Official Depth Chart PDF

[BWahlberg]

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mont/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/release/release_final.pdf

Lots of freshman. Much to the dismay of Growler and all others from the "redshirt everyone" group.

Nice roster document; I'm not finding a .pdf of the depth chart as advertised.

I noticed that today - they changed it, it used to be a depth chart.

 

[GrizDDS]

Some questions/comments I have:
1) what happened to A. Richards. He's not listed with the TEs.
2) I don't like the idea of Kidder moving to DT. I realize we need depth there but that does not seem like his natural position. IMO, he should redshirt and play DE. I like length at the DE position and stout boys at DT. I'd hate to have him turn into another Bender.
3) I'd switch Poole and Poehls. Poehls, with his size, seems like a better fit at LT. Then we'd have two 6-8 bookends (symmetry) instead of the right side of the line averaging 3-4 inches taller than the left side.

of course, what the F do i know.

1. He's there, just been dinged up a bit, still needing to add some weight I think. Next year with Haas and Hardy graduated we'll see more of Aschan.

2. You play your best players, so where is Caleb suited best, as a 3rd string DE that never sees the field except junk time or a 2nd string DT that will rotate in and get some experience this year. He's a good tackler and he's very smart - showing he can play most all positions on the Dline.

3. No clue why you'd do that, Poole is a great tackle with quick feet and good upper body strength, Poehls is bigger (by about 40 pounds I think) and better suited at guard. Additionally Poole played tackle last year and Poehls played guard - keep them at what they're familiar with.

No, you don't play the best players, if burning a red-shirt year on an under-developed freshman, who might be 10% better than the alternative, for 10 plays a game, means losing a great senior season from a physically-mature dominant player. Just because you say he should play, Brint, does not mean that he should play. Too many of these coaches have a win-now attitude, instead of building a solid on-going program. The UM football program would be much better off if almost every freshman were red-shirted. The list of wasted years on frosh is long, and includes JJ, Heidleberger, Segars, Varona, and many more. Because UM has solid recruiting every year, we should not have to play frosh. We just re-load anyway, right Brint?

You to play to win. Seems to me you need your best players on the field to do so. No guarantees what happens down the road, so you play for now not next year or the year after that.

Yep. Pretty simple concept. Especially when there is about a 5% chance that the current head coach will be coaching 4 years from now.

 

[Fahque]

 

[BWahlberg]

Wow John Schmaing is playing two spots at once! I get what it says though, he backs up both tackles.

 

[Growler1]

1. He's there, just been dinged up a bit, still needing to add some weight I think. Next year with Haas and Hardy graduated we'll see more of Aschan.

2. You play your best players, so where is Caleb suited best, as a 3rd string DE that never sees the field except junk time or a 2nd string DT that will rotate in and get some experience this year. He's a good tackler and he's very smart - showing he can play most all positions on the Dline.

3. No clue why you'd do that, Poole is a great tackle with quick feet and good upper body strength, Poehls is bigger (by about 40 pounds I think) and better suited at guard. Additionally Poole played tackle last year and Poehls played guard - keep them at what they're familiar with.

No, you don't play the best players, if burning a red-shirt year on an under-developed freshman, who might be 10% better than the alternative, for 10 plays a game, means losing a great senior season from a physically-mature dominant player. Just because you say he should play, Brint, does not mean that he should play. Too many of these coaches have a win-now attitude, instead of building a solid on-going program. The UM football program would be much better off if almost every freshman were red-shirted. The list of wasted years on frosh is long, and includes JJ, Heidleberger, Segars, Varona, and many more. Because UM has solid recruiting every year, we should not have to play frosh. We just re-load anyway, right Brint?

You to play to win. Seems to me you need your best players on the field to do so. No guarantees what happens down the road, so you play for now not next year or the year after that.

Yep. Pretty simple concept. Especially when there is about a 5% chance that the current head coach will be coaching 4 years from now.

Read and Hauck were here many years. I could give a sh*t about a head coach who takes the job as a launching pad for his career. He is sacrificing the vitality of the Griz program for his selfish quest to win at all costs. There has never been a freshman starter for UM who has made the difference in winning or losing.

You pin heads who refuse to understand that the Griz program is strong enough with great recruiting every year so that they should not have to play true freshmen do not see the big picture. Even Tru Johnson was wasted his freshman year. And, no, he would have left early for the NFL. He would have been the best defensive player in the nation as a senior playing this year.

 

[PlayerRep]

Tru Johnson is a good example of a frosh making a major impact. In his first game (Cal Poly), UM would not have won without him.

There are multiple examples of big frosh years by o-lineman and kickers

 

[AZFAN0929]

1. He's there, just been dinged up a bit, still needing to add some weight I think. Next year with Haas and Hardy graduated we'll see more of Aschan.

