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Program woos players with success

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Program woos players with success
Lady Griz coach hopes team’s achievements will outshine low profile of Big Sky Conference in eyes of recruits
Story by Amber Kuehn | April 19, 2007
Montana Kaimin
Editor’s note: This is the third installment in a four-part series looking into the recruiting aspect of University of Montana athletics. The series will wrap up on Friday.

It hangs on a wall in his office, serving as an everyday reminder of the successful program he’s built at the University of Montana.

Robin Selvig, head coach of the Lady Griz basketball team for 28 seasons, rises from his desk to proudly point out a copy of the 2006 issue of the sports annual “Street & Smith’s.”

“It lists the top 10 basketball programs of all time,” he says. “And there’s Montana at seven, in a national publication.”


Montana is listed in the magazine alongside teams like Stanford, Connecticut and seven-time national champion Tennessee. It’s items like this that put the Lady Griz in the national spotlight, and gives the program the recognition necessary for recruiting. UM sends a copy to out-of-state athletes it is trying to recruit, in hopes that the magazine will give the recruits another reason to become a Lady Griz.

“Certainly our tradition has helped us,” he said, “but it still doesn’t mean we’re going to out-recruit one of those schools.”

Selvig wishes it did, but the reality of the situation can be spelled out in three words: Big Sky Conference. Despite Montana’s success, which includes 16 appearances in the NCAA Tournament, the Big Sky doesn’t receive the same attention that other conferences get.

Charli Turner Thorne knows how difficult recruiting in the Big Sky Conference can be. Before becoming head coach of the Arizona State women’s basketball team in 1996, Turner Thorne coached at Northern Arizona University for three seasons.

“I definitely have more resources at Arizona State, almost at every level,” she said. “There’s a lot more we’re able to do here … not to mention it’s the Pac-10.”

The lure of a big-time conference was even too much to keep Montana’s current best player from originally leaving the state.

UM sophomore guard Mandy Morales, who played high school basketball in Billings, was recruited by Montana but eventually signed with Arizona State. She said the idea of playing for a Pac-10 team is what drew her to ASU.

“I thought the Pac-10 was a huge thing to get recruited by, and they offered me a full ride,” Morales said. “With that big of a program, it was hard to pass up.”

With her grandfather ailing back home, Morales eventually transferred to Montana without actually stepping on the court for the Sun Devils. Morales redshirted the 2004-2005 season but has been stellar in her two years for the Lady Griz, winning the conference MVP award this past season.

Morales said she doesn’t regret her decision, but she said while watching the NCAA Tournament, she was reminded of the Pac-10 school that recruited her.

“They were going to the Elite Eight, so that made me think about it,” she said. “But I’m glad to be part of UM. You go to other schools and they’re averaging 500 fans, and we get like 5,000.”

Over the past 30 years, Lady Griz teams have largely consisted of in-state athletes. According to the UM Media Guide, 77 of the 114 Lady Griz who have lettered hailed from Montana. Of the 37 players from out of state, 25 were from the Northwest region.

“We try to get the best kids we can,” Selvig said. “Montana high school women’s basketball has been very good, so we’ve been fortunate.”

Selvig said he would recruit athletes from anywhere if he could, but financial restraints limit him to recruiting in the Northwest.

“We don’t have the type of budget to recruit all over the country,” he said. “You’ve got to zero in on areas and do a good job there.”

But recruiting in certain areas often limits a team’s diversity. In its history, the Lady Griz have had only one African-American player on the team – Vicki Austin, who played from 1988 to 1990 after transferring from Long Beach State.

“We don’t have a big minority population here, but we try,” Selvig said. “We make a lot of home visits to black kids and we try to get them to come play for us.”

But what the Lady Griz have had, in terms of minorities, is a large portion of American Indians. The Lady Griz currently have two American Indians on the team and just signed another, Dvera Tolbert, out of Hardin High School.
“There haven’t been many Native Americans play D-I ball, and we’ve had five or six, greater than any team in the nation by far,” he said.

Turner Thorne said she too values diversity on her team, but said it is the quality of the person and player first and foremost.

“We love to have diversity,” she said. “But they’ve got to be able to do the things it takes to win championships on the basketball court.”

