QB play

[Richard Cranium]

If Roper was good enough to play at Oregon, Sell was good enough to play at just about any where! He is not flashy but he just gets it done! Selle is HEADS ABOVE BETTER than Roper!

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Not sold on Selle............

 

[hoopmaster111]

Hoopmaster, not sure how much you have watched practice or anything else from San Diego (Kemp's home town. Hmmmmmmm) this year. Maybe your child gave you reports......

However, if you take the time to watch practice, you would see what I am talking about. Kemp is a very good option QB, and a great runner. This is nothing against him. However, his throwing is #4 out of 4 QB's by a long way right now. IMO, Zapata is a much better passer.

That said, I have no idea if he can run the option. I have no idea if he is a good runner. He is very thin, so will have to put on some muscle to be more durable, no matter what he does. I have no idea if he can run the offense effectively. I was just talking about the passing. And in a passing competition, it wouldn't even be a contest. I think Zapata would win an accuracy contest over all 4 QB's on the roster right now.

I hope Kemp improves his passing to Zapata's level. I hope Zapata turns out to be as good of a runner as Kemp. That would be a nice problem to have.

Actually, you know that Kemp can run but you have no idea whether Gerald can pass or not. I am not sure how you've seen Gerald throw since he gets very little live reps if any at all in practice. Exactly how many times have you seen him take live reps in practice? Are you a QB coach, an expert at the position? If so, you should volunteer your services to the Griz and help make Gerald the best QB ever since he is such a terrible passer in your expert opinion. Who gives a crap about a passing competition? What does that prove? Last season Andrew was a better passer than Cole Berquist...so what. He didn't play in front of Cole. Passing is about getting the ball from one point to another. There is no stat for pretty passes. We have no idea right now if Kemp is accurate or not because he has not had enough of an opportunity to pass in a game. To say he couldn't get the job done and won't see time on the field as a QB just is not a fair statement.

How about wait and see what a kid can do during a game in a live situation before you knock him. Live situations are totally different than drills. Live shows you how a kid reacts to pressure, if he get away from it, if he can make a throw on the run, if he can make plays with his legs if the play breaks down, if he can read defenses. Do you know whether Zapata can do all of these things yet?

Just because my hometown is San Diego doesn't mean I haven't seen practices or games in person. And exactly which child do you think is giving me reports? Is there something you know that I don't about that? Just for the record I have seen 5 games in person including the Portland State game and I will be attending the Griz-Cat game as well. I have also seen many practices and scrimmages in person as well. Although San Diego is my home town I travel to Missoula often and have quite a few friends that live there.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You cant coach accuracy, you are either born with it (Tom Brady) or you dont have it (JaMarcus Russell)

Sure you can teach proper form, footwork etc but that only does so much.


Kemp dont got it, but granted I only watch him in practice and such but its very telling as to his accuracy. He has a strong arm but is wild when delivering. I suspect that everyones favorite coach sees this as well, hence why he never pitches the rock in a game. He is a good athlete but hes Vince Young/Michael Vick not
Drew Brees/Peyton Manning.

 

[hoopmaster111]

You cant coach accuracy, you are either born with it (Tom Brady) or you dont have it (JaMarcus Russell)

Sure you can teach proper form, footwork etc but that only does so much.


Kemp dont got it, but granted I only watch him in practice and such but its very telling as to his accuracy. He has a strong arm but is wild when delivering. I suspect that everyones favorite coach sees this as well, hence why he never pitches the rock in a game. He is a good athlete but hes Vince Young/Michael Vick not
Drew Brees/Peyton Manning.

What exactly in practice tells you that he is inaccurate? What credentials do you have that make you an expert? I have seen him throw in practice only in drills and in warmups before games. He doesn't get live reps. I have not seen anything wild coming from him. Since you are at practice so much maybe you could do some reports and keep us up to date.

Kemp does have it and I have seen him demonstrate it at QB for years! If he gets his shot you should be thinking Randall Cunningham....remember that guy? That is who Kemp reminds me of. He is intelligent and can make plays both with his feet and his arm. But hey, if you prefer a stand in the pocket one-dimentional QB that can't move then NO he won't be your guy.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Jesus..... :roll: What credentials do YOU have to be making decisions on Kemp?

