No Way JJ Can Be Convicted

[UMGriz75]

tnt: its well know that part of the process is doubt self blame, its not HIS fault, its MINE. Its easily addressed in most trials.

Well known. By who?

Jane Doe: "It will hit him like a ton of bricks which I'm okay with, so wanna get lunch Thursday?"

"I don't think he did anything wrong to be honest ...

... "I'm not super sensitive about the subject too much anymore so Its all good.

"Wanna get some lunch" and "it's all good," does not suggest trauma, doubt, angst, amnesia, PTSD, shell shock, or multiple personality disorder.

It is amazing to me how many excuses are made for people who don't tell the truth.

Do a little reading about rape trauma syndrome..........

Of course if it is all an evil plot her nearly text book responses (and texts) could all be clevelry crafted.

"Wanna get some lunch?" is a phrase for which the manifest diagnostic power has consumed generations of psychologists, offering in its transparent depth the chilling portrait of numbing depression, trauma, and soul-crushing stress.

Now, on the other hand, not being able to tell a consistent story is a text book example of certain kinds of charges and the people making them.

 

[tnt]

8 weeks after the event I'm not sure what wanna get some lunch means? Maybe she was Hungry??? Think she might have been able to eat after a couple months???

 

[tampa_griz]

"Wanna get some lunch?" is a phrase for which the manifest diagnostic power has consumed generations of psychologists, offering in its transparent depth the chilling portrait of numbing depression, trauma, and soul-crushing stress.

Now, on the other hand, not being able to tell a consistent story is a text book example of certain kinds of charges and the people making them.

It makes you wonder if there is an action/statement/behavior that doesn't fall under "normal actions of a traumatized rape victim".

 

[grizindabox]

8 weeks after the event I'm not sure what wanna get some lunch means? Maybe she was Hungry??? Think she might have been able to eat after a couple months???

"wanna get some lunch" code for sex?

tnt, I think the point is that when someone is talking about rape, it seems rather odd, and a little casual to add the lunch comment in the same text message. And why add the smiley?

 

[ranco]

According to a few posters (I can't say their name, but I will give you their initials: TNT & Argh!(who is not angry btw)), there is not.

 

[tnt]

I have often wondered about why and how folks use some emoticons. But it doesn't take a lot of reading to know that that exact behavior after sometime is not quite so odd. The point is here ANYONE who thinks there is a slam dunk, will be surprised. I wouldn't suggest trying to call out either party. No matter how this comes out JJ's rather cavalier attitude about adding notches to his belt whether it rises to the level of a crime or not will have dramatically altered his life. If we have leadership who thinks that respresents high character, we had a problem. No wonder a change in leadership. There are a fair number of middle age has been, never was'es wish they coulda beens" who figure its okay. They will never see the problems its caused.

It may old fashioned but it would SEEM that somehwere along the line someone would have told these kids that it was a real good idea to keep their pants on while watching a movie and for someone to have told JJ, his chance of being the college football star were pretty much dependent on his keeping his on. Frankly IF that message were transmitted there wouldn't have been group blow jobs, or a "rape problem" and believe it or not that is NOT normal college behavior for most.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It may old fashioned but it would SEEM that somehwere along the line someone would have told these kids that it was a real good idea to keep their pants on while watching a movie and for someone to have told JJ, his chance of being the college football star were pretty much dependent on his keeping his on. Frankly IF that message were transmitted there wouldn't have been group blow jobs, or a "rape problem" and believe it or not that is NOT normal college behavior for most.

Really? Did you go to college? Because I spent ONE year at U of M and it was pretty close to that. Hell, I even knew guys that were sleeping with our professors. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

It may old fashioned but it would SEEM that somehwere along the line someone would have told these kids that it was a real good idea to keep their pants on while watching a movie and for someone to have told JJ, his chance of being the college football star were pretty much dependent on his keeping his on. Frankly IF that message were transmitted there wouldn't have been group blow jobs, or a "rape problem" and believe it or not that is NOT normal college behavior for most.

Really? Did you go to college? Because I spent ONE year at U of M and it was pretty close to that. Hell, I even knew guys that were sleeping with our professors. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[grizindabox]

tnt, I am starting to believe you are old fashioned and starting to realize I am getting dumber every time I read and reply to one of your posts....#moredumb :roll:

 

[Grizzoola]

After all the discussions on this board, I suggest we all consider where we would be if we were jurors. At least, that's how I'm looking at things, now. Someone already mentioned the composition of the jury, and how important that is. There are people in this community ready to convict JJ by focusing on the mere act of his having sex with her, giving her the benefit of the doubt. Others are ready to exonerate JJ, giving him the benefit of the doubt, as evidenced on this board. Jury selection is going to be very important, and I would not be surprised if that is a long process.

