Portal change needed

[mtgrizrule]

I'm really hating the current portal set up.
We need to combine the old transfer rules with portal rules. Immediate eligibility should be applicable for 4 things.

1. The head coach leaves a program or is fired.
2. Family medical related issues, with xfr to only schools within a certain distance of where the family is.
3. NCAA violations that suspend a program from post season play.
4. Grad Transfer.

Currently, players can leave for any reason, with Immediate eligibility. Sorry, it's bullshit. Basically, it allows power conference programs to steal from lesser programs.

On the bright side, it might force coaches to play more depth, just to be better prepared of key players departing, and lessen the players for leaving because of playing time.

Yep, the loss of Beasley has really ticked me off. DeCuire went all in with him, Whitney, and is rewarded with this crap move! Where's the loyalty?

 

[zengriz]

...a third of them won't find a school...
...absolutely it needs changed...
...it's gotten out of control...

... ...

 

[IdaGriz01]

During our recent (and on-going via recorded) basketball binge, we heard about several players who were on their third or fourth school. By "several," I mean more than three and less than ten -- we weren't specifically counting. (One was about to go on to #5 as a grad transfer.) The stops were all full four-year colleges and universities. Sure, we've been in an exceptional situation, with COVID and all. But does anyone think this won't become the "new normal," or at least pretty common ... with athletes (urged by parents and personal advisors) shopping their skills to get more PT and exposure. The new NIL rules will only add to the trend.

So here's a question: What kind of an education does a young man get when he enrolls in that many different institutions? Sure, most schools have processes for accepting, or rejecting, credits from other schools. But tracking back across that many different courses and curricula? Come on! Would the last one even be able/willing to grant a degree when only a year of credits was from their curriculum? I'm not so naive to think they can't find a way, but the resulting "sheepskin" will likely not be worth squat in landing a job after basketball.

This is just another example of how the NCAA pays lip service to considering "first" the interest of the student-athlete, but really doesn't give an ishtay.

I suppose the train has already left the station on going back to requiring a year off after any transfer. But surely they can limit the number of "free" transfers allowed for an athlete?

 

[GrizBall]

I'm really hating the current portal set up.
We need to combine the old transfer rules with portal rules. Immediate eligibility should be applicable for 4 things.

1. The head coach leaves a program or is fired.
2. Family medical related issues, with xfr to only schools within a certain distance of where the family is.
3. NCAA violations that suspend a program from post season play.
4. Grad Transfer.

Currently, players can leave for any reason, with Immediate eligibility. Sorry, it's bullshit. Basically, it allows power conference programs to steal from lesser programs.

On the bright side, it might force coaches to play more depth, just to be better prepared of key players departing, and lessen the players for leaving because of playing time.

Yep, the loss of Beasley has really ticked me off. DeCuire went all in with him, Whitney, and is rewarded with this crap move! Where's the loyalty?

What about making athletic scholarships 4-year guaranteed instead of the year-by-year renewable at the coach's discretion? You want all of these restrictions on the players, when the coach can basically call a player in at the end of the season and tell him he is not welcome back (which actually impacts a higher number of transfers than any one wants to acknowledge, particularly the low-performing ones). Where's the loyalty?

What about when the coach makes a promise to a player only to go back on promise once the player arrives?

I agree what is going is a little much. I posted on another thread why I think what we are seeing now is temporary (in terms of the sheer number of transfers). There has to be a happy medium somewhere as I think the way it was done in the past had given the coaches way too much control over the lives of 18-22 year olds.

 

[Zirg]

I'm really hating the current portal set up.
We need to combine the old transfer rules with portal rules. Immediate eligibility should be applicable for 4 things.

1. The head coach leaves a program or is fired.
2. Family medical related issues, with xfr to only schools within a certain distance of where the family is.
3. NCAA violations that suspend a program from post season play.
4. Grad Transfer.

Currently, players can leave for any reason, with Immediate eligibility. Sorry, it's bullshit. Basically, it allows power conference programs to steal from lesser programs.

On the bright side, it might force coaches to play more depth, just to be better prepared of key players departing, and lessen the players for leaving because of playing time.

Yep, the loss of Beasley has really ticked me off. DeCuire went all in with him, Whitney, and is rewarded with this crap move! Where's the loyalty?

You are right. I just looked this up, but Beasley and Bannan (ironically) tied for the team lead in Minutes played with 979, and Whitney was in 3rd with 876. I would have guessed that Whitney had more minutes as he was such a defensive stalward, and i think is far more valuable all-around, with more assists and fewer turnovers. He'll be handling the ball a ton next year instead of Beasley and Parker and I think Whitney will flourish. He's a complete player and a team-first guy. Beasley's shooting % was 39%, Whitney 48&,Bannon 49%. He'll end up somewhere, but I don't know what Power conference teams is gonna be drooling over Beasley.

