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[ilovethecats]

as i said, it's mainly my mom who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. although i did major in both criminal justice and sociology as i thought my path in life would follow in her footsteps. although, her specialty is dealing with women victims and the issues that come in situations like these, i focused on neglected kids and seperate issues. i am no longer in that field and couldn't be doing something more opposite than my current line of work. so i am far from an expert on these matters.

i do recall something i learned early in the game when i was involved in social work that i think fits here perfectly to back up my previous statements. people have questions for the "victim" and they are certainly justified. and in this case, it is in fact possible that jj might in fact be the victim. we don't know. anyway, i agree it's fair to ask why the women didn't scream for help or why she didn't rush to the police. but to disregard her claims because of these factors is shortsighted. and one could make similar assumptions about jj. why isn't he being more vocal about the situation? why hasn't he come out to the papers or news to proclaim his innocence? why hasn't he sued the woman for false accusations? why hasn't he turned his phone over to the police to search his calls and texts? how come he hasn't found several witnesses to offer up an alibi yet? do i expect him to do these things? of course not. that is my point.

it's fine to ask questions of the accuser, and it's just as fine to ask questions of the accused. but to be so naieve to dismiss the claims simply because the alleged victim didn't scream for help or rush to the police is wrong. there are tens of thousands of victims in this country of all sorts of crimes from rape to child abuse that never reported to the police, or only did so after years and years. it's not uncommon at all and it's unfortunate.

 

[indian-outlaw]

This is exactly why Florio's hit piece on egriz has more than a modicum of truth.

Doesn't matter what she did as long as she let him know she did not want to do it, if any appendage broke any orifice in her body he has an uphill battle for sure.

But that goes to the question of whether or not "she didn't want him to do it". If someone is doing something to you and you don't want that person doing that action to you, and you have friends in the vicinity, it's a fair question to ask why you didn't ask for help from your friends.

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

Although she did not go to the police right away, I believe she went to the rape crisis center that night and had a rape test done. Not sure how it's all going to play out but I think the DA's office is still gathering evidence and deciding how to proceed.

 

[tampa_griz]

What starting QB needs to rape his x? Plus yeah don't you think she would of yelled stop or screamed? Or called the cops right away and he would of been arrested that night? Why wouldn't UM take in JJ's evidence/character witnesses? If someone was raped in a place with other people there I'm sure that person who was informed would of atleast called the cops. Why wouldn't she? Or helped in any sort of way. Sounds like a complete bullshit story out of jealousy. She may have thought she was raped after it was done and she wanted to be in a relationship again, but he didn't. Jealous xs will do a lot of dumb shit.

You are not a real person. You just aren't.

It's the Ho's and B's crowd point of view. Always been around always will be around. I just can't tell if the crowd is getting bigger or small?

I honestly just don't think that was an honest post. It's 2012. No rationale adult talks like that.

 

[GrizMusician]

Doesn't matter what she did as long as she let him know she did not want to do it, if any appendage broke any orifice in her body he has an uphill battle for sure.

But that goes to the question of whether or not "she didn't want him to do it". If someone is doing something to you and you don't want that person doing that action to you, and you have friends in the vicinity, it's a fair question to ask why you didn't ask for help from your friends.

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

Although she did not go to the police right away, I believe she went to the rape crisis center that night and had a rape test done. Not sure how it's all going to play out but I think the DA's office is still gathering evidence and deciding how to proceed.

....Nope...

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[Blgs Griz Fan]

Does the friend who received the text message have any sort of legal obligation to report the incident to the police? In not doing so is that person a party to the crime?

 

[Ursus1]

Football forum ...not a rape forum. Bottom line is they voted 7-0 to oust him and president backed it. He is history ....so back to topic ...who is next QB?

 

[indian-outlaw]

But that goes to the question of whether or not "she didn't want him to do it". If someone is doing something to you and you don't want that person doing that action to you, and you have friends in the vicinity, it's a fair question to ask why you didn't ask for help from your friends.

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

Although she did not go to the police right away, I believe she went to the rape crisis center that night and had a rape test done. Not sure how it's all going to play out but I think the DA's office is still gathering evidence and deciding how to proceed.

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Yep!

 

[jcu27]

I am a robot. Obviously. Anyways though JJ needs to get a good lawyer or at least a different one. This case would be easily dismissed in the right hands.

you obviously know nothing about Paoli, he is an outstanding lawyer. did you even read the judge's comment's? :roll:

I wouldn't say someone being payed a crap ton and doesn't provide any justice for his client is a good lawyer. He sounds like a settler to me and not really wanting to fight as much as possible. Many guilty people are found innocent, you know why? Because lack of evidence and a good lawyer. Know what JJ has? Lack of evidence and a bad lawyer. I don't care if I know him or not. Because you know someone doesn't make them a good lawyer. Get real.

 

[Brock Landers]

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I'd be curious to know how you know what he has

 

[GrizMusician]

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

Although she did not go to the police right away, I believe she went to the rape crisis center that night and had a rape test done. Not sure how it's all going to play out but I think the DA's office is still gathering evidence and deciding how to proceed.

