Peter Nguyen

[garizzalies]

You have a right to your opinion...it's just that your a minority

he prefers the phrase "person of color."

 

[grizindabox]

PR, once again, who cares which player fumbled the ball more often, they both dropped way too damn often.

 

[Raider]

Summary:

1) Regardless of any stats you guys want to pull out of your anus, Peter put the ball on the the turf way too much, period. End of story.

2) You fu-kers have way too much time on your hands, period. End of story.

 

[PlayerRep]

Summary:

1) Regardless of any stats you guys want to pull out of your anus, Peter put the ball on the the turf way too much, period. End of story.

2) You fu-kers have way too much time on your hands, period. End of story.

What a dumb post you just made. End of story. Nguyen lost about 4, or maybe 5, fumbles as a rb/receiver, in his 4-year career. Not alot. End of story. Yup, too many dropped punts, mostly in his sophomore and junior years.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, once again, who cares which player fumbled the ball more often, they both dropped way too damn often.

If people like you are going to hammer Nguyen for fumbles, but ignore the fumbles of others, then I care--and I'm going to set the record straight.

 

[grizindabox]

PR, once again, who cares which player fumbled the ball more often, they both dropped way too damn often.

If people like you are going to hammer Nguyen for fumbles, but ignore the fumbles of others, then I care--and I'm going to set the record straight.

Funny, thought the post you quoted said both fumbled too dang often, and I noted in another post that JC has a tendency to put the ball on the ground too much also. PR...reading fail.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, once again, who cares which player fumbled the ball more often, they both dropped way too damn often.

If people like you are going to hammer Nguyen for fumbles, but ignore the fumbles of others, then I care--and I'm going to set the record straight.

Funny, thought the post you quoted said both fumbled too dang often, and I noted in another post that JC has a tendency to put the ball on the ground too much also. PR...reading fail.

Yes, I said and believe those things, but that's either the full story or the only story. Can you not understand that nobody likes fumbles, but that doesn't mean that Nguyen had more fumbles, as a running back and receiver, than all of the other backs. Two different subjects.

 

[grizindabox]

PR, once again, who cares which player fumbled the ball more often, they both dropped way too damn often.

If people like you are going to hammer Nguyen for fumbles, but ignore the fumbles of others, then I care--and I'm going to set the record straight.

Funny, thought the post you quoted said both fumbled too dang often, and I noted in another post that JC has a tendency to put the ball on the ground too much also. PR...reading fail.

Yes, I said and believe those things, but that's either the full story or the only story. Can you not understand that nobody likes fumbles, but that doesn't mean that Nguyen had more fumbles, as a running back and receiver, than all of the other backs. Two different subjects.

My point: This entire conversation is stupid, but continue, it just reinforces what everyone already knows.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I like fumbles. My favorite part of Wide World of Sports was always the "agony of defeat" segment.

 

[grizindabox]

I like fumbles. My favorite part of Wide World of Sports was always the "agony of defeat" segment.

Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards

 

[CrunchGriz]

I like fumbles. My favorite part of Wide World of Sports was always the "agony of defeat" segment.

Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards

Actually, the skier in that famous Wide World of Sports clip was Slovenian Vinko Bogataj, skiing under the colors of the then Yugoslavia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinko_Bogataj

Eddie was "the agony of defeat" for a completely different reason.

 

[AZGrizFan]

That's great. But his "lost" rate was significantly higher than the norm on return touches. You can't just discount that because it makes his overall number look worse.

The chances of fumbling punts and kickoffs are higher than fumbling as a running back or receiver. That's just a fact. Nguyen fumbled too many punts/kickoffs, but these stats show that he fumbled fewer times as a running back and receiver than Moore did. That too is a fact.

Do you have some link that backs up that "fact"? Anything other than a sample set of Peter Nguyen?

If I did the math right, 369 of the 457 touches were runs or passes, or 79%. 79% of 8 (fumbles) is 6.32. So, by proportion of fumbles from run/pass to returns, if they were proportional, over 6 of the fumbles would be from run/pass and less than 2 from returns. I think at least 4 of the fumbles in the past 3 years were from returns. Probably 5. Do you disagree? At least 1 return fumble last fall. At least 2 return fumbles the prior year. At least 2 return fumbles his sophomore year. I would guess Moore had more fumbles last fall, than Nguyen did from run/pass plays in his last 3 years.

Please don't tell me that you don't know that fumbles from punt and kick returns, are more common and likely than fumbles from runs and pass catches.

So, just as I suspected, your sample set includes Peter Nguyen. Period.

 

[Raider]

Summary:

1) Regardless of any stats you guys want to pull out of your anus, Peter put the ball on the the turf way too much, period. End of story.

2) You fu-kers have way too much time on your hands, period. End of story.

What a dumb post you just made. End of story. Nguyen lost about 4, or maybe 5, fumbles as a rb/receiver, in his 4-year career. Not alot. End of story. Yup, too many dropped punts, mostly in his sophomore and junior years.

Point #2, proven, ratified, and hammered home.

Thank you.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed. Both had very good careers, and were exciting to watch. Both had strong work ethics, and hearts of champions. Both are very nice guys. No one likes fumbles or bad plays, including players, but no fumble or bad play by either of them diminished my view of them in any respect. I have nothing but respect for them and their quality of play. I loved how Moore was able to fight back from bad injuries, with basically hard work and desire. They will be missed.