 

[GrizBall]

I'm really hating the current portal set up.
We need to combine the old transfer rules with portal rules. Immediate eligibility should be applicable for 4 things.

1. The head coach leaves a program or is fired.
2. Family medical related issues, with xfr to only schools within a certain distance of where the family is.
3. NCAA violations that suspend a program from post season play.
4. Grad Transfer.

Currently, players can leave for any reason, with Immediate eligibility. Sorry, it's bullshit. Basically, it allows power conference programs to steal from lesser programs.

On the bright side, it might force coaches to play more depth, just to be better prepared of key players departing, and lessen the players for leaving because of playing time.

Yep, the loss of Beasley has really ticked me off. DeCuire went all in with him, Whitney, and is rewarded with this crap move! Where's the loyalty?

You are right. I just looked this up, but Beasley and Bannan (ironically) tied for the team lead in Minutes played with 979, and Whitney was in 3rd with 876. I would have guessed that Whitney had more minutes as he was such a defensive stalward.

Whitney played in 3 less games. MPG was roughly the same. Bannan and Beasley 30.6 and Whitney 30.2.

I think it is too much to ask Whitney to guard the other team’s best player every night and have full-time ball-handling duties, but it may come to that.

 

[Zirg]

You are right. I just looked this up, but Beasley and Bannan (ironically) tied for the team lead in Minutes played with 979, and Whitney was in 3rd with 876. I would have guessed that Whitney had more minutes as he was such a defensive stalward.

Whitney played in 3 less games. MPG was roughly the same. Bannan and Beasley 30.6 and Whitney 30.2.

I think it is too much to ask Whitney to guard the other team’s best player every night and have full-time ball-handling duties, but it may come to that.

aha, that explains the minutes. And you are right. That is a tall order, and I'm sure we'll add (or already have?) another ball-handler by next year, but I am sure Whitney will take-on whatever challenge is asked of him.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Whitney played in 3 less games. MPG was roughly the same. Bannan and Beasley 30.6 and Whitney 30.2.

I think it is too much to ask Whitney to guard the other team’s best player every night and have full-time ball-handling duties, but it may come to that.

aha, that explains the minutes. And you are right. That is a tall order, and I'm sure we'll add (or already have?) another ball-handler by next year, but I am sure Whitney will take-on whatever challenge is asked of him.

Terrific opportunity for Vazquez and Braggs. Vazquez just needs the staff to believe in him again. Confidence will come back.

Braggs is truly a physical guard. He looks strong and athletic. I won't be surprised to see him emerge as a star from this. I'm very comfortable with Whitney seeing more pg responsibilities. He could be another Rorie.

 

[Griz1]

LSU has 11 in the portal and not one scholarship player left on the roster. To add insult to injury the four players that have committed to them for 2022 and 2023 have all reopened their recruitment.

 

[fanofzoo]

LSU has 11 in the portal and not one scholarship player left on the roster. To add insult to injury the four players that have committed to them for 2022 and 2023 have all reopened their recruitment.

Is that bad ?

 

[IdaGriz01]

LSU has 11 in the portal and not one scholarship player left on the roster. To add insult to injury the four players that have committed to them for 2022 and 2023 have all reopened their recruitment.

Is that bad ?

Well, it's not good.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entir...r-chooses-to-leave-team-after-will-wade-firi/

 

[Zirg]

aha, that explains the minutes. And you are right. That is a tall order, and I'm sure we'll add (or already have?) another ball-handler by next year, but I am sure Whitney will take-on whatever challenge is asked of him.

Terrific opportunity for Vazquez and Braggs. Vazquez just needs the staff to believe in him again. Confidence will come back.

Braggs is truly a physical guard. He looks strong and athletic. I won't be surprised to see him emerge as a star from this. I'm very comfortable with Whitney seeing more pg responsibilities. He could be another Rorie.

Vazquez is better than he showed this year, but I don't think he is the answer. His best asset is shooting 3's (43% 2 years ago) and I don't mind if he takes a few of the 3's that Beasley chucked this year, but he is very average over-all, IMO.

I have no opinion of Braggs, but he definately has a chance to prove himself now. I hope you're right.

 

[Hoops watcher]

LSU has 11 in the portal and not one scholarship player left on the roster. To add insult to injury the four players that have committed to them for 2022 and 2023 have all reopened their recruitment.

Is that bad ?

Might be the least of their worries:https://news.yahoo.com/wades-lsu-basketball-violations-were-210924135.html

 

[IdaGriz01]

... Might be the least of their worries: https://news.yahoo.com/wades-lsu-basketball-violations-were-210924135.html

Ouch!

That sounds close to rating a "death penalty" ... which some of us remember for a certain football program (SMU, I think, but not 100% sure). As I recall, that entailed cutting the allowed scholarships and staff way back, and all kinds of post-season bans.

