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One more year

behappp

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I think Stitt is an excellent recruiter.
But he can't coach at this level.
How many years do we want to watch this Stitt for him to learn how to excel at this level?

Go back and look at the early on posts by UMGriz75 - He consistently said that Stitt's record at Mines was not that great. Yes he has a creative offensive mind. But it takes more than that to win at the top levels.

He has his handpicked guy in Semore and we have consistently come out at the beginning of the games giving up TDs on long passes. There are some games (NAU) where we never were able to make adjustments and stop those long passes. Our opponents often made us work the ball down the field with small gains. The old bend but don't break mentality. Semore wanted to bring in an aggressive gambling style of defense. That is exactly what we have and I'm kind of hoping for the old ways right now. They score so quickly that we will always win TOP. Winning the TOP isn't the goal. Scoring more points than your opponent is.

It doesn't take a genius to see that we have been outplayed on ST in almost every game we have played this year. A stool cannot stand on 2 legs and a football team needs good offense, defense and special team play to win somewhere beside WA-Griz. We have one of the best open field, game-breaking runners I've seen since the days of Heidelberger and Segars. JLM needs to be returning kicks next year. Even if means that we can't throw 100 bubble screens a game to him. We have lots of good receivers. We have no open field runner that compares to JLM. In fact, if I remember correctly he had one of the best punt returns I've ever seen earlier in the year.

Offensively - Stitt finally learned that no matter what the odds say, you cannot consistently go for it on 4th down, especially in your own half of the field. The risk/reward of the momentum of getting it versus not is just too much to make it worthwhile most of the time. I look at coaches like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer and they understand the importance of field position.

One more year. Last year, after we beat NDSU at home, I had a private conversation with someone who knows a lot more about football and coaching than I ever will. He told me that we won't know about Stitt until his third year. Then he will have his team and players in place. He was very optimistic, as was I. I will talk to him again at some point, but I have lost my confidence that Stitt can excel at this level. And I don't think it is because he doesn't recruit the talent to succeed.

We'll know at this time next year. I hope to God that I'm wrong and we are well on our way to a deep playoff run by the time we get to the Brawl 2017. But you are what your record says you are. And Stitt's record says he is a very average head coach.
 
Not disagreeing with the premise of your post. Very well written. But, I will ask this. Did you tell Kent all these things BEFORE he hired Stitt? After all, Stitt was what his record said BEFORE he got here, so did you voice those concerns through the proper channels? I love Egriz, but I don't think it's the proper channel to accomplish anything, especially anonymously.
 
havgrizfan said:
Not disagreeing with the premise of your post. Very well written. But, I will ask this. Did you tell Kent all these things BEFORE he hired Stitt? After all, Stitt was what his record said BEFORE he got here, so did you voice those concerns through the proper channels? I love Egriz, but I don't think it's the proper channel to accomplish anything, especially anonymously.

It's not a "proper channel"....it's a fan message board. It accomplishes zero. Nobody needs a lesson.

You are quite the fan manager...can you post the article you wrote a few years ago lecturing Northern Fans to not act like Griz fans? That was a classic.
 
Many people questioned Haslem about this hire. In fact I believe some that wanted Bobby withheld financially. Haslem may have made his worse hire as an athletic director. I believe the cat game is pivitol going into his third year.
 
havgrizfan said:
Not disagreeing with the premise of your post. Very well written. But, I will ask this. Did you tell Kent all these things BEFORE he hired Stitt? After all, Stitt was what his record said BEFORE he got here, so did you voice those concerns through the proper channels? I love Egriz, but I don't think it's the proper channel to accomplish anything, especially anonymously.

I don't know Kent,but I never said and don't believe that he made a mistake in trying Stitt as the head coach. In fact, in my post I said I was very optimistic when Stitt was hired. I am not optimistic now, but as I titled my post, we should give him 1 more year. But based on what I see, I don't believe he can turn it around. I hope that I am totally wrong and you call me out next year. I really do think he has gotten a certain excitement back in Griz football that was waning with the whole JJ/Krakauer krap. Mick was good as a placeholder but he too was not a coach that was going to take us to and occasionally win the chipper.

Stitt is an excellent recruiter. I am satisfied about the type of player he gets - good students that are good athletes. If this were Northern Colorado, I would think he would have a long, successful career as a coach that can make the playoffs and sometimes host a playoff game in front of 7, 000 fans.

