Petrino to Texas A&M

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Isn't that amazing! Look at the professional teams and their public funded stadiums they play games in (except Arizona and their University of Phoenix private school temple).

Georgia has already imploded the Georgia Dome and they have replaced it with the Mercedes-Benz stadium. The Dome was finished in 1996! It's amazing how much money some of these schools generate from their alumni. And every damn cent is tax deductible as the large programs are all run by the Foundation that runs their athletic programs.

Again, what foundations run a university? I am not aware of that concept. Almost every university has a foundation, but they don't run the university. UM has a foundation.

I responded to your question yesterday.

I'll let you read this again in this thread.

https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2022/06/22/uga-football-is-making-money-paw-over-fist/

 

[mthoopsfan]

Again, what foundations run a university? I am not aware of that concept. Almost every university has a foundation, but they don't run the university. UM has a foundation.

I responded to your question yesterday.

I'll let you read this again in this thread.

https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2022/06/22/uga-football-is-making-money-paw-over-fist/

No, you haven't told me which foundations "run" athletic departments, as opposed to fund them. The Flagpole statement appears to be wrong or bad wording.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

I responded to your question yesterday.

I'll let you read this again in this thread.

https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2022/06/22/uga-football-is-making-money-paw-over-fist/

No, you haven't told me which foundations "run" athletic departments, as opposed to fund them. The Flagpole statement appears to be wrong or bad wording.

Is this worded better for you?

https://brand.uga.edu/writing-style/styleguide/athletic_association/

 

[mthoopsfan]

No, you haven't told me which foundations "run" athletic departments, as opposed to fund them. The Flagpole statement appears to be wrong or bad wording.

Is this worded better for you?

https://brand.uga.edu/writing-style/styleguide/athletic_association/

Yes, I am now persuaded that much of UGA athletics is in the foundation/501c3. That non-profit is overseen by the UGA president, who appoints most of the members of the board and is the chairman of the board. There are a number of professors on the board. See link. https://georgiadogs.com/sports/2017/9/13/university-of-georgia-athletics-association-board-of-directors

Again, the non-profit is a 501c3, which, by law, can't "provide athletic facilities or equipment". There much be a separate entity or the university that owns the facilities and equipment, as the non-profit can't.

The Athletic Association seems to be run just like an athletic department. Has the same staff, employees and coaches, including an athletic director. Is overseen by a board chaired by the university president, who appoints most of the board. The president reports to the university board of regents and above them the state legislature. "Since the president appoints the board, people tend to not speak up, from Scates’ experience."

The Athletic Association is an "instrumentality" of the board of regents. See below.

UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION INC
↳ BOARD OF REGENTS INSTRUMENTALITY

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/580652518

So, it appears that much of the university's athletic program is within the foundation/non-profit, instead of directly in the university with a separate foundation, like at UM. However, it is run by the president and the AD.

Other than minor differences that may be caused by the structure, I don't see anything of substance that is different than most athletic departments like at UM.

"According to the bylaws, the UGA athletic board of directors shall have “general control” over athletics. There are 19 voting members of the board, broken down as follows:

The President, who is now Jere Morehead.
The provost (Pamela Whitten).
The vice president for finance and administration (Ryan Nesbit).
The faculty rep for athletics (David Shipley).
Six faculty members, three elected by the university council, and three who are appointed by UGA’s president.
Seven members “at large” who are elected from what’s referred to as the Nominations Committee (which consists of other board members). Six of these seven at-large members must be alumni.
The sitting president of the UGA alumni association.
A full-time student who is elected annually.
The appointed and elected members (other than the student rep) serve three-year terms. You can be re-appointed, but serve no more than three terms.

When members join the board, they are provided with two complimentary season tickets for football, and one parking pass, and two complimentary season tickets for other sports upon request. Board members attend three meetings per year, in September, February and May.

Once you serve nine years, you reach emeritus status. But the board can also under “special circumstances” name an emeritus member who has only served four years. Emeritus members are no longer among the voting members but bylaws state they “shall have such privilege and rights as designated” by the board."