Being a coach in the Pac-10 has allowed her to recruit on a more national scale, but Turner Thorne says every coach tries to recruit the best athletes in their home state first.

Selvig has done just that. Only three players on the Lady Griz team that went 27-4 this past season were from out of state, and Selvig’s primary starting lineup consisted of all Montana products. Selvig said he thinks that has helped boost attendance – Montana had the 27th highest average attendance marks in the nation for the 2005-2006 season – although he said he’s still just as proud of his out-of-state players.

“If there are Montana kids that we think are good enough to be Division I players, then we like to recruit them,” he said. “But again, I would take them from Timbuktu if we could get them.”

Some programs don’t have limitations on the way they spend their money, Selvig said. But Montana does.

“We certainly can’t just jump on a plane anytime we want the day before a game and go watch a kid play in Texas,” he said.

Also making recruiting difficult has been the switch in seasons for Montana high school girl’s basketball. Prior to becoming a winter sport in 2002, the prep girls played during the fall, allowing coaches more time to watch recruits play.

“A lot of the evaluation is done in summer ball now,” Selvig said.

Recruiting makes coaches become salesmen and Selvig hates that. But it helps that his coaching staff has played at UM and has been a part of the program for a number of years.
“We’re selling something we believe in,” he said.

That doesn’t mean everyone is convinced.

“A lot of the top players in the country, you try to get involved with them and really don’t ever get your foot in the door,” he said.

However, with the recruits he has gotten, Selvig has been blessed not only on the court but in the classroom as well. In the past 20 years, 93 of his athletes have made the All-Academic Big Sky team and all but three players have graduated with a degree.

Basketball season might be over, but recruiting goes on. Selvig and his assistants will go from gym to gym, adding names to a roster already filled with talent. Success can speak for itself – the framed publication on his wall says it all.
 
How lucky are we to have Robin Selvig as a coach? He is a great ambassador for this school, and it's women's basketball program. Robin does his best with the available resources, and never seems to complain about anything...he even addressed Montana only having one black player in the program's history. :clap:
 
i'm glad the article address the fact that the montana girls highschool season changed from fall to winter.
can someone please remind me how this helped the girls?
 
ah, you've hit on a real pet peeve of mine--forcing women to play their sport out of season. the wnba does it, and their motives are pretty transparent: use women to help fill empty arenas in the off-season. maybe it's good for the owners, but does it help the women? does anybody really want to go to madison square garden to see the liberty play in june?

i mean, who cares about basketball in the summer? or baseball in the winter? or even football in the summer in europe? maybe you can make a case for the arena league, but basically where it's customary to play a sport in a particular season, people only care about that sport when it is played in-season. i'm glad montana changed the season for girls's basketball. having the girls play in the fall was stewpid. if there was any reason for it at all, it was not for the benefit of the girls.
 
montana changed the season for girls's basketball.

I would have thought that it was easier for college coaching staffs to scout potential recruits during the autumn months when girls hs bb was being played in Montana prior to 2002. When both college and high school having their regular season schedules during the same months then the colleges more than likely are concentrating on their own team and season and holding off the recruiting bit until they have time to do so.

Most high school athletes are more prone to being active in more than one sport per year than they would be in college; like in basketball then volleyball then track & field perhaps: for guys football, basketball/wrestling, track & field etc. Whatever. So where would be the harm to the athletes with that prior to 2002 arrangement?

Like what I've heard in newspaper accounts, from actual players:.. 'who's going to come out and scout us playing games in Scobey, Cut Bank or Ekalaka?'..maybe come tournament time, maybe, if so lucky, but otherwise?

-Since when do those 'big-wigs' know about the facts of anything except going around saying things are stewpid anyways?
 
GrizMania said:
i'm glad the article address the fact that the montana girls highschool season changed from fall to winter.
can someone please remind me how this helped the girls?

Actually it was a group of Volleyball players that were threatening to sue the state so that the VB season would line up with almost every other state in the Union and the VB college singing dates.

VB was in the winter then and players felt, with good reason, that playing out of sync with every one else was costing them scholarship opportunities. VB Coaches were signing players and the Montana girls had not even played their senior season yet. This put them at a disadvantage to the other girls since coaches had seen the senior seasons for other girls and the improvement that brings.

