Opening Game

[Bay Area Cat]

Here's a thought -- Carrol College vs. The University of Montana.

It's not unheard of as I know Montana Tech played at Idaho State a couple years back.

There's no upside for UM in this one.

They win by 100, and they are viewed by many locals as the big school bullies that beat up on the small school (stocked almost exclusively with local kids).

They don't win by 100, and worse yet, have a close game, and it is a running joke for the next 5 years.

Lose the game, and the program is in serious, serious trouble.

Whereas a no-name out of state D-II school ... you have some humiliation factor in a loss or a close game, but nothing compared to what would come from a local team. And if you win by 100 ... nobody gets upset. In fact, everybody is happy locally.

I think it would be foolish for UM or MSU to ever schedule a local NAIA team ... and that's before getting to the part about them being an NAIA (and why that in itself is bad for a FCS team).

I couldn't disagree more. The NAIA is the equivilant to NCAA D-II. As a matter of fact, Carroll College has beat Central Washington several times in the past couple years if I'm not correct. It was just last year that UM had Central Washington on their schedule before they bought it out and replaced it with the Iowa game.

So if they have common opponents on their schedules, why is it unheard of for them to play eachother?

There are plenty of reasons to agrue against the game, but I don't think that Carroll not being a quality opponent or what would it mean for the Griz if they lost are good ones.

I also don't think that Carroll College or the NAIA get enough respect. Carroll is no pushover. Everyone knows they are a 4-time NAIA National Champion and I for one have always wondered how a game between the two programs would end up. UM is still looking to fill the gap, so it's at least worth considering.

It's interesting ... you said that you couldn't disagree with me more ... but you didn't say a single solitary thing that contradicted a single thing I said or spoke to any of the points I referred to.

(It was GB1 who was talking about the quality of CC, not me).

And if you guys think that playing a MT NAIA school is a good idea, that's cool with me.

I just happen to know that there is no upside in it for UM at all (unless you guys really think you need to lure CC fans to Missoula to sell tickets, which doesn't appear to be the case), and the fact that neither MSU or UM has ever scheduled an NAIA MT school in the modern age seems to reinforce that theory.

UM has nothing to gain, and everything to lose ... even if they win.

 

[grassgrunt]

Here's a thought -- Carrol College vs. The University of Montana.

It's not unheard of as I know Montana Tech played at Idaho State a couple years back.

There's no upside for UM in this one.

They win by 100, and they are viewed by many locals as the big school bullies that beat up on the small school (stocked almost exclusively with local kids).

They don't win by 100, and worse yet, have a close game, and it is a running joke for the next 5 years.

Lose the game, and the program is in serious, serious trouble.

Whereas a no-name out of state D-II school ... you have some humiliation factor in a loss or a close game, but nothing compared to what would come from a local team. And if you win by 100 ... nobody gets upset. In fact, everybody is happy locally.

I think it would be foolish for UM or MSU to ever schedule a local NAIA team ... and that's before getting to the part about them being an NAIA (and why that in itself is bad for a FCS team).

I couldn't disagree more. The NAIA is the equivilant to NCAA D-II. As a matter of fact, Carroll College has beat Central Washington several times in the past couple years if I'm not correct. It was just last year that UM had Central Washington on their schedule before they bought it out and replaced it with the Iowa game.

So if they have common opponents on their schedules, why is it unheard of for them to play eachother?

There are plenty of reasons to agrue against the game, but I don't think that Carroll not being a quality opponent or what would it mean for the Griz if they lost are good ones.

I also don't think that Carroll College or the NAIA get enough respect. Carroll is no pushover. Everyone knows they are a 4-time NAIA National Champion and I for one have always wondered how a game between the two programs would end up. UM is still looking to fill the gap, so it's at least worth considering.

It's interesting ... you said that you couldn't disagree with me more ... but you didn't say a single solitary thing that contradicted a single thing I said or spoke to any of the points I referred to.

(It was GB1 who was talking about the quality of CC, not me).

And if you guys think that playing a MT NAIA school is a good idea, that's cool with me.

I just happen to know that there is no upside in it for UM at all (unless you guys really think you need to lure CC fans to Missoula to sell tickets, which doesn't appear to be the case), and the fact that neither MSU or UM has ever scheduled an NAIA MT school in the modern age seems to reinforce that theory.

UM has nothing to gain, and everything to lose ... even if they win.

Couldn't agree more, unless the Saints game could be setup as a scrimmage of some sort.

Unless we can schedule a big $$$$$$.$$ game, we need to reschedule the rabbits game!

