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[WaGriz4life]

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

nah...those are definitely fair questions. however, there are certainly scenarios in which victims don't make any noise when they are being attacked. if a guy has the balls to rape a chick with people around, who's to say what else he'd do? what if he told her not to make a sound or he'd hurt her? what if he said if she tells anyone he'd kill her? i'm not speaking of this case specifically as i have made it a point to not chime in. too many people are so blinded by a football rivalry that if a fan of another team dares to chime in they immediately disregard it as trash talk. but in GENERAL terms.....it's very common for rape victims to not only not scream for help...but also not report the rape for a long time. and many times...not report it at all....

I find that very hard to believe.

 

[tampa_griz]

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

nah...those are definitely fair questions. however, there are certainly scenarios in which victims don't make any noise when they are being attacked. if a guy has the balls to rape a chick with people around, who's to say what else he'd do? what if he told her not to make a sound or he'd hurt her? what if he said if she tells anyone he'd kill her? i'm not speaking of this case specifically as i have made it a point to not chime in. too many people are so blinded by a football rivalry that if a fan of another team dares to chime in they immediately disregard it as trash talk. but in GENERAL terms.....it's very common for rape victims to not only not scream for help...but also not report the rape for a long time. and many times...not report it at all....

But this thread is about a specific case. It's probably a stretch to think that the assailant was threatening the alleged victim into keeping quiet. He let her use her cell phone to send text messages as she was giving him a ride home.

But I agree that it's probably normal for acquaintance-rape victims to not immediately contact law enforcement after the attack.

 

[ilovethecats]

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

nah...those are definitely fair questions. however, there are certainly scenarios in which victims don't make any noise when they are being attacked. if a guy has the balls to rape a chick with people around, who's to say what else he'd do? what if he told her not to make a sound or he'd hurt her? what if he said if she tells anyone he'd kill her? i'm not speaking of this case specifically as i have made it a point to not chime in. too many people are so blinded by a football rivalry that if a fan of another team dares to chime in they immediately disregard it as trash talk. but in GENERAL terms.....it's very common for rape victims to not only not scream for help...but also not report the rape for a long time. and many times...not report it at all....

I find that very hard to believe.

that's fine. however, my mom has been a social worker dealing with issues like these for more than 30 years and she has a great amount of knowledge in rape cases. in fact, she goes to trial fairly regularly in cases like these to give her perspectives. it is very common for women to not only not scream for help, but also to not report the crime. always out of fear.

again...i'm not saying this is the case with the jj thing. i have made it a point to hardly even follow the rumors regarding him because none of us know. but i'll stand by my assessment on female victims of rape.

 

[WaGriz4life]

That is more than a fair question. Another question is why didn't she go to the hospital and/or police that night if she was indeed raped? Why did she wait until months after, and after allegations of sexaul assaults by other football players surfaced. But of course I'm a sexist bigot for questioning anything the accuser says.

nah...those are definitely fair questions. however, there are certainly scenarios in which victims don't make any noise when they are being attacked. if a guy has the balls to rape a chick with people around, who's to say what else he'd do? what if he told her not to make a sound or he'd hurt her? what if he said if she tells anyone he'd kill her? i'm not speaking of this case specifically as i have made it a point to not chime in. too many people are so blinded by a football rivalry that if a fan of another team dares to chime in they immediately disregard it as trash talk. but in GENERAL terms.....it's very common for rape victims to not only not scream for help...but also not report the rape for a long time. and many times...not report it at all....

But this thread is about a specific case. It's probably a stretch to think that the assailant was threatening the alleged victim into keeping quiet. He let her use her cell phone to send text messages as she was giving him a ride home.

But I agree that it's probably normal for acquaintance-rape victims to not immediately contact law enforcement after the attack.

I agree with that. But I don't agree that it's very common for rape victims not to fight of their attacker or call for help.

 

[ilovethecats]

and to get even more graphic, people often wonder how it's even possible for rapists to force a girl to give him head. seems like a women in that position could cause some SERIOUS damage to their attacker. however, out of fear, this is also a common practice. again...if a guy cares so little about consequesnces that he'd rape a women.....who's to guess where he'd draw the line?

 

[tampa_griz]

and to get even more graphic, people often wonder how it's even possible for rapists to force a girl to give him head. seems like a women in that position could cause some SERIOUS damage to their attacker. however, out of fear, this is also a common practice. again...if a guy cares so little about consequesnces that he'd rape a women.....who's to guess where he'd draw the line?