But we are spoiled here in Missoula. We have come to expect more. We had it with Don Read, Joe Glenn, Bobby Hauck and Robin Pflugrad. I would trade Pflu for Engstrom in a heartbeat, but that is not happening. You can't go back.

Going forward, I would hope that Kent would let Stitt know that his job is on the line and he expects more from his program than just winning 1 playoff game in 2 years. I'm sure Stitt doesn't need to be told that but it is only fair to Stitt to remind him of one's expectations.

And Kent needs to be ready to start making a list of coaches that he thinks can succeed here. If this team regresses next year, like I believe it has this year then we should not wait any longer. If Stitt can get his team to win more than one playoff game next year, then he should be offered an extension to his contract.

I will copy and email this post to Kent as I found his email address on the UM website. I am just one idiotic fan and I will continue to get my season tickets and waste my time on egriz, even if we are a continual .500 football team. I think Kent has made 2 outstanding hires in DeCuire and Shannon Schweyen.

I would be curious as to your opinion of Stitt as our head coach, especially if next year is similar to this year.
 
behappp said:
havgrizfan said:
Not disagreeing with the premise of your post. Very well written. But, I will ask this. Did you tell Kent all these things BEFORE he hired Stitt? After all, Stitt was what his record said BEFORE he got here, so did you voice those concerns through the proper channels? I love Egriz, but I don't think it's the proper channel to accomplish anything, especially anonymously.

I don't know Kent,but I never said and don't believe that he made a mistake in trying Stitt as the head coach. In fact, in my post I said I was very optimistic when Stitt was hired. I am not optimistic now, but as I titled my post, we should give him 1 more year. But based on what I see, I don't believe he can turn it around. I hope that I am totally wrong and you call me out next year. I really do think he has gotten a certain excitement back in Griz football that was waning with the whole JJ/Krakauer krap. Mick was good as a placeholder but he too was not a coach that was going to take us to and occasionally win the chipper.

Stitt is an excellent recruiter. I am satisfied about the type of player he gets - good students that are good athletes. If this were Northern Colorado, I would think he would have a long, successful career as a coach that can make the playoffs and sometimes host a playoff game in front of 7, 000 fans.

But we are spoiled here in Missoula. We have come to expect more. We had it with Don Read, Joe Glenn, Bobby Hauck and Robin Pflugrad. I would trade Pflu for Engstrom in a heartbeat, but that is not happening. You can't go back.

Going forward, I would hope that Kent would let Stitt know that his job is on the line and he expects more from his program than just winning 1 playoff game in 2 years. I'm sure Stitt doesn't need to be told that but it is only fair to Stitt to remind him of one's expectations.

And Kent needs to be ready to start making a list of coaches that he thinks can succeed here. If this team regresses next year, like I believe it has this year then we should not wait any longer. If Stitt can get his team to win more than one playoff game next year, then he should be offered an extension to his contract.

I will copy and email this post to Kent as I found his email address on the UM website. I am just one idiotic fan and I will continue to get my season tickets and waste my time on egriz, even if we are a continual .500 football team. I think Kent has made 2 outstanding hires in DeCuire and Shannon Schweyen.

I would be curious as to your opinion of Stitt as our head coach, especially if next year is similar to this year.

Hard part in all this would be if we can Stitt we have a team full of kids recruited for his style. That said we would be looking for a coach that runs a spread offense. Which luckily most college teams seem to know.

UM will have the new Champion Center done or near done and simply can't afford to have a 500 ish type season. What will really suck is having the Champ Center, WaGriz and fans to have a coach that can't get his team to perform / win.

Stitts record at Mines was mediocre. One would assume he would produce the same results at UM and that's what we are seeing.

I am not a bad fan. I freakin bleed Maroon and Silver. I am proud and passionate about Griz football. I want to have that dominant swagger when talking about Griz football again. I just don't think we will have that with this Stitt show we have.
 
I wish I had enough patience to bookmark this and revive it at the end of next year.

I find it SUPER unlikely you feel the same about Stitt next year when he finally has his recruits across the board and a MUCH better o-line.
 
Eriul said:
I wish I had enough patience to bookmark this and revive it at the end of next year.