 

[Grizbacker1]

Oh please. Playing Carroll is a joke. They wouldn't stand a chance against msu or UM. I almost wish it would happen so you people that think Carrol could play 4 Qtrs with the Griz or cats could see them get their asses handed to them. Do they have some kids who could play at Montana or msu? Of course, just like the Griz have guys who could play up. Take a look at the size and speed difference, the depth, come on people, wake up and smell the coffee. I know this is the slow season on Egriz, but let's at least be real.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Playing Carroll is like playing Ft. Lewis State (again) and I am real sorry to see them on the schedule. If we have to play a D2 team, at least find one that is competitive. :twocents:

 

[putter]

Idaho St has scheduled Western a couple of times and won easily (37-14). If we are going to pay a school $50k why not give it to Carroll? I agree that the Saints wouldn't hang with the Griz or Cats but neither will Ft. Lewis and we have nothing to gain, including a win that counts towards our 7 wins, by beating them or Carroll.

 

[MrTitleist]

Idaho St has scheduled Western a couple of times and won easily (37-14). If we are going to pay a school $50k why not give it to Carroll? I agree that the Saints wouldn't hang with the Griz or Cats but neither will Ft. Lewis and we have nothing to gain, including a win that counts towards our 7 wins, by beating them or Carroll.

Why don't we go ahead and schedule Billings West while we're at it.. about the same caliber of athletes. I, for one, would be VERY unpleased to see Carroll come to Missoula play, I'm upset enough about Fort Lewis.. the last game against them was merely a tuneup at best.. and that was with our 8-4 team, not even this year's team. At least bring in a mid-major 1-AA team.. UND or USD (Diego or Dakota) or something.

 

[grizfnz]

At least playing Ft. Lewis would still be in an NCAA division, unlike NAIA. Either way it's a watered down product that's not worth the ticket price they will charge. But hey it's a big win for the program, the Missoula economy and the U's coffers......CUZ it's

 

[Unwrittengriz]

Backer, unwritten apparently doesn't understand the difference between an away game and a home game. Not going to SDSU, nets about $300,000 for the athletic dept., gets the fans a 7th home game, and helps the Missoula economy with another home game. The big payouts for I-A games apparently net enough dollars to forgo the 7th game.

Don't they have reading comprehension in the Ivy league? I haven't even posted in this thread. But since you brought my name up, I don't care 2 sh*ts about money. I want the Griz to be tested when it comes time for the playoffs, I want to watch competitive football whether it be in Missoula or Brookings, SD & last but not least I want the Griz to be able to schedule teams from the Gateway, GWFC & Atlantic 10. None of these things are going to happening if UM keeps dropping games at SDSU, Hofstra & Cal Poly.

 

[MrTitleist]

Don't they have reading comprehension in the Ivy league? I haven't even posted in this thread. But since you brought my name up, I don't care 2 sh*ts about money. I want the Griz to be tested when it comes time for the playoffs, I want to watch competitive football whether it be in Missoula or Brookings, SD & last but not least I want the Griz to be able to schedule teams from the Gateway, GWFC & Atlantic 10. None of these things are going to happening if UM keeps dropping games at SDSU, Hofstra & Cal Poly.

Amen.

 

[AZGrizFan]

FYI,

A poster PM'd me regarding my comment about "wake up O'Day". I was totally joking, Jim and I are close friends.

So you start a rumor about UM playing USC, then tell your close frield Jim O'Day, then use his quote about it in the paper as proof that it's true? :shocked: :shocked:

Your posts reminds me of the other Az who is so popular on here. :dance:

Go read this thread.

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=19611

And learn how to take a joke. I just think it's funny you don't see the irony in your circular argument.

 

[Grizbacker1]

FYI,

A poster PM'd me regarding my comment about "wake up O'Day". I was totally joking, Jim and I are close friends.

So you start a rumor about UM playing USC, then tell your close frield Jim O'Day, then use his quote about it in the paper as proof that it's true? :shocked: :shocked:

Your posts reminds me of the other Az who is so popular on here. :dance:

Go read this thread.

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=19611

And learn how to take a joke. I just think it's funny you don't see the irony in your circular argument.

Az,

I can take a joke, your post is one. :laugh: are you sure you arent sybil?

 

[Downwiththefoe]

Why don't we go ahead and schedule Billings West while we're at it.. about the same caliber of athletes

Please, not this argument again - Carroll(maybe any team in the FC) would blow out any team from the High School ranks in Montana.

back on topic- my apologies.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Here's a thought -- Carrol College vs. The University of Montana.

It's not unheard of as I know Montana Tech played at Idaho State a couple years back.

There's no upside for UM in this one.

They win by 100, and they are viewed by many locals as the big school bullies that beat up on the small school (stocked almost exclusively with local kids).

They don't win by 100, and worse yet, have a close game, and it is a running joke for the next 5 years.

Lose the game, and the program is in serious, serious trouble.

Whereas a no-name out of state D-II school ... you have some humiliation factor in a loss or a close game, but nothing compared to what would come from a local team. And if you win by 100 ... nobody gets upset. In fact, everybody is happy locally.

I think it would be foolish for UM or MSU to ever schedule a local NAIA team ... and that's before getting to the part about them being an NAIA (and why that in itself is bad for a FCS team).