2. You play your best players, so where is Caleb suited best, as a 3rd string DE that never sees the field except junk time or a 2nd string DT that will rotate in and get some experience this year. He's a good tackler and he's very smart - showing he can play most all positions on the Dline.

3. No clue why you'd do that, Poole is a great tackle with quick feet and good upper body strength, Poehls is bigger (by about 40 pounds I think) and better suited at guard. Additionally Poole played tackle last year and Poehls played guard - keep them at what they're familiar with.

No, you don't play the best players, if burning a red-shirt year on an under-developed freshman, who might be 10% better than the alternative, for 10 plays a game, means losing a great senior season from a physically-mature dominant player. Just because you say he should play, Brint, does not mean that he should play. Too many of these coaches have a win-now attitude, instead of building a solid on-going program. The UM football program would be much better off if almost every freshman were red-shirted. The list of wasted years on frosh is long, and includes JJ, Heidleberger, Segars, Varona, and many more. Because UM has solid recruiting every year, we should not have to play frosh. We just re-load anyway, right Brint?

You to play to win. Seems to me you need your best players on the field to do so. No guarantees what happens down the road, so you play for now not next year or the year after that.

Yep. Pretty simple concept. Especially when there is about a 5% chance that the current head coach will be coaching 4 years from now.

Ok! I see both thought processes. For those of you who say start your best INCLUDING Frosh, what would your Griz team look like - starters and back ups - depth chart if you prefer...??? :shock:

 

[BWahlberg]

Ok! I see both thought processes. For those of you who say start your best INCLUDING Frosh, what would your Griz team look like - starters and back ups - depth chart if you prefer...??? :shock:

Well without re-doing a whole depth chart of the true freshman on this team that could play and contribute this year I'd just put this forth. I think these are guys that are listed online as true freshman that I think may contribute or could contribute this year:

1. Ellis Henderson - listed as a true frosh? I thought he was RS Frosh. Regardless he'll play for sure will share time as a split-out WR. Good speed, improving hands, seems to have the athleticism of CJ Atkins if I were to compare it to a recent WR on the team.

2. Tyrone Holmes - will play and could be a force this year in the pass-rush game. Run support is improving but will probably come in and backup Wags more often than not. Also on 3rd and long downs putting both Wags and Holmes out there to rush at the same time will get results.

3. Caleb Kidder - provides much needed depth essentially at all 4 positions on the DL. Can play all 4 spots, also can contribute on special teams if called upon. Versatile guy with good upper body strength and good speed for being a DT.

4. Joey Counts - Mini Moore indeed, good on ST already, budding power-runner. Can block well, run fast, and plays with great intensity. Counts might get a red-shirt as we've got Hagfors as well that can take his role.

5. Hayden Craig - Has the size and speed already, I expect will play this year with uncertainty behind Hardy at TE. I think already does edge-blocking on punt and kick teams too.

6. Brian Maus - Also listed as a frosh, ST contributor already, backup outside linebacker. I'm glad he's back, this guy is a diamond in the rough, I think in a few years he could quietly work into a starting role.

7. Chase Naccarato - PR/KR skill, playing well as a backup slot WR. Fast, good hands, real shifty. If Nguyen has issues in PR/KR duty Chase will probably become the guy.

8. Taylor Walcott - Was dinged up a bit but an excellent athlete and will turn into a Griz great WR. I think if Naccarato doesn't RS then Walcott will. Depending on split-out WR health he could get thrust in. He's got the talent to contribute as an X or Z wide receiver right now, probably not start, blocking is an issue, but route running and hands are good.

9. Clint LaRowe - Most consistent of all freshman OL recruits, played 2nd string tackle all fall. Burned a lot early but did a decent job slowing down Kidder when he was matched up on him. Progressed well through camp. My guess is they'll try like hell to red-shirt him but he may need to come in if our OT situation gets dire (Schmaing will backup both tackles, I'd suspect Poehls would also move out and they'd bring Kalekini or Hines in, if none of those worked then LaRowe might get a look).

10. JR Nelson - Prob had a better fall than some of the guys ahead of him but depth at CB is strong right now. Quick and smart in the field, made some plays that made me think at times I was watching Nate Harris. Considering that the 2-deep is Murray, Harris, Goodwin, and Dennard and then there's Whitted and Miles as well Nelson will probably be red-shirted but if called upon he could hold his own.

11. Harrison Greenberg - If Lider falls apart in game time situations Greenberg could get called upon. The kicker position is maybe the bigger unknown. Coach Hynson had good things to say about Harrison and him learning the system and progressing.

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I'm not saying all of these guys should play, but I could certainly see these true freshman getting "the call" if needed.