Look, we know your related, we get it but seriously try and be objective.

In practice he overthrows quite often then compensates for it by pitching a few in the ground.

Live reps? You play like you practice if it isnt getting done in practice it shows why hes only running the ball, the dude is an athlete and has some skills.......slinging the ball around doesnt look like one of the better ones he has.


Also yes I would prefer a QB that stays in the pocket those guys win games.

Lets look at the list of "mobile" QBs that were not able to win consistently nor win the big games

Vince Evans
Randall Cunningham
Doug Flutie
Rich Gannon
Michael Vick
Donovan McNabb
Vince Young
Fran Tarkington

You can have every one of those guys.


The only guy that was very mobile that I can think of that won a ton of games was

Steve Young and the reason he did is because he stayed in the pocket until he had to scramble, he was throw first run at a last resort. Non of the above were disciplined enough to do that.

I agree with Hauck.

 

[grizpack]

Wow. I seem to have hit a nerve there. If you are going to read what is on this board for the next 4 years, I strongly suggest either thicker skin, or some serious numbing medications.

First - read the posts before you spout off on what an ass I am for having an opinion. I may be an ass, that part is probably true. And I am OK with it if you don't like me. There is a fairly long list.

Second - Zapata is red-shirting this year. He won't see the field unless the other 3 QB's, and probably Jeff Larson get injured, and simply cannot go.

Next, please be accurate in you rants. I did not say he was a "terrible" passer at any point in my posts. I said that, from what I have watched, Zapata is better. I also said that right now, I think Zapata is the most accurate passer of all 4 QB's we have. If I offended the family of Selle or Roper or even Larson with that statement, I also apologize.

And neither of them have had many "live" reps in practice. HOWEVER - in passing drills, the difference is obvious. I don't think either of them is going to suddenly become more accurate when they go live, and they have 275 lb. D-Linemen and Backers blitzing them and making them rush their throws. They are typically as accurate as they are going to be in passing drills when they have an open field in front of them, no one rushing them, no one defending the receiver, etc.

I think Kemp is a great QB for the Wildcat formation or option, or whatever we decide to do with the running game. And again, I have no idea how Zapata will do in the full offense (or Kemp for that matter).

From what I have seen (and I am pretty sure I have watched both practice and throw more than you, unless you also have a place in Missoula), they are simply different QB's with very different styles. At this point, Kemp is more adept at the running/option game. Zapata is a better passer. I assume Kemp has a better handle on the offense since it is his 2nd year here. Zapata runs mostly scout team offense.

Again, I hope this all changes, and they both improve to where they are absolutely interchangeable. That would be a nice problem to have. The good news is they both have next year to work on any weaknesses they may have.

 

[hardycreek]

Did anyone else notice the Griz QB's warming up before the game Saturday?

1 & 2 = Roper & Selle

#3 = Zapata.

Those three were alternating throws in sequence.

What does that mean? That DJ Zapata is ahead of Kemp, Larsen, & Zach McRae?

 

[hardycreek]

Did anyone else notice the three Griz QB's warming up before the Weber game Saturday?

Selle, Roper & Zapata.

Does that mean Zapata is ahead of Kemp, Larson & McRae?

 

[Paytonlives]

I for one hate the 2 QB system... until now

These two guys seem to thrive on the competition... Both are in the top 10 nationally in rating.

 

[kemajic]

Is anyone on here knowledgeable enough to discuss the QB mechanics, or is everything just 40,000 foot generalizations?

Oh well, i'll make another observation about Roper's mechanics, which I believe is really hurting his accuracy. Simply put, he does not step into his throws. Instead he slings the ball 3/4 arm off his back foot. This causes lots of his throws to sail high, which is NOT what a coach wants! Phenicie keeps calling that roll-left play for Roper, and he can not make that throw accurately because of his poor mechanics.

Actually his ball floats when he doesn't bring his hip through which causes him to cut off his follow through...just sayin.

OK, what causes the too frequent flutter balls that Selle throws?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Actually his ball floats when he doesn't bring his hip through which causes him to cut off his follow through...just sayin.