Several on this board and in the community could go either way & I'm one of them. Right now, I see the motion for dismissal with the added details as unfavorable to Ms. Doe, as to her claiming the sex was not consensual. Yet, it's one thing to see all this in the press, media, and on boards like this and far another as to what is presented in court. I do not know which side will "win" this case. As far as I'm concerned, these kinds of discussions before any trial allow many to vent their beliefs/prejudices, etc., but it will be the result of the trial, itself, that is worth my attention.

 

[grizindabox]

Grizzoola, right now, with what is know, I fail to see how anyone could not have reasonable doubt #moredumb

 

[Grizzoola]

Grizzoola, right now, with what is know, I fail to see how anyone could not have reasonable doubt #moredumb

You would be excused from jury duty.

 

[UMGriz75]

8 weeks after the event I'm not sure what wanna get some lunch means? Maybe she was Hungry??? Think she might have been able to eat after a couple months???

Well, before she gave him a ride home, she did so "after fixing herself a snack In her kItchen and eating it." Perhaps it was just normal routine trauma-induced munchies. The next day she managed a trauma-induced Super Bowl Party with her friends.

I understand the theory. All evidence of frustration means she was raped. All unusual behaviors means she was raped. All perfectly normal behaviors means she was raped. Leading a perfectly normal life means she was raped. Seeking revenge for a jilted one-sided love affair means she was raped. If she was hungry, it means she was raped. If she wasn't hungry, it means she was raped. Saying she thought JJ really didn't do anything wrong means she was raped.

I understand the theory.

 

[grizindabox]

8 weeks after the event I'm not sure what wanna get some lunch means? Maybe she was Hungry??? Think she might have been able to eat after a couple months???

Well, before she gave him a ride home, she did so "after fixing herself a snack In her kItchen and eating it." Perhaps it was just normal routine trauma-induced munchies. The next day she managed a trauma-induced Super Bowl Party with her friends.

I understand the theory. All evidence of frustration means she was raped. All unusual behaviors means she was raped. All perfectly normal behaviors means she was raped. Leading a perfectly normal life means she was raped. Seeking revenge for a jilted one-sided love affair means she was raped. If she was hungry, it means she was raped. If she wasn't hungry, it means she was raped. Saying she thought JJ really didn't do anything wrong means she was raped.

I understand the theory.

Sounds like she eats alot!

 

[BDizzle]

You know what makes me hungry? Consensual sex.

You know what a woman does after consensual sex? Goes into the kitchen and makes the man a sandwich.

 

[grizindabox]

You know what makes me hungry? Consensual sex.

You know what a woman does after consensual sex? Goes into the kitchen and makes the man a sandwich.

I don't think she offered to make JJ a sandwich.

 

[BDizzle]

You know what makes me hungry? Consensual sex.

You know what a woman does after consensual sex? Goes into the kitchen and makes the man a sandwich.

I don't think she offered to make JJ a sandwich.

Rude. Makes herself one and not him. No wonder he didn't want to talk to her anymore.

 

[snap]

You know what makes me hungry? Consensual sex.

You know what a woman does after consensual sex? Goes into the kitchen and makes the man a sandwich.

I don't think she offered to make JJ a sandwich.

Rude. Makes herself one and not him. No wonder he didn't want to talk to her anymore.

:lol: Fact.

 

[UMGriz75]

8 weeks after the event I'm not sure what wanna get some lunch means? Maybe she was Hungry??? Think she might have been able to eat after a couple months???

The incident was February 4. The text messages were February 7:

"It will hit him like a ton of bricks which I'm okay with, so wanna gel lunch Thursday?"

"I don't think he did anything wrong to be honest ... he didn't show any remorse or anything so idk :/" [ed. idk, "I don't know."]

... "I'm not super sensitive about the Subject too much anymore so Its all good...and I don't think he thinks he did anything wrong."

Here's the key witness testimony from the only two people there: "I don't think he did anything wrong," and "he doesn't think he did anything wrong."

But, In her letter to JJ of March 6, "she continually refers to her feelings being hurt."

Those are the pivot points of this case.

 

[tnt]

It may old fashioned but it would SEEM that somehwere along the line someone would have told these kids that it was a real good idea to keep their pants on while watching a movie and for someone to have told JJ, his chance of being the college football star were pretty much dependent on his keeping his on. Frankly IF that message were transmitted there wouldn't have been group blow jobs, or a "rape problem" and believe it or not that is NOT normal college behavior for most.

Really? Did you go to college? Because I spent ONE year at U of M and it was pretty close to that. Hell, I even knew guys that were sleeping with our professors. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually I did go to college(several of them) as did nine of my kids and wife only two of us went to U of M. They ran in different crowds than you apparently, but then that might be why they all have grad degrees from notable schools, and are much to my dismay lawyers, Judges, psychologists and worst of all professional athletes. There are two pastors as well. Of course they could be lying in which case they had enough intelligence to only be doing one at a time and inside of a relationship. They are older though ranging from 23 - 47 so that could be a difference.