"The athletics director is not officially a board member. But he sits next to the president at the meetings, and often leads – or guides – the meetings. The AD basically provides the agenda.

It’s very rare for someone to speak out at board meetings. One of the few instances was in September 2011, after the football team’s 0-2 start, when Lawhorne – a former Bulldog player – expressed concern about “the state of our football program.”

But public debate is unusual."

[So, the board just sits silent and rubber stamps anything voted on."

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/dawgnation/special-report-uga-athletic-board-paper-bulldog/#:~:text=Six%20faculty%20members%2C%20three%20elected,large%20members%20must%20be%20alumni.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Is this worded better for you?

https://brand.uga.edu/writing-style/styleguide/athletic_association/

Yes, I am now persuaded that much of UGA athletics is in the foundation/501c3. That non-profit is overseen by the UGA president, who appoints most of the members of the board and is the chairman of the board. There are a number of professors on the board. See link. https://georgiadogs.com/sports/2017/9/13/university-of-georgia-athletics-association-board-of-directors

Again, the non-profit is a 501c3, which, by law, can't "provide athletic facilities or equipment". There much be a separate entity or the university that owns the facilities and equipment, as the non-profit can't.

The Athletic Association seems to be run just like an athletic department. Has the same staff, employees and coaches, including an athletic director. Is overseen by a board chaired by the university president, who appoints most of the board. The president reports to the university board of regents and above them the state legislature. "Since the president appoints the board, people tend to not speak up, from Scates’ experience."

The Athletic Association is an "instrumentality" of the board of regents. See below.

UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION INC
↳ BOARD OF REGENTS INSTRUMENTALITY

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/580652518

So, it appears that much of the university's athletic program is within the foundation/non-profit, instead of directly in the university with a separate foundation, like at UM. However, it is run by the president and the AD.

Other than minor differences that may be caused by the structure, I don't see anything of substance that is different than most athletic departments like at UM.

"According to the bylaws, the UGA athletic board of directors shall have “general control” over athletics. There are 19 voting members of the board, broken down as follows:

The President, who is now Jere Morehead.
The provost (Pamela Whitten).
The vice president for finance and administration (Ryan Nesbit).
The faculty rep for athletics (David Shipley).
Six faculty members, three elected by the university council, and three who are appointed by UGA’s president.
Seven members “at large” who are elected from what’s referred to as the Nominations Committee (which consists of other board members). Six of these seven at-large members must be alumni.
The sitting president of the UGA alumni association.
A full-time student who is elected annually.
The appointed and elected members (other than the student rep) serve three-year terms. You can be re-appointed, but serve no more than three terms.

When members join the board, they are provided with two complimentary season tickets for football, and one parking pass, and two complimentary season tickets for other sports upon request. Board members attend three meetings per year, in September, February and May.

Once you serve nine years, you reach emeritus status. But the board can also under “special circumstances” name an emeritus member who has only served four years. Emeritus members are no longer among the voting members but bylaws state they “shall have such privilege and rights as designated” by the board."

"The athletics director is not officially a board member. But he sits next to the president at the meetings, and often leads – or guides – the meetings. The AD basically provides the agenda.

It’s very rare for someone to speak out at board meetings. One of the few instances was in September 2011, after the football team’s 0-2 start, when Lawhorne – a former Bulldog player – expressed concern about “the state of our football program.”

But public debate is unusual."

[So, the board just sits silent and rubber stamps anything voted on."

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/dawgnation/special-report-uga-athletic-board-paper-bulldog/#:~:text=Six%20faculty%20members%2C%20three%20elected,large%20members%20must%20be%20alumni.

As I said earlier, the only reason the pres. Is involved is because it's an NCAA requirement. Do you recall the lawsuit UGA and Oklahoma won against the NCAA in 82? For the last half dozen years I've wondered why you haven't gotten out of Montana like Sam did when he got started as an AD. What he built in Miami was something.

