No, Don't leave Gwen....

[yellowstone60]

We like to PARTY !

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[grizbrokebacker1]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth. If you want a full reenactment, then rely upon some other form of media. The Missoulian wasn't the only media outlet covering the trial.

They sure weren't and you're totally right, reliance on twitter as a sole source isn't good practice. However A LOT of people used twitter for immediate information - that's what the site has become. No longer do we even want to wait until an article a few hours later. There is importance in what is being shared on twitter especially in the position the Missoulian was/is in. I recall some stat on tweets and reach on the trial, the 1st was the NYT because of the now infamous "thugs" article and it's reach, but 2nd behind that was the Missoulian and then the other media outlets lagged behind that. Yes there's other options, but the Missoulian locally/regionally and for the ongoing discussion was the primary.

Again... anyone who relies on Twitter to get an accurate account of news, a trial, or any other factual account needs to rethink their priorities. Twitter is nothing more than an entertainment vessel whose accuracy can be directly correlated to the integrity of the author and the limitation of characters.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth.

No one was arguing that. 75 was pointing out how biased some of Florio's tweets and omissions in tweets were. Because others were also tweeting, there were good comparisons to show how biased or incomplete some of her tweets were. She sometimes inserted editorial comments into her tweets too, without making it clear that they were her comments.

Do you get all your information from Twitter and Wikipedia?

 

[GrizLA]

Sadly, history is full of the Messenger" is the bad guy....The press is dying in this country, slowly but surely. What this woman wrote or not is subject to scrutiny. But to take some form of glee in her leaving is simply childish. UM had smoke coming from its athletic dept...be thankful it was not a fire. More and more universities, greater than Montana are now being scrutinized and, in many ways, it might be the Florio's of this country that make it better in the long run. Guess it depends upon how strongly you believe in media.
Attacking the messenger is rarely the solution.

 

[UMGriz75]

The "Tweets," as a form of play-by-play, taken together were considerably longer than the newspaper articles regarding the same testimony written by the same reporters, and offering both the immediacy of the commentary, and avoiding the cutting floor of column inch limitations.

Taken together, the trial Tweets offered far more detail about the ongoing testimony, with one notable exception by one particular reporter who managed with each Tweet to reduce the amount of knowledge about the trial testimony to her readers, by so much that anyone who knew anything at all about the matter at the beginning of the trial had almost nothing left by the end of it.

Tweets are a kind of modern telegraph; the requirement to be succinct overcoming the desire to be either eloquent or merely loquacious.

Compelled brevity didn't make the telegraph any more or less accurate than lengthier forms of communication, and in particular if the sender wanted to deceive in the first place.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

This is from Wikipedia regarding Twitter (pay attention PlayerRep!)

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San Antonio-based market-research firm Pear Analytics analyzed 2,000 tweets (originating from the US and in English) over a two-week period in August 2009 from 11:00 am to 5:00 pm (CST) and separated them into six categories:[77]

Pointless babble – 40%
Conversational – 38%
Pass-along value – 9%
Self-promotion – 6%
Spam – 4%
News – 4%

I'd say Gwen is a combination of pointless babble and self promotion so she clearly falls within the 46% of tweets that fit these categories. If you want to get your 4% of news from Twitter, then have at it!

 

[grizpsych]

Seriously? Why do you all persist in letting her get under your skin.

Wait until her book comes out. I'm sure eGriz will get plenty of coverage.

 

[grizindabox]

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth.

No one was arguing that. 75 was pointing out how biased some of Florio's tweets and omissions in tweets were. Because others were also tweeting, there were good comparisons to show how biased or incomplete some of her tweets were. She sometimes inserted editorial comments into her tweets too, without making it clear that they were her comments.

Do you get all your information from Twitter and Wikipedia?

Urban Dictionary is the go to resource for everything...

 

[grizindabox]

This is from Wikipedia regarding Twitter (pay attention PlayerRep!)

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San Antonio-based market-research firm Pear Analytics analyzed 2,000 tweets (originating from the US and in English) over a two-week period in August 2009 from 11:00 am to 5:00 pm (CST) and separated them into six categories:[77]

Pointless babble – 40%
Conversational – 38%
Pass-along value – 9%
Self-promotion – 6%
Spam – 4%
News – 4%

I'd say Gwen is a combination of pointless babble and self promotion so she clearly falls within the 46% of tweets that fit these categories. If you want to get your 4% of news from Twitter, then have at it!

Think those numbers are ancient...The world of twitter has changed a ton since 2009 and has actually become more of a source of breaking news. Government, State, and Local offices and departments use twitter as a common avenue to get news and information to people.

 

[MrTitleist]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

If you're not getting your news from Twitter you're living under a rock. Seriously. I would say 90% of the news I get is from Twitter. If you think it's nothing but mindless babble, then you're following the wrong people on twitter. If you want actual news, seek out the people delivering it. Most of the time I see headlines fly across Twitter 20 mins before they hit news websites. Twitter gets a "mindless drivel" reputation from those uneducated and ignorant about it. The college football news I read on there is unparalleled.

