to be a quality conference, but you can't even compare the money that those schools make (or lose) to the revenues from the BCS conferences. The Mountain West is also not a very stable conference. It just might eventually do to itself what the "old WAC" did by watering down the quality of the conference by adding lesser teams.

The only reasons I can think of that the Pac-10 might invite Montana (and they aren't even good reasons) are:
1. Montana was member from the 1920's through the 1950's
2. Montana has the so-called "big-name" recognition that I-A teams like San Diego State or North Texas lack. There's no "Eastern" or "Northern" moniker in our name, and we are the major university of our state, just like the U. of Washington and the U. of Oregon are in their states.
3. There is healthy and growing fan support in football, enough so that the stadium will expand by 4,000 seats for next season. Suddenly 30,000 doesn't seem so far off. In reality though, it is probably years down the road.

There are many more reasons that the Pac-10 would never invite Montana. I probably couldn't think of all of them. For starters, we play in about the smallest TV market you can find, we would not be able to recruit that talent needed to compete with BCS institutions, and our enrollment would be miniscule with the likes of Cal, USC and all those other schools.

Believe me, there would be nothing more thrilling than to see the Griz take on the Pac-10 teams as peers, even if we were perennially the last-place team. But as a general rule, I-AA schools that make the move up fall victim to the system and become the "cupcakes" that appear every year on Kansas State's non-conference schedule. No one respects those teams. I can think of three exceptions; Marshall, Boise State, and Connecticut. I say Connecticut only because they will be joining the Big East in 2005 and have improved every year since their first season in I-A. The only reason they are the first former I-AA team to move into a BCS conference is because they are already a member in all other sports. Lucky them.

Right now it is best for Montana to stay the course. I'm happy with things as they are now, and at this point a move to I-A would be way too risky. Maybe many years down the road it will be worth considering. It's not worth it to become like Idaho, Middle Tennessee, UL-Monroe, or any of those other teams that used to be winners in I-AA but are now the laughingstock of major college football.

Sorry about the long post, everybody. I'm just answering Eagle01's original question.
 
Eagle01,

You are so right, I-AA is big time, and the road to the 2003 National Championship is a one way street. That one way street, along with the road to the NC goes through Missoula, Montana. GO GRIZ!!!
 
Great teams = Fresno State, WSU, Hawaii??????? :o :o :o

I guess it is all in your definition of great.

Personally, I would rather play for a national championship any time at any level than have a trip to Boise in December to play on smurf turf be your ultimate reward at the end of the season.
 
I probably shouldn't have said "Great" teams. What i meant was that they're good teams and maybe "great" in comparison to Southern Utah,Montana State,Cal Poly,etc.etc. Sorry Grizpack, thanks for calling me on it!
 
1AA does seem to be on the down side lately. All of the TV and ESPN radio guys downplay any player from the system even though some of the top players in the NFL have come from 1AA. Payton…Rice…the list is large I always enjoy the Monday night game introductions because there is always a starter on both sides of the ball from the smaller schools. When I see a small crowd at GSU for a semi game…a Friday afternoon NC game that few watch… I know the system is in trouble. Maybe that’s why “couldn’t get out of town fast enough” Glenn bolted… he saw the future.
 
I don't think moving up to 1-A is a smart move. Firstly, as has been mentioned, we'd be in a poor conference that would still get no air time on TV. Second, I think we'd have a better chance of playing Pac-10 teams now, than we would if we moved up and struggled. And finally, there is the Bowl system V the playoff system. I much prefer the playoff system and have discussed 1-A changing to it at length with a couple of guys at work. It will never happen, or not until they change the conference compositions anyway. The logistics of it don't work, and financially, its a bad move.

In saying all that though, I think what really needs to happen is a shake-up of the people running 1-AA football. I really don't think they are doing their jobs properly. It can be marketed a whole lot differently to what it is. It has a lot of potential on TV... There a just as many fans nation-wide of 1-AA teams, than of 1-A. Before you dispute it, just think that a lot of the fans of 1-A schools either attended or know someone that attended a 1-AA school and support the 1-A team because its 'cooler' to do so, or because thats now where they live etc. In my opinion, the problem is the 1-AA head honchos, not the schools, locations or populations. A lot of schools in 1-AA have comparable local populations to what professional teams here in Australia have...and yet we market ours different to the way the 1-AA is and get the higher crowds. Its all in the marketing and the way you sell yourself... be it to the public or to the TV companies.

Hopefully someone with the influence to do something about it sees it and does something soon.

Cheers,
 
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