Also of note is that athletics receive less than three percent of it's funding from the state, which does own the ground and facilities as UGA is also a Land Grant Institution as is Texas A&M.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Yes, I am now persuaded that much of UGA athletics is in the foundation/501c3. That non-profit is overseen by the UGA president, who appoints most of the members of the board and is the chairman of the board. There are a number of professors on the board. See link. https://georgiadogs.com/sports/2017/9/13/university-of-georgia-athletics-association-board-of-directors

Again, the non-profit is a 501c3, which, by law, can't "provide athletic facilities or equipment". There much be a separate entity or the university that owns the facilities and equipment, as the non-profit can't.

The Athletic Association seems to be run just like an athletic department. Has the same staff, employees and coaches, including an athletic director. Is overseen by a board chaired by the university president, who appoints most of the board. The president reports to the university board of regents and above them the state legislature. "Since the president appoints the board, people tend to not speak up, from Scates’ experience."

The Athletic Association is an "instrumentality" of the board of regents. See below.

UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION INC
↳ BOARD OF REGENTS INSTRUMENTALITY

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/580652518

So, it appears that much of the university's athletic program is within the foundation/non-profit, instead of directly in the university with a separate foundation, like at UM. However, it is run by the president and the AD.

Other than minor differences that may be caused by the structure, I don't see anything of substance that is different than most athletic departments like at UM.

"According to the bylaws, the UGA athletic board of directors shall have “general control” over athletics. There are 19 voting members of the board, broken down as follows:

The President, who is now Jere Morehead.
The provost (Pamela Whitten).
The vice president for finance and administration (Ryan Nesbit).
The faculty rep for athletics (David Shipley).
Six faculty members, three elected by the university council, and three who are appointed by UGA’s president.
Seven members “at large” who are elected from what’s referred to as the Nominations Committee (which consists of other board members). Six of these seven at-large members must be alumni.
The sitting president of the UGA alumni association.
A full-time student who is elected annually.
The appointed and elected members (other than the student rep) serve three-year terms. You can be re-appointed, but serve no more than three terms.

When members join the board, they are provided with two complimentary season tickets for football, and one parking pass, and two complimentary season tickets for other sports upon request. Board members attend three meetings per year, in September, February and May.

Once you serve nine years, you reach emeritus status. But the board can also under “special circumstances” name an emeritus member who has only served four years. Emeritus members are no longer among the voting members but bylaws state they “shall have such privilege and rights as designated” by the board."

"The athletics director is not officially a board member. But he sits next to the president at the meetings, and often leads – or guides – the meetings. The AD basically provides the agenda.

It’s very rare for someone to speak out at board meetings. One of the few instances was in September 2011, after the football team’s 0-2 start, when Lawhorne – a former Bulldog player – expressed concern about “the state of our football program.”

But public debate is unusual."

[So, the board just sits silent and rubber stamps anything voted on."

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/dawgnation/special-report-uga-athletic-board-paper-bulldog/#:~:text=Six%20faculty%20members%2C%20three%20elected,large%20members%20must%20be%20alumni.

As I said earlier, the only reason the pres. Is involved is because it's an NCAA requirement. Do you recall the lawsuit UGA and Oklahoma won against the NCAA in 82? For the last half dozen years I've wondered why you haven't gotten out of Montana like Sam did when he got started as an AD. What he built in Miami was something.

Also of note is that athletics receive less than three percent of it's funding from the state, which does own the ground and facilities as UGA is also a Land Grant Institution as is Texas A&M.

Nope, the president is involved and the boss, for many other reasons. The university set up the UGA non-profit and thus controls it. The non-profit is an instrumentality of the board of regent.

"The University of Georgia athletic department generated an eye-popping $179,295,904 million in revenue while posting $138,757,891 in operating expenses during the 2019-2020 fiscal year ending last July.

Those numbers reflect more than a $5 million bump in revenue from the year before ($174,042,482) and nearly a $5 million reduction in operating expenses from 2018-2019 ($143,299,554).

UGA ranked fifth in the nation in athletic department revenue last year, per a USA Today report."

Note the reference to the AGA athletic department.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/georgia-athletic-revenue/

No, I don't recall the '82 suit. I lived out of state for many years.