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[uofmman1122]

The comments re Hill sound great but you guys are forgetting the most important attribute for a QB--accuracy. He can have all the leadership skills and competitiveness in the world but without accuracy, he's basically a glorified RB. I'm not convinced he has the accuracy we want, although he could be the best we have. From my limited views, his accuracy seemed average, his windup seemed huge, and his release slow. Usually accuracy is something you're born with, but it goes hand-in-hand with nerves of steel, which he may have.

It does look a little funky, but he had no problem scoring in the spring game. He looked a lot better than Phillips.


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If he's as good as everyone thinks, he'll show it against the 1s this fall, but until then I'll reserve judgement on him. I think it'll be a fun competition, for sure.

 

[garizzalies]

It wasn't my intention to specifically call Hill a glorified rb altho I couldn't help but envision Tebow at the scrimmage. I kept waiting for the jump pass. There's no doubt he's got the right attitude, the best current trajectory, and the get-off-the-bus look, but I'm not sold on his release yet. It almost seemed to telegraph his passes too. And that leg kick. Maybe it's just a lefty thing with me. Plus I really liked what I saw with Jensen so maybe that makes me biased. As for Phillips, it's probably wise to just bite my tongue for now

 

[Grizzly96]

It wasn't my intention to specifically call Hill a glorified rb altho I couldn't help but envision Tebow at the scrimmage. I kept waiting for the jump pass. There's no doubt he's got the right attitude, the best current trajectory, and the get-off-the-bus look, but I'm not sold on his release yet. It almost seemed to telegraph his passes too. And that leg kick. Maybe it's just a lefty thing with me. Plus I really liked what I saw with Jensen so maybe that makes me biased. As for Phillips, it's probably wise to just bite my tongue for now

The leg kick is an easy one, he was a pitcher in high school on one of the premier baseball teams in Texas called Twelve. He was being recruited by several FBS D1 schools because he threw in the low to middle 90's and a leftie. But, the kid loves the game of football and that's is why he is here. Leg kick is just a habit from years of pitching.

 

[i_the_sky]

Top priorities would be special teams and offense both have been extremely week every since Stit has been here!!!

 

[SaskGriz]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

 

[Grizzly96]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

Yes, this is true, even with Young, they throw from 3/4 slot. Their release tends to look long and slow, but it is just from a different look that lefties have. For me, I don't care if the QB is left or right handed or even if his throwing motion is not ideal because plenty of really good QB's don't have them. It comes down to this for me:

1.Is he a gamer? Does he have that "I'm gonna kick your ass and you will not beat me attitude"? (Teams feed off of this, especially if it's your QB)

2.Can he make the throws accurately enough? (I know that sounds weird, but you can be quite effective around 60% comp.)

3.Does he limit turnovers? (Obviously accuracy and ball velocity play a part, but if you consistently throw INT's, what good does that do)

4.Can he make a play with his feet or create time to allow a WR to come open, when a play breaks down or is defended well?

IMO, we have two QB's that answer these questions well. One is young and with some more experience will definitely be the future. The other could help us get to where we want to go now and bring back some excitement to watching Griz football on a consistent basis.

 

[bgbigdog]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

My left-handed, armchair supposition goes as follows. Left-handed kids who can throw are likely to be pressed into pitching as kids. Hard to undo all the repetitions of pitching to deliver a football in the classic manner. Plus, you're looking @ it from unfamiliar eye angles. Think of it like watching that dog of yours run away from your driveway rather than your porch - which I'm assuming you already do. (who could sit on a porch long anyway?) I know, a lot of right-handed kids pitch, but they are as likely as not to play the other 8 spots that let you grove an arm angle to match the needs. Very much like the different arm angles I employ when holding a beer glass, wine glass or scotch tumbler.

Stabler did it differently than Namath, on the field I mean. Both of them did it a lot off the field, and being left-handed didn't seem to impair the Snake in any way. Hopefully this helped.

Don't mind me, still waiting for peach vodka and I've been to Costco, always Costco, way too many times this week.