Of course. But in those circumstances there's often a serious threat....overt or implied. I just don't see that here. If the alleged victim is confident enough in her safety to send text messages to her friends, she's probably not too afraid to yell for help.

I'm not declaring anyone innocent or anyone else a liar. But they're fair questions to ask if you want to send someone to prison.

 

[ilovethecats]

and to get even more graphic, people often wonder how it's even possible for rapists to force a girl to give him head. seems like a women in that position could cause some SERIOUS damage to their attacker. however, out of fear, this is also a common practice. again...if a guy cares so little about consequesnces that he'd rape a women.....who's to guess where he'd draw the line?

Of course. But in those circumstances there's often a serious threat....overt or implied. I just don't see that here. If the alleged victim is confident enough in her safety to send text messages to her friends, she's probably not too afraid to yell for help.

I'm not declaring anyone innocent or anyone else a liar. But they're fair questions to ask if you want to send someone to prison.

ya definitely no disagreement there tampa. it's why i have treaded lightly on this subject. in the case of jj it DOES seem unlikely that this is how it played out. but just as i think it's fair to ask these questions, i also think it's reasonable to see the other side. and the truth is that many victims don't scream for halp. and washgriz can certainly disagree with me, but based on facts i know...i stand by what i said.

 

[Raider]

There is far more to this story than what was in the article, as usual. Pay special attention to the portion where the judge comments on the proceeding. Paoli was the one who requested a dismissal. The legal portion of this is far from over kids.

Sounds like the judge didn't like the change in standards of proof that were implemented ex post facto. Exactly what I said was wrong with the proceeding.

Exactly! Not to mention the fact that the defendant was not allowed to submit other exculpatory evidence that they have. I ever there was a Kangaroo Court, this is just that. How foolish will UM look if it expels him, and he is never even charged in a court of law. The resulting lawsuit will make the settlements paid to O'Day, Pflugrad, and Foley look like chump change.

Couture came into the hearing WITH the plaintiff despite the fact he was supposed to be the neutral chair of the hearing. Typical academic moron, no clue about how real life hearings are supposed to be conducted.

Have any of you ever met Charles? Wow.

There could not have been a more inappropriate, biased person to be sitting in that room……..and he was the fu-king chair of the committee.

JJ was done like dinner the minute he stepped in the room.

 

[tampa_griz]

and to get even more graphic, people often wonder how it's even possible for rapists to force a girl to give him head. seems like a women in that position could cause some SERIOUS damage to their attacker. however, out of fear, this is also a common practice. again...if a guy cares so little about consequesnces that he'd rape a women.....who's to guess where he'd draw the line?

Of course. But in those circumstances there's often a serious threat....overt or implied. I just don't see that here. If the alleged victim is confident enough in her safety to send text messages to her friends, she's probably not too afraid to yell for help.

I'm not declaring anyone innocent or anyone else a liar. But they're fair questions to ask if you want to send someone to prison.

ya definitely no disagreement there tampa. it's why i have treaded lightly on this subject. in the case of jj it DOES seem unlikely that this is how it played out. but just as i think it's fair to ask these questions, i also think it's reasonable to see the other side. and the truth is that many victims don't scream for halp. and washgriz can certainly disagree with me, but based on facts i know...i stand by what i said.

Definitely. There could also be another reasonable explanation (besides fear) as to why there wasn't a cry for help. I'd just like to hear it.

As always, these incidents are the toughest to sort out. I remember three of them when I was in school. Two accusations were made against the same student by different women in different assaults. The other two happened at a fraternity house. All of those cases were pleaded down to lesser charges (criminal endangerment I think). When you have alcohol and no witnesses it's just not easy.

 

[jcu27]

What starting QB needs to rape his x? Plus yeah don't you think she would of yelled stop or screamed? Or called the cops right away and he would of been arrested that night? Why wouldn't UM take in JJ's evidence/character witnesses? If someone was raped in a place with other people there I'm sure that person who was informed would of atleast called the cops. Why wouldn't she? Or helped in any sort of way. Sounds like a complete bullshit story out of jealousy. She may have thought she was raped after it was done and she wanted to be in a relationship again, but he didn't. Jealous xs will do a lot of dumb shit.