OK, what causes the too frequent flutter balls that Selle throws?

I agree, please elaborate on this flutter as I REALLY want to know as well!!!

 

[bigsky59]

I would love to see each QB get the whole game during these next two weeks. Let Selle have UNC and Roper ISU. Selle just doesn't make mistakes, that is huge. But, his long ball is weak. I saw that in fall practice. Roper has a canon, but doesn't seem as in control when he is in the game.

I would love to see Roper have a chance to have some consistency. I would love to see him throw a couple long balls to Sambrino and Mariani.

 

[Lotsa love]

Kemp is much too good of an athlete to ride the pines. But, I think one of the reasons that he signed with Montana over many other schools who recruited him (including some FBS schools from what I hear) is that Bobby promised him a shot at playing QB.

If Kemp was smart, he would realize that he probably will not be a starter at QB for the Griz. No, I understand that Bobby has not even played him in real-game situations, except for a few predictable Wildcat plays. He has never really been given a chance to move the team, throw the ball, in a live situation. If Bobby would not allow us to play-down to inferior competition like he has done for years, we would be blowing our the likes of Sac. State, and UC Davis, and Gerald could be given a few series at QB to see what he could do. But, <sigh>, we know that this is not gonna happen with a Hauck-coached team.

Kemp should move to either DB or WR, in my opinion. He is quick, fast, and athletic. He could possible start at one of those positions next season if he made the move now. Just the way I see it.

 

[Lotsa love]

OK, what causes the too frequent flutter balls that Selle throws?

I agree, please elaborate on this flutter as I REALLY want to know as well!!!

I am not a QB expert, so I can not really comment on why Selle's passes flutter. His mechanics seem to be pretty solid. I think it must be a function of arm strength. He reminds me alot of John Edwards, who could throw the short-medium pass very accurately, but whose lack of arm strength limited him to those passes.

I get frustrated with Roper, because I think he has sooooooo much potential. But I also think that he will never be very accurate as long as he continues to throw with his current mechanics. Has Phenicie tried to alter his motion? Anyone know? If not, WHY?

 

[grizpack]

Remember, Kemp is only a red-shirt freshman. I think most red-shirts would be pretty happy with ANY playing time. His time will come to show what he can do in 2011.

As for the fluttering ball, there was a Sports Illustrated article a few years ago that talked about how the ball comes out differently for different players. One of the primary things that was mentioned was hand size. If you look at Favre, Manning, Marino or as far back as Unitas, or any of those guys, it looks like they have a toy ball in their hands. I think it said that the "duck" or flutter was more common to guys with smaller hands (insert joke here). The guys with bigger hands won't lose the grip on it as often.

I remember reading it and wondering how Dave Dickinson did so well.

 

[frasier1griz]

Selle's ball flutters because of arm strength. He is lucky th DB didn't turn around or he would have had a couple of INT on Saturday.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Selle's ball flutters because of arm strength.

Yep!! We have a winner.

:thumb: :thumb: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[MrTitleist]

I don't think McRae is a Griz anymore, at least, not a QB. Am I wrong? Larson is now a WR, as well.

 

[loyalgriz]

Kemp is much too good of an athlete to ride the pines. But, I think one of the reasons that he signed with Montana over many other schools who recruited him (including some FBS schools from what I hear) is that Bobby promised him a shot at playing QB.

If Kemp was smart, he would realize that he probably will not be a starter at QB for the Griz. No, I understand that Bobby has not even played him in real-game situations, except for a few predictable Wildcat plays. He has never really been given a chance to move the team, throw the ball, in a live situation. If Bobby would not allow us to play-down to inferior competition like he has done for years, we would be blowing our the likes of Sac. State, and UC Davis, and Gerald could be given a few series at QB to see what he could do. But, <sigh>, we know that this is not gonna happen with a Hauck-coached team.

Kemp should move to either DB or WR, in my opinion. He is quick, fast, and athletic. He could possible start at one of those positions next season if he made the move now. Just the way I see it.

Please provide examples of teams that give their 3rd QB live time during the season. It just doesn't happen. We are trying to figure out how to give the 2nd guy enough time.......let alone the third guy.....let it go...