 

[Grizzly96]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

My left-handed, armchair supposition goes as follows. Left-handed kids who can throw are likely to be pressed into pitching as kids. Hard to undo all the repetitions of pitching to deliver a football in the classic manner. Plus, you're looking @ it from unfamiliar eye angles. Think of it like watching that dog of yours run away from your driveway rather than your porch- which I'm assuming you already do, who could sit on a porch long anyway? I know, A lot of right-handed kids pitch, but they are as likely as not to play the other 8 spots that let you grove an arm angle to match the needs. Very much like the different arm angles I employ when holding a beer glass, wine glass or scotch tumbler.

Stabler did it differently than Namath, on the field I mean. Both of them did it a lot off the field, and being left-handed didn't seem to impair the Snake in any way. Hopefully this helped.

Don't mind me, still waiting for peach vodka and I've been to Costco, always Costco, way too many times this week.

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[Grizzly96]

What is the priority for improvement this season? Improvement in this area translates to wins...

QB?

O-Line?

Special Teams?

Defensive Scheme?

As Payton just reminded us...7 Weeks!

From all the RB's being added, I think Stitt is making the running game a priority. If the OL can improve with a mobile QB, could help a lot of the offensive issues.

 

[poorgriz]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

Yes, this is true, even with Young, they throw from 3/4 slot. Their release tends to look long and slow, but it is just from a different look that lefties have. For me, I don't care if the QB is left or right handed or even if his throwing motion is not ideal because plenty of really good QB's don't have them. It comes down to this for me:

1.Is he a gamer? Does he have that "I'm gonna kick your ass and you will not beat me attitude"? (Teams feed off of this, especially if it's your QB)

2.Can he make the throws accurately enough? (I know that sounds weird, but you can be quite effective around 60% comp.)

3.Does he limit turnovers? (Obviously accuracy and ball velocity play a part, but if you consistently throw INT's, what good does that do)

4.Can he make a play with his feet or create time to allow a WR to come open, when a play breaks down or is defended well?

IMO, we have two QB's that answer these questions well. One is young and with some more experience will definitely be the future. The other could help us get to where we want to go now and bring back some excitement to watching Griz football on a consistent basis.

You're forgetting the single most important trait in a Stitt QB. Is he incredibly smart in grasping the entire offense, and super quick thinking in knowing where to go with the ball? Then secondarily can he deliver it quickly (and accurately)? Stitt has said on numerous occasions this is by far the most important thing his QB needs to run his offense. You could have the most talented, accurate, cannon arm, mobile, Chris Murray speed QB and he's going to sit on the bench if a fat, slow, inaccurate QB has a much better grasp on the offense.

 

[uofmman1122]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

Yes, this is true, even with Young, they throw from 3/4 slot. Their release tends to look long and slow, but it is just from a different look that lefties have. For me, I don't care if the QB is left or right handed or even if his throwing motion is not ideal because plenty of really good QB's don't have them. It comes down to this for me:

1.Is he a gamer? Does he have that "I'm gonna kick your ass and you will not beat me attitude"? (Teams feed off of this, especially if it's your QB)

2.Can he make the throws accurately enough? (I know that sounds weird, but you can be quite effective around 60% comp.)

3.Does he limit turnovers? (Obviously accuracy and ball velocity play a part, but if you consistently throw INT's, what good does that do)

4.Can he make a play with his feet or create time to allow a WR to come open, when a play breaks down or is defended well?

IMO, we have two QB's that answer these questions well. One is young and with some more experience will definitely be the future. The other could help us get to where we want to go now and bring back some excitement to watching Griz football on a consistent basis.

You're forgetting the single most important trait in a Stitt QB. Is he incredibly smart in grasping the entire offense, and super quick thinking in knowing where to go with the ball? Then secondarily can he deliver it quickly (and accurately)? Stitt has said on numerous occasions this is by far the most important thing his QB needs to run his offense. You could have the most talented, accurate, cannon arm, mobile, Chris Murray speed QB and he's going to sit on the bench if a fat, slow, inaccurate QB has a much better grasp on the offense.