I couldn't disagree more. The NAIA is the equivilant to NCAA D-II. As a matter of fact, Carroll College has beat Central Washington several times in the past couple years if I'm not correct. It was just last year that UM had Central Washington on their schedule before they bought it out and replaced it with the Iowa game.

So if they have common opponents on their schedules, why is it unheard of for them to play eachother?

There are plenty of reasons to agrue against the game, but I don't think that Carroll not being a quality opponent or what would it mean for the Griz if they lost are good ones.

I also don't think that Carroll College or the NAIA get enough respect. Carroll is no pushover. Everyone knows they are a 4-time NAIA National Champion and I for one have always wondered how a game between the two programs would end up. UM is still looking to fill the gap, so it's at least worth considering.

It's interesting ... you said that you couldn't disagree with me more ... but you didn't say a single solitary thing that contradicted a single thing I said or spoke to any of the points I referred to.

(It was GB1 who was talking about the quality of CC, not me).

And if you guys think that playing a MT NAIA school is a good idea, that's cool with me.

I just happen to know that there is no upside in it for UM at all (unless you guys really think you need to lure CC fans to Missoula to sell tickets, which doesn't appear to be the case), and the fact that neither MSU or UM has ever scheduled an NAIA MT school in the modern age seems to reinforce that theory.

UM has nothing to gain, and everything to lose ... even if they win.

To clarify my response – I took your first scenario of Carroll losing by 100 points as your opinion that Carroll was not a quality opponent. I took your second scenario of a Griz loss to Carroll putting the UM program in serious, serious trouble as another assertion of your opinion that Carroll was not a quality opponent. After all, why would losing to a quality opponent put the UM program in serious, serious trouble?

It was based on your obvious opinion about Carroll or any other NAIA program not being a quality opponent that I first qualified my opinion by pointing out that the NAIA is equivalent to the NCAA D-II schools and further supported this statement by pointing out that Carroll actually beat D-II Central Washington in 2004. This is the same Central Washington that was scheduled to play the Griz last year before the money game with Iowa became available.

So I guess what’s interesting is why you couldn’t make the connection. I guess next time I should include pictures for the MSU fans. :msugrad:

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Playing Carroll is like playing Ft. Lewis State (again) and I am real sorry to see them on the schedule. If we have to play a D2 team, at least find one that is competitive. :twocents:

This is a great point. Play one or the other, but not both in the same season. To be clear though I think Carroll is just as worthy of an opponent as Fort Lewis or Central Washington is, if not more.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Here's a thought -- Carrol College vs. The University of Montana.

It's not unheard of as I know Montana Tech played at Idaho State a couple years back.

And people are bitching about L&C game? Carroll would get their asses kicked all over WaGriz. Anyone who thinks and NAIA school can hang is nuts

Not many folks would have argued against a similar statement about Boise State and Oklahoma a couple weeks ago:

And what about the Fiesta Bowl? Boise will get their asses kicked all over field. Anyone who thinks a WAC school can hang with a Big 12 school is nuts.

I for one am glad BSU had the opportunity to play Oklahoma. Which is why I still think a Griz-Saints game would be a fun game to watch.

 

['68griz]

For gawd's sake, both Boise State and Oklahoma are 1-A schools (or whatever they're called now). UM and Carroll don't even come close to being in the same division, and should never, never, ever, ever be on the same playing field.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

For gawd's sake, both Boise State and Oklahoma are 1-A schools (or whatever they're called now). UM and Carroll don't even come close to being in the same division, and should never, never, ever, ever be on the same playing field.

Again, the NAIA is comparible to NCAA D-II and it was just last season that MSU lost to D-II Chadron State in the second game of the season. Also, Carroll and UM both had D-II Central Washington on thier schedule in recent years (Carroll beat them, Griz played Iowa instead). For these reasons I disagree with the statement that Carroll shouldn't ever be on the same playing field as UM. :twocents:

 

[Hells bells]

For gawd's sake, both Boise State and Oklahoma are 1-A schools (or whatever they're called now). UM and Carroll don't even come close to being in the same division, and should never, never, ever, ever be on the same playing field.

Again, the NAIA is comparible to NCAA D-II and it was just last season that MSU lost to D-II Chadron State in the second game of the season. Also, Carroll and UM both had D-II Central Washington on thier schedule in recent years (Carroll beat them, Griz played Iowa instead). For these reasons I disagree with the statement that Carroll shouldn't ever be on the same playing field as UM. :twocents:

I would love a Msu or UM v Carrol game but if that were to happen both the cats and griz will have a lot to loose even if they won

 

[Bozgriz]

Yeah, expand the stadium so we can watch NAIA teams...I'll pretend I didn't read that-

 

[griztastic]

I really don't understand those of you who would like the Griz to continue to play DII and NAIA games....I just don't get it. Do you just want some padding for the record? I'd rather see us play Cal Poly or NDSU or at least another school in our division. Challenge them as they would want to be challenged. They have earned the right to play at this level...why drop them down? And on the complete other side of it....How big of a dumba$$ are you when you lose to one of these teams??? I don't want to watch either way.