Agreed on all fronts, but none of that can change the fact that you chose to ignore statistics or twist them to fit your argument.

 

[PlayerRep]

Agreed. Both had very good careers, and were exciting to watch. Both had strong work ethics, and hearts of champions. Both are very nice guys. No one likes fumbles or bad plays, including players, but no fumble or bad play by either of them diminished my view of them in any respect. I have nothing but respect for them and their quality of play. I loved how Moore was able to fight back from bad injuries, with basically hard work and desire. They will be missed.

Agreed on all fronts, but none of that can change the fact that you chose to ignore statistics or twist them to fit your argument.

No, I didn't. After looking at the stats (most which I already had in my head), I could see that some things people were making were not supported by the facts, including the stats. I provided stats to correct and counter the misstatements being made and to support my argument. If you or others want to use stats to your support your arguments, go for it.

 

[PlayerRep]

The chances of fumbling punts and kickoffs are higher than fumbling as a running back or receiver. That's just a fact. Nguyen fumbled too many punts/kickoffs, but these stats show that he fumbled fewer times as a running back and receiver than Moore did. That too is a fact.

Do you have some link that backs up that "fact"? Anything other than a sample set of Peter Nguyen?

If I did the math right, 369 of the 457 touches were runs or passes, or 79%. 79% of 8 (fumbles) is 6.32. So, by proportion of fumbles from run/pass to returns, if they were proportional, over 6 of the fumbles would be from run/pass and less than 2 from returns. I think at least 4 of the fumbles in the past 3 years were from returns. Probably 5. Do you disagree? At least 1 return fumble last fall. At least 2 return fumbles the prior year. At least 2 return fumbles his sophomore year. I would guess Moore had more fumbles last fall, than Nguyen did from run/pass plays in his last 3 years.

Please don't tell me that you don't know that fumbles from punt and kick returns, are more common and likely than fumbles from runs and pass catches.

So, just as I suspected, your sample set includes Peter Nguyen. Period.

Anyone who actually understands the game knows that fumbles occur more often on returns, especially punts, compared to regular running and passing plays.

 

[ilovethecats]

PR is right on this one. i remember a study in the nfl a few years ago where they broke down fumbles and their conclusion seems to be in line with player's. although i think they combined rushing and receiving fumbles and compared them to punt and kick return fumbles. but the percentages weren't real close. something like 1% of all touches running and receiving were fumbled and it was as high as 6 or 7% on all touches kick and punt returning were fumbled.

makes sense when you think about it. basically you got 11 guys trying to kill you every time you return a punt or kick. well...10 and a half considering the kicker. there would be a lot more fumbles if every running back faced 11 man fronts.

 

[AZGrizFan]

PR is right on this one. i remember a study in the nfl a few years ago where they broke down fumbles and their conclusion seems to be in line with player's. although i think they combined rushing and receiving fumbles and compared them to punt and kick return fumbles. but the percentages weren't real close. something like 1% of all touches running and receiving were fumbled and it was as high as 6 or 7% on all touches kick and punt returning were fumbled.

makes sense when you think about it. basically you got 11 guys trying to kill you every time you return a punt or kick. well...10 and a half considering the kicker. there would be a lot more fumbles if every running back faced 11 man fronts.

All I asked him for was a source. A link. ANYTHING. Instead, he foams at the mouth and throws around insults. Hell, there are times I disagree with him JUST TO SEE his reaction... :lol:

 

[mtgrizrule]

PR is right on this one. i remember a study in the nfl a few years ago where they broke down fumbles and their conclusion seems to be in line with player's. although i think they combined rushing and receiving fumbles and compared them to punt and kick return fumbles. but the percentages weren't real close. something like 1% of all touches running and receiving were fumbled and it was as high as 6 or 7% on all touches kick and punt returning were fumbled.

makes sense when you think about it. basically you got 11 guys trying to kill you every time you return a punt or kick. well...10 and a half considering the kicker. there would be a lot more fumbles if every running back faced 11 man fronts.

All I asked him for was a source. A link. ANYTHING. Instead, he foams at the mouth and throws around insults. Hell, there are times I disagree with him JUST TO SEE his reaction... :lol:

That is hilarious AZ. :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

PR is right on this one. i remember a study in the nfl a few years ago where they broke down fumbles and their conclusion seems to be in line with player's. although i think they combined rushing and receiving fumbles and compared them to punt and kick return fumbles. but the percentages weren't real close. something like 1% of all touches running and receiving were fumbled and it was as high as 6 or 7% on all touches kick and punt returning were fumbled.

makes sense when you think about it. basically you got 11 guys trying to kill you every time you return a punt or kick. well...10 and a half considering the kicker. there would be a lot more fumbles if every running back faced 11 man fronts.

All I asked him for was a source. A link. ANYTHING. Instead, he foams at the mouth and throws around insults. Hell, there are times I disagree with him JUST TO SEE his reaction... :lol:

Asking for an link for such an obvious fact, i.e. that fumbles on returns are more likely to occur than on run/pass catches, is pretty funny in and of itself. 6 or 7 more times likely, and you can't see that? Even if you never played the game, do you not even watch what's going on? My god, no wonder it's so hard to discuss football with some of you guys.