If so, LSU could save a lot of money by basically shutting down its basketball program for three or four years. Treat it like club status and wait out the time. Not sure how the SEC would react, but ... so be it.

 

[zengriz]

…L S U fires there coach…
…every player enters portal…
…that leaves no returning players…

… :shock: …

 

[zengriz]

…L S U fires there coach…
…every player enters portal…
…that leaves no returning players…

… :shock: …

… …

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm really hating the current portal set up.
We need to combine the old transfer rules with portal rules. Immediate eligibility should be applicable for 4 things.

1. The head coach leaves a program or is fired.
2. Family medical related issues, with xfr to only schools within a certain distance of where the family is.
3. NCAA violations that suspend a program from post season play.
4. Grad Transfer.

Currently, players can leave for any reason, with Immediate eligibility. Sorry, it's bullshit. Basically, it allows power conference programs to steal from lesser programs.

On the bright side, it might force coaches to play more depth, just to be better prepared of key players departing, and lessen the players for leaving because of playing time.

Yep, the loss of Beasley has really ticked me off. DeCuire went all in with him, Whitney, and is rewarded with this crap move! Where's the loyalty?

What about making athletic scholarships 4-year guaranteed instead of the year-by-year renewable at the coach's discretion? You want all of these restrictions on the players, when the coach can basically call a player in at the end of the season and tell him he is not welcome back (which actually impacts a higher number of transfers than any one wants to acknowledge, particularly the low-performing ones). Where's the loyalty?

What about when the coach makes a promise to a player only to go back on promise once the player arrives?

I agree what is going is a little much. I posted on another thread why I think what we are seeing now is temporary (in terms of the sheer number of transfers). There has to be a happy medium somewhere as I think the way it was done in the past had given the coaches way too much control over the lives of 18-22 year olds.

I agree with the guaranteed scholarship premise.

 

[IdaGriz01]

What about making athletic scholarships 4-year guaranteed instead of the year-by-year renewable at the coach's discretion? ... There has to be a happy medium somewhere ...

I agree with the guaranteed scholarship premise.

Sounds good on paper, but runs the risk of practically killing high school recruiting.

How many programs could afford to take a chance on a high school player when they know that some won't be able to adapt to D-I sports? (Even "can't miss" 5-star recruits sometimes turn out to be duds.) If the student-athlete has a guaranteed schollie, the program would be stuck with a non-performer for the full four years.
Answer #1: Increase the number of allowed scholarships to account for a few bummers. Not likely, since that would kill some programs that are already marginal financially.
Answer #2: Make life Hell for that person (would apply equally to male and female athletes) until they can't take it any more and "voluntarily " transfer or drop out. Who wants that?
Answer #3: Recruit mainly from the portal, grabbing players who have "proven" D-I skills. This has already become a preferred strategy for some. We know that big programs that can afford it have added a staffer whose only job is to watch the transfer portal for likely prospects to fill holes in their roster.

Where would high school athletes go? Perhaps lower-division programs or the JC route. Of course, they might be able to go to lower-tier D-I programs. Coaches there already know that athletes who develop into stars at their level are going to get poached through the portal. For basketball, that's practically the same as the "one (or two) and done" sequence at the highest level where they take athletes that look almost NBA-ready. Trouble is, most lower-tier programs are even less able to carry non-performers for the full four years. Thus, they'll need to be even more selective in the high school athletes they bring aboard.

 

[GrizBall]

I agree with the guaranteed scholarship premise.

Answer #2: Make life Hell for that person (would apply equally to male and female athletes) until they can't take it any more and "voluntarily " transfer or drop out. Who wants that?

Reminds me of the 1970’s movie “One on One” where Robby Benson is the 5’9 hot shot recruit that turns out to be not very good. The coach asks him to quit but he refuses. So the coach makes him do every drill against the 6’8 250lb PF and the coach tells him to literally beat the crap out Benson in every drill to make him quit.

We need a best basketball movie thread to the lighten the mood here a little bit. “Fish That Saved Pittsburg?”“Fast Break” with Gabe Kaplan? Tons of movies from the great to the ridiculous.

 

[Zirg]

Answer #2: Make life Hell for that person (would apply equally to male and female athletes) until they can't take it any more and "voluntarily " transfer or drop out. Who wants that?

Reminds me of the 1970’s movie “One on One” where Robby Benson is the 5’9 hot shot recruit that turns out to be not very good. The coach asks him to quit but he refuses. So the coach makes him do every drill against the 6’8 250lb PF and the coach tells him to literally beat the crap out Benson in every drill to make him quit.

We need a best basketball movie thread to the lighten the mood here a little bit. “Fish That Saved Pittsburg?”“Fast Break” with Gabe Kaplan? Tons of movies from the great to the ridiculous.

I am gonna give you props for mentioning obscure 70's mentions although I don't see any relevance to today.I never thought Robbie Benson would be mentioned on egriz.