Playing VB in teh winter and BB in the fall was so that small towns could have the same coach do both the boys and girls teams and to help with gym space. It was bad for the girls and especially the VB girls chances at a college scholarship.
 
citygriz said:
ah, you've hit on a real pet peeve of mine--forcing women to play their sport out of season. the wnba does it, and their motives are pretty transparent: use women to help fill empty arenas in the off-season. maybe it's good for the owners, but does it help the women? does anybody really want to go to madison square garden to see the liberty play in june?

i mean, who cares about basketball in the summer? or baseball in the winter? or even football in the summer in europe? maybe you can make a case for the arena league, but basically where it's customary to play a sport in a particular season, people only care about that sport when it is played in-season. i'm glad montana changed the season for girls's basketball. having the girls play in the fall was stewpid. if there was any reason for it at all, it was not for the benefit of the girls.

The WNBA is a joke anyway. If it were not for the NBA subsidy, they would already be out of business. The Sacramento franchise has seen attendance drop for 4 consecutive years , despite a WNBA title and a runnerup finish. This in a market where the NBA Sacramento Kings has sold out nearly 400 consecutive games, so fan support in this market is not an issue. The top player WNBA doesn't make $100,000 annually, so they are forced to play overseas in the off season to supplement their income.

As far as the HS change of seasons, Selvig was one of the most outspoken critics of it.
 
"Selvig wishes it did, but the reality of the situation can be spelled out in three words: Big Sky Conference."


Interesting 2nd time, the other being NCAA tourney debate, Robin speaking out regarding the BSC. Is it safe to think or say that Robin would 100% support the GRIZ moving to a more respected conference? As things stand now, BSC kills mens and LG basketball. Making is accomplishments even greater, imagine how many more Mandy Morales' type players he could recruit with a better conference affiliation. We are so lucky to have kept him at Montana. Thank you again, Robin.
 
mtgrizrule said:
"Selvig wishes it did, but the reality of the situation can be spelled out in three words: Big Sky Conference."


Interesting 2nd time, the other being NCAA tourney debate, Robin speaking out regarding the BSC. Is it safe to think or say that Robin would 100% support the GRIZ moving to a more respected conference? As things stand now, BSC kills mens and LG basketball. Making is accomplishments even greater, imagine how many more Mandy Morales' type players he could recruit with a better conference affiliation. We are so lucky to have kept him at Montana. Thank you again, Robin.

Moving to another conference isn't going to give Selvig more resources (money) to recruit with. He said that is the primary reason they recruit where they do. The other conferences that would be logical choices don't draw any better, and travel costs for LG would likely be higher. I agree we are lucky to have Rob.
 
Robin is certainly frustrated with the BSC. We can agree to disagree if it hampers the basketball programs or not. I feel the conference is much more of a negative than a positive when it comes to basketball. This I stand firm on, and hope in time other BSC programs will step it up to the levels of Montana in terms of quality teams, fan support, and efforts to be the best in the conference. I miss what the BSC used to be. For me, it has lost its luster since BSU, Idaho, and Nevada moved on. Not only in basketball, but football too. Anymore Montana State seems to be the only program other than Montana that one can pencil in the top 3 in football. As for basketball, the BSC sucks!
 
Actually it was a group of Volleyball players that were threatening to sue the state so that the VB season would line up with almost every other state in the Union and the VB college singing dates.

Hadn't heard this about the VB season/players and their complaints. Most of what I remember is like the impressions received from nearly twenty years ago when someone's mother first came forth about this inevitable change because she was afraid that her 6'4" averaging twenty points a game daughter couldn't get recruited into a top team/conference and having to settle playing for dUMb o' Montana instead.
 
WyomingGrizFan said:
Actually it was a group of Volleyball players that were threatening to sue the state so that the VB season would line up with almost every other state in the Union and the VB college singing dates.

Hadn't heard this about the VB season/players and their complaints. Most of what I remember is like the impressions received from nearly twenty years ago when someone's mother first came forth about this inevitable change because she was afraid that her 6'4" averaging twenty points a game daughter couldn't get recruited into a top team/conference and having to settle playing for dUMb o' Montana instead.

That was beautiful how you refrained from saying who that mother was. Thanks for giving me a good laugh WG. :thumb:
 
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