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Yep!

...Nope... if there was a rape kit this case would be open & shut.

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[Twincitysgriz]

Although she did not go to the police right away, I believe she went to the rape crisis center that night and had a rape test done. Not sure how it's all going to play out but I think the DA's office is still gathering evidence and deciding how to proceed.

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Yep!

...Nope... if there was a rape kit this case would be open & shut.

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Read The Decision of the University Court. Bullets 13,14,15 and 16. She went the next morning and was examined.

 

[ilovethecats]

:lol:

as always, this thread is turning out to be pretty entertaining.

 

[Brock Landers]

:lol:

as always, this thread is turning out to be pretty entertaining.

This is the first time I've made a post in this series of threads. Every single one has been cringeworthy :?

 

[indian-outlaw]

:lol:

as always, this thread is turning out to be pretty entertaining.

The situation is very unfortunate for all parties involved. It's a little cheap to be making light of it about being pretty good entertainment.

 

[ilovethecats]

:lol:

as always, this thread is turning out to be pretty entertaining.

The situation is very unfortunate for all parties involved. It's a little cheap to be making light of it about being pretty good entertainment.

where did i say anything about the situation? i said this thread. like all threads here, it is filled with experts, misinformation, and cluelessness.....

relax.

 

[doebrmn]

The question that is not being discussed is whether the Commissioner upholds the decision. If he does, then the student (because of course we don't know who this student is) will be expelled. While there may be a lawsuit, that will not change the fact that this student will not be eligible to participate on any university athletic team. Given the University's willingness to accept litigation exposure, my sense is the Commiss will probably not go against the decision. Also, unfortunately for this student, now that this is all publically known, if the Commiss does go against the decision it will clearly be seen as a public slap against the Pres and the student tribunal, making it less likely. If this was never known, the Commiss could simply reverse the decision and no one would be none the wiser.

As for a potential suit (assuming no criminal charges are brought), this student will have to weigh whether he wants to have a public hearing of all the details while he tries to find a new place to go to school and, if this student has the talent, to perform on an athletic team. It is one thing to remove a student and all the various arguments that can be made if it is right or wrong, quite another for a school to accept the student and give him the opportunity. Nothing requires another school to accept his application for admission and give him the opportunity to compete on an athletic team. With a potential public hearing on the matter, should this student decide to pursue a claim against UM, schools may well be disinclined to take that chance. On the other hand, if there are no criminal charges and the student doesn't plan on having a public hearing on the issues, he may well improve the likelihood of another school admitting him and giving him financial assistance to compete on an athletic program (again assuming this particular student has the necessary athletic skill set). This is going to be a tough decision to make.

 

[tampa_griz]

:lol:

as always, this thread is turning out to be pretty entertaining.

The situation is very unfortunate for all parties involved. It's a little cheap to be making light of it about being pretty good entertainment.

where did i say anything about the situation? i said this thread. like all threads here, it is filled with experts, misinformation, and cluelessness.....

relax.

+1.

I make a lot of meth jokes. Inevitably someone knows someone, or is related to someone, that got hooked on it and ruined their lives. They don't think meth jokes are funny. But everything offends somebody. Besides, we're just a bunch of tools arguing anonymously on a message board.

 

[Zootown Rox]

But this thread is about a specific case. It's probably a stretch to think that the assailant was threatening the alleged victim into keeping quiet. He let her use her cell phone to send text messages as she was giving him a ride home.

But I agree that it's probably normal for acquaintance-rape victims to not immediately contact law enforcement after the attack.

I agree with that. But I don't agree that it's very common for rape victims not to fight of their attacker or call for help.

Based on what? Do you have years of experience dealing with rape victims? Please, leave it at 'I have a hard time believing that, but I guess you are right' and stick to talking about football.

 

[bisonboone11]

But this thread is about a specific case. It's probably a stretch to think that the assailant was threatening the alleged victim into keeping quiet. He let her use her cell phone to send text messages as she was giving him a ride home.

But I agree that it's probably normal for acquaintance-rape victims to not immediately contact law enforcement after the attack.

I agree with that. But I don't agree that it's very common for rape victims not to fight of their attacker or call for help.

Based on what? Do you have years of experience dealing with rape victims? Please, leave it at 'I have a hard time believing that, but I guess you are right' and stick to talking about football.

I believe he said that his mother has years of experience dealing with rape victims.

 

[indian-outlaw]

:lol:

as always, this thread is turning out to be pretty entertaining.

The situation is very unfortunate for all parties involved. It's a little cheap to be making light of it about being pretty good entertainment.

where did i say anything about the situation? i said this thread. like all threads here, it is filled with experts, misinformation, and cluelessness.....

relax.

+1.

I make a lot of meth jokes. Inevitably someone knows someone, or is related to someone, that got hooked on it and ruined their lives. They don't think meth jokes are funny. But everything offends somebody. Besides, we're just a bunch of tools arguing anonymously on a message board.

Peace! Lets go pass the pipe around the teepee.