 

[grizcountry420]

What starting QB needs to rape his x? Plus yeah don't you think she would of yelled stop or screamed? Or called the cops right away and he would of been arrested that night? Why wouldn't UM take in JJ's evidence/character witnesses? If someone was raped in a place with other people there I'm sure that person who was informed would of atleast called the cops. Why wouldn't she? Or helped in any sort of way. Sounds like a complete bullshit story out of jealousy. She may have thought she was raped after it was done and she wanted to be in a relationship again, but he didn't. Jealous xs will do a lot of dumb shit.

hmmmmmmm...... :roll:

 

[tampa_griz]

What starting QB needs to rape his x? Plus yeah don't you think she would of yelled stop or screamed? Or called the cops right away and he would of been arrested that night? Why wouldn't UM take in JJ's evidence/character witnesses? If someone was raped in a place with other people there I'm sure that person who was informed would of atleast called the cops. Why wouldn't she? Or helped in any sort of way. Sounds like a complete bullshit story out of jealousy. She may have thought she was raped after it was done and she wanted to be in a relationship again, but he didn't. Jealous xs will do a lot of dumb shit.

You are not a real person. You just aren't.

 

[ilovethecats]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

literally just had water come out of my nose. great stuff. :thumb:

 

[jcu27]

I am a robot. Obviously. Anyways though JJ needs to get a good lawyer or at least a different one. This case would be easily dismissed in the right hands.

 

[bisonboone11]

Of course. But in those circumstances there's often a serious threat....overt or implied. I just don't see that here. If the alleged victim is confident enough in her safety to send text messages to her friends, she's probably not too afraid to yell for help.

I'm not declaring anyone innocent or anyone else a liar. But they're fair questions to ask if you want to send someone to prison.

ya definitely no disagreement there tampa. it's why i have treaded lightly on this subject. in the case of jj it DOES seem unlikely that this is how it played out. but just as i think it's fair to ask these questions, i also think it's reasonable to see the other side. and the truth is that many victims don't scream for halp. and washgriz can certainly disagree with me, but based on facts i know...i stand by what i said.

These are all fair questions to ask, and I wouldn't think this would be a situation where the female felt too afraid to yell for help.
"ilovethecats" - maybe you could shed a little light on this, since it sounds like you have some knowledge on this topic. Couldn't it be possible that a woman in that situation would feel too embarrassed/ashamed to scream and let everyone in the area know what was going on? Maybe at the time, she felt like although she had said no, the embarrassment would be worse than the situation itself, especially since they had engaged in sexual activities prior to this event (if this is the JJ case). I have heard that some women don't ever report a rape or wait a long time to report it because they are too ashamed (even though it's not their fault).

I have absolutely no idea what happened in the case in question, but if it's true that the female sent a text message immediately after saying she thought she had been raped and waited several months to report it to the authorities, couldn't this indicate that she was too ashamed/uncomfortable to come forward? Also, maybe she felt like it would just get dismissed since she may not have physically tried stopping him. Again, I have absolutely no idea what happened in this particular situation, and I am by no means accusing JJ of anything. He could very well be innocent in this.

 

[grizcountry420]

I am a robot. Obviously. Anyways though JJ needs to get a good lawyer or at least a different one. This case would be easily dismissed in the right hands.

Yea. A good lawyer could sniff out when a bitch be lying to get the dick but when she doesnt want the dick, she cries rape..

 

[jagur1]

What starting QB needs to rape his x? Plus yeah don't you think she would of yelled stop or screamed? Or called the cops right away and he would of been arrested that night? Why wouldn't UM take in JJ's evidence/character witnesses? If someone was raped in a place with other people there I'm sure that person who was informed would of atleast called the cops. Why wouldn't she? Or helped in any sort of way. Sounds like a complete bullshit story out of jealousy. She may have thought she was raped after it was done and she wanted to be in a relationship again, but he didn't. Jealous xs will do a lot of dumb shit.

You are not a real person. You just aren't.

It's the Ho's and B's crowd point of view. Always been around always will be around. I just can't tell if the crowd is getting bigger or small?

 

[jcu27]

Who thinks of embarassment while they are being raped? If you're being raped wouldn't you be very scared? And when you're scared won't you do anything to try and help yourself?

 

[Grizbacker1]

I am a robot. Obviously. Anyways though JJ needs to get a good lawyer or at least a different one. This case would be easily dismissed in the right hands.

you obviously know nothing about Paoli, he is an outstanding lawyer. did you even read the judge's comment's? :roll:

 

[Grisly Fan]

You know, there is another class of "victim" that doesn't scream and doesn't notify police immediately: someone who wasn't raped. Just sayin'...

Truthfully I hope no one was raped and I hope JJ didn't rape anybody. Perhaps that makes me a bad person. However I am a "law and order" type and if a crime can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then justice should be swift and mighty.

For the sake of all who may be affected, I hope this comes to nothing and a jilted girlfriend gets emotional help.