You're exaggerating quite a bit here, as your first QB in this hypothetical would clearly see the field.

The problem we've had is that we haven't had a guy that's head and shoulders better than the others, so Stitt has gone with the one that could understand and execute (relatively speaking) the best of the three.

This year has a similar problem in that as much of a vaulted ceiling Jensen has, he not yet the clear cut best player of the three. Should be an interesting fall camp.

 

[Grizzly96]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

Yes, this is true, even with Young, they throw from 3/4 slot. Their release tends to look long and slow, but it is just from a different look that lefties have. For me, I don't care if the QB is left or right handed or even if his throwing motion is not ideal because plenty of really good QB's don't have them. It comes down to this for me:

1.Is he a gamer? Does he have that "I'm gonna kick your ass and you will not beat me attitude"? (Teams feed off of this, especially if it's your QB)

2.Can he make the throws accurately enough? (I know that sounds weird, but you can be quite effective around 60% comp.)

3.Does he limit turnovers? (Obviously accuracy and ball velocity play a part, but if you consistently throw INT's, what good does that do)

4.Can he make a play with his feet or create time to allow a WR to come open, when a play breaks down or is defended well?

IMO, we have two QB's that answer these questions well. One is young and with some more experience will definitely be the future. The other could help us get to where we want to go now and bring back some excitement to watching Griz football on a consistent basis.

You're forgetting the single most important trait in a Stitt QB. Is he incredibly smart in grasping the entire offense, and super quick thinking in knowing where to go with the ball? Then secondarily can he deliver it quickly (and accurately)? Stitt has said on numerous occasions this is by far the most important thing his QB needs to run his offense. You could have the most talented, accurate, cannon arm, mobile, Chris Murray speed QB and he's going to sit on the bench if a fat, slow, inaccurate QB has a much better grasp on the offense.

Ok fair enough, but it seems all 3 QB's that we have are incredibly smart. I think as far as intelligence goes they are equal, so I left that out. Phillips has the most time in the offense and is a senior, so he has the best grasp of it right now. Hill has the least amount of time in the offense, but honestly might have the most game experience against FBS/FCS talent. Blinn JC plays in a very tough JC conference that routinely sends DB's to FBS/FCS schools. Jensen has all the tools, but it is a jump from high school games to college games, speed wise especially, and he needs experience. I think that is why he had the inconsistencies this spring, but I saw some very promising attributes from him. IMO, between Hill and Jensen the next 4 years at the QB position looks promising.

 

[Ursa Major]

Someone mentioned that lefties tend to throw out of 3/4 arm slot, is that true. It looks like it to me but that doesn't really make any sense. When I think of the great leftie QB's; Stabler, Zorn, Brunnell, Esiason, they all seem to not throw straight over the top. Young is the only one I can think of with a classic arm action. And Vick had a cannon but a weird release as well. Is there any truth to this south paw arm slot thing or am I just not used to seeing lefties throw?

My left-handed, armchair supposition goes as follows. Left-handed kids who can throw are likely to be pressed into pitching as kids. Hard to undo all the repetitions of pitching to deliver a football in the classic manner. Plus, you're looking @ it from unfamiliar eye angles. Think of it like watching that dog of yours run away from your driveway rather than your porch - which I'm assuming you already do. (who could sit on a porch long anyway?) I know, a lot of right-handed kids pitch, but they are as likely as not to play the other 8 spots that let you grove an arm angle to match the needs. Very much like the different arm angles I employ when holding a beer glass, wine glass or scotch tumbler.

Stabler did it differently than Namath, on the field I mean. Both of them did it a lot off the field, and being left-handed didn't seem to impair the Snake in any way. Hopefully this helped.

Don't mind me, still waiting for peach vodka and I've been to Costco, always Costco, way too many times this week.

:lol: :lol: :lol: POTY!!