I find it SUPER unlikely you feel the same about Stitt next year when he finally has his recruits across the board and a MUCH better o-line.
I don't care who he recruits. If he can't get his teams to win on the road, what difference does it make whether they're his recruits or not???
 
RobGriz said:
Eriul said:
I wish I had enough patience to bookmark this and revive it at the end of next year.

I find it SUPER unlikely you feel the same about Stitt next year when he finally has his recruits across the board and a MUCH better o-line.
I don't care who he recruits. If he can't get his teams to win on the road, what difference does it make whether they're his recruits or not???

I struggle to see them being much better next season.
 
eh I would make some post about how almost every unit improves next year but you guys hate logic so... we will let time tell
 
behappp said:
havgrizfan said:
Not disagreeing with the premise of your post. Very well written. But, I will ask this. Did you tell Kent all these things BEFORE he hired Stitt? After all, Stitt was what his record said BEFORE he got here, so did you voice those concerns through the proper channels? I love Egriz, but I don't think it's the proper channel to accomplish anything, especially anonymously.

I don't know Kent,but I never said and don't believe that he made a mistake in trying Stitt as the head coach. In fact, in my post I said I was very optimistic when Stitt was hired. I am not optimistic now, but as I titled my post, we should give him 1 more year. But based on what I see, I don't believe he can turn it around. I hope that I am totally wrong and you call me out next year. I really do think he has gotten a certain excitement back in Griz football that was waning with the whole JJ/Krakauer krap. Mick was good as a placeholder but he too was not a coach that was going to take us to and occasionally win the chipper.

Stitt is an excellent recruiter. I am satisfied about the type of player he gets - good students that are good athletes. If this were Northern Colorado, I would think he would have a long, successful career as a coach that can make the playoffs and sometimes host a playoff game in front of 7, 000 fans.

But we are spoiled here in Missoula. We have come to expect more. We had it with Don Read, Joe Glenn, Bobby Hauck and Robin Pflugrad. I would trade Pflu for Engstrom in a heartbeat, but that is not happening. You can't go back.

Going forward, I would hope that Kent would let Stitt know that his job is on the line and he expects more from his program than just winning 1 playoff game in 2 years. I'm sure Stitt doesn't need to be told that but it is only fair to Stitt to remind him of one's expectations.

And Kent needs to be ready to start making a list of coaches that he thinks can succeed here. If this team regresses next year, like I believe it has this year then we should not wait any longer. If Stitt can get his team to win more than one playoff game next year, then he should be offered an extension to his contract.

I will copy and email this post to Kent as I found his email address on the UM website. I am just one idiotic fan and I will continue to get my season tickets and waste my time on egriz, even if we are a continual .500 football team. I think Kent has made 2 outstanding hires in DeCuire and Shannon Schweyen.

I would be curious as to your opinion of Stitt as our head coach, especially if next year is similar to this year.

You mentioned UNC. It might not be a bad idea to look at their coach as a future Griz hire. Talk about turning a around a loser program. Winless a few years ago to his 2nd winning season? Not bad.....
 
CV Griz Fan said:
You mentioned UNC. It might not be a bad idea to look at their coach as a future Griz hire. Talk about turning a around a loser program. Winless a few years ago to his 2nd winning season? Not bad.....

Would not even consider Collins.
 
Great post! Very well written and you reflected everything I feel about Stitt. I wish him all the best and hope for a very successful run next year. But if the season goes like the previous two then a serious look to change has to be done. He certainly deserves one more year in my opinion.
 
Eriul said:
I wish I had enough patience to bookmark this and revive it at the end of next year.

I find it SUPER unlikely you feel the same about Stitt next year when he finally has his recruits across the board and a MUCH better o-line.
That's why it's titled one more year and not "do it now"
 
And you even said that a friend of yours that is much more knowledgeable told you to give him all 3 years yet you have already given up on him.

Your words not mine. As I said. It is extremely unlikely that next year we have a worse year or even are out of the playoffs if Stitt is left to do his thing
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
CV Griz Fan said:
You mentioned UNC. It might not be a bad idea to look at their coach as a future Griz hire. Talk about turning a around a loser program. Winless a few years ago to his 2nd winning season? Not bad.....

Would not even consider Collins.

Especially after his clock management at the end of the game...
 
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