 

[GrizDDS]

No, you don't play the best players, if burning a red-shirt year on an under-developed freshman, who might be 10% better than the alternative, for 10 plays a game, means losing a great senior season from a physically-mature dominant player. Just because you say he should play, Brint, does not mean that he should play. Too many of these coaches have a win-now attitude, instead of building a solid on-going program. The UM football program would be much better off if almost every freshman were red-shirted. The list of wasted years on frosh is long, and includes JJ, Heidleberger, Segars, Varona, and many more. Because UM has solid recruiting every year, we should not have to play frosh. We just re-load anyway, right Brint?

You to play to win. Seems to me you need your best players on the field to do so. No guarantees what happens down the road, so you play for now not next year or the year after that.

Yep. Pretty simple concept. Especially when there is about a 5% chance that the current head coach will be coaching 4 years from now.

Read and Hauck were here many years. I could give a sh*t about a head coach who takes the job as a launching pad for his career. He is sacrificing the vitality of the Griz program for his selfish quest to win at all costs. There has never been a freshman starter for UM who has made the difference in winning or losing.

You pin heads who refuse to understand that the Griz program is strong enough with great recruiting every year so that they should not have to play true freshmen do not see the big picture. Even Tru Johnson was wasted his freshman year. And, no, he would have left early for the NFL. He would have been the best defensive player in the nation as a senior playing this year.

I see the big picture. I'm "pro-redshirt." But I also know that there's about a 100% chance I will be a Griz fan in 4 years, and factoring in pre-season optimism, every new recruit could be an all-american as a 5th year senior. But if you think coaches think that way you are kidding yourself. The best coaches don't look 2 weeks ahead, let alone 4 years ahead. There's no guarantee the coach or player will even still be here. When depth is an issue, as it clearly is this year, you don't make it worse by putting your best players in the student section.

 

[grizindabox]

growler, ewe r stoopid!









Actually you are just an ass with your "My way or the highway" mentality. If everyone had the same opinion as you all the time, this world would be a bad place.

 

[mtgriz]

I'm going to weigh in on this whole "redshirt all the freshman" issue. Play your best players, week in and week out. A deep playoff run vs. an 8-3 or 7-4 season can truly boil down to 10 plays a season. Ask EWU circa 2010.

Chances are pretty dang good that in that fifth year when you're lamenting the lost redshirt year, someone else is there to pick up the flag anyway. That's what has kept the Griz at the top for 25 years.

 

[Growler1]

growler, ewe r stoopid!









Actually you are just an ass with your "My way or the highway" mentality. If everyone had the same opinion as you all the time, this world would be a bad place.

We are all still waiting with bated breath from you to add anything of substance to this board, besides your incessant whining about me. Obsessed much?

 

[Growler1]

You to play to win. Seems to me you need your best players on the field to do so. No guarantees what happens down the road, so you play for now not next year or the year after that.

Yep. Pretty simple concept. Especially when there is about a 5% chance that the current head coach will be coaching 4 years from now.

Read and Hauck were here many years. I could give a sh*t about a head coach who takes the job as a launching pad for his career. He is sacrificing the vitality of the Griz program for his selfish quest to win at all costs. There has never been a freshman starter for UM who has made the difference in winning or losing.

You pin heads who refuse to understand that the Griz program is strong enough with great recruiting every year so that they should not have to play true freshmen do not see the big picture. Even Tru Johnson was wasted his freshman year. And, no, he would have left early for the NFL. He would have been the best defensive player in the nation as a senior playing this year.

I see the big picture. I'm "pro-redshirt." But I also know that there's about a 100% chance I will be a Griz fan in 4 years, and factoring in pre-season optimism, every new recruit could be an all-american as a 5th year senior. But if you think coaches think that way you are kidding yourself. The best coaches don't look 2 weeks ahead, let alone 4 years ahead. There's no guarantee the coach or player will even still be here. When depth is an issue, as it clearly is this year, you don't make it worse by putting your best players in the student section.

Lame. who cares about the coaches, and their career goals? I am talking what is best for the program, NOT what is best for short-sighted coaches. Once again, no freshman is going to be a game-changer. Donny L. could have made the same interception versus Poly that Tru did, the throw was right to him! I think I could have caught it!

 

[i do love the griz]

I can't wait to see what McKinney can do!

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Henderson was a "Grey-Shirt" at U of Hawaii last season. He has not taken a "Red-Shirt" season. Thus the reason he is listed as a freshman and not a redshirt-freshman.

Three freshman wide recievers will play this fall (Henderson, Naccarato, and Walcott). The Griz need to stretch the field, and these three accomplished track sprinters will do that. They will provide big plays, which will back off the safeties out of the box--which of course opens up the running game, The Griz offense will need to take the lid off of the opposing defense, which obviously requires speed on the perimeter. Henderson will probably start.

***Edited because it's hard as he ll to type this on a Barnes & Noble NOOK.

 

[infiltrator]

This depth chart is wrong...Josh Stuburg is starting over Coyle. Went to practice today as well as talked to others..Josh has been taking all the one reps.