 

[GRZFTBL]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

If you're not getting your news from Twitter you're living under a rock. Seriously. I would say 90% of the news I get is from Twitter. If you think it's nothing but mindless babble, then you're following the wrong people on twitter. If you want actual news, seek out the people delivering it. Most of the time I see headlines fly across Twitter 20 mins before they hit news websites. Twitter gets a "mindless drivel" reputation from those uneducated and ignorant about it. The college football news I read on there is unparalleled.

Exactly. Plus you can follow some hotties who will show their boobies. :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

If you're not getting your news from Twitter you're living under a rock. Seriously. I would say 90% of the news I get is from Twitter. If you think it's nothing but mindless babble, then you're following the wrong people on twitter. If you want actual news, seek out the people delivering it. Most of the time I see headlines fly across Twitter 20 mins before they hit news websites. Twitter gets a "mindless drivel" reputation from those uneducated and ignorant about it. The college football news I read on there is unparalleled.

Exactly. Plus you can follow some hotties who will show their boobies. :thumb:

You think Amanda Bynes is a hottie? :shocker:

 

[PlayerRep]

The "Tweets," as a form of play-by-play, taken together were considerably longer than the newspaper articles regarding the same testimony written by the same reporters, and offering both the immediacy of the commentary, and avoiding the cutting floor of column inch limitations.

Taken together, the trial Tweets offered far more detail about the ongoing testimony, with one notable exception by one particular reporter who managed with each Tweet to reduce the amount of knowledge about the trial testimony to her readers, by so much that anyone who knew anything at all about the matter at the beginning of the trial had almost nothing left by the end of it.

Tweets are a kind of modern telegraph; the requirement to be succinct overcoming the desire to be either eloquent or merely loquacious.

Compelled brevity didn't make the telegraph any more or less accurate than lengthier forms of communication, and in particular if the sender wanted to deceive in the first place.

Looking at her tweets and stories, and taking out only a few key lines, one would be left with the impression that JJ lost his trial.

 

[spsyk]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

If you're not getting your news from Twitter you're living under a rock. Seriously. I would say 90% of the news I get is from Twitter. If you think it's nothing but mindless babble, then you're following the wrong people on twitter. If you want actual news, seek out the people delivering it. Most of the time I see headlines fly across Twitter 20 mins before they hit news websites. Twitter gets a "mindless drivel" reputation from those uneducated and ignorant about it. The college football news I read on there is unparalleled.

If it's on the internet it has to be true, and a great news source, "The Daily Show" Jon Stewart from the Comedy Channel, president Obama co-anchors often, and more than likely watches nightly.

 

[fanofzoo]

She might be gone but her name ( and reputation ) will live on for eternity.

And her name/reputation will live on infamy.

You live in infamy not on it as you can live for eternity.

 

[fanofzoo]

Sadly, history is full of the Messenger" is the bad guy....The press is dying in this country, slowly but surely. What this woman wrote or not is subject to scrutiny. But to take some form of glee in her leaving is simply childish. UM had smoke coming from its athletic dept...be thankful it was not a fire. More and more universities, greater than Montana are now being scrutinized and, in many ways, it might be the Florio's of this country that make it better in the long run. Guess it depends upon how strongly you believe in media.
Attacking the messenger is rarely the solution.

I like attacking the messenger because it's the florios (small f)of the country that are killing it.

 

[Gaeilge1]

Gwen Florio and the Missoulian are both classic cases of the concept of a self fulfilling prophecy, which stated simply is:

I am not who I think I am; I am not who you think I am; I am what I think you think I am.

Both Gwen and the Editors in charge of her submitted articles lost their objectivity early on in coverage if the sex abuse scandal at the University. Once they went down that road it was virtually impossible for them to become objective because it would contradict what they had previously published. I wonder what is the bigger sin for a newspaper, continue to publish biased articles on an ongoing story in the hopes that you will ultimately be proven correct but in the process cost your employer both money and credibility, or, switch gears during the ongoing reporting and become objective in future reporting thereby inviting potential lawsuits for slander due to the original bias?

I don't know the answer, but I do know that until the Editors responsible for overseeing what is reported follow Gwen out the door I won't be renewing my subscription.

Having said that I do wish Ms. Florio well in her new pursuit. She has already demonstrated an acute talent for writing fiction.

 

[TxGriz]

Word has it that her and her girl friends are building a house of all tongue and groove construction.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

If you're not getting your news from Twitter you're living under a rock. Seriously. I would say 90% of the news I get is from Twitter. If you think it's nothing but mindless babble, then you're following the wrong people on twitter. If you want actual news, seek out the people delivering it. Most of the time I see headlines fly across Twitter 20 mins before they hit news websites. Twitter gets a "mindless drivel" reputation from those uneducated and ignorant about it. The college football news I read on there is unparalleled.

You get your headlines from Twitter? Nice. Where do you get the rest of the story?

 

[BWahlberg]

This is from Wikipedia regarding Twitter (pay attention PlayerRep!)

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San Antonio-based market-research firm Pear Analytics analyzed 2,000 tweets (originating from the US and in English) over a two-week period in August 2009 from 11:00 am to 5:00 pm (CST) and separated them into six categories:[77]

Pointless babble – 40%
Conversational – 38%
Pass-along value – 9%
Self-promotion – 6%
Spam – 4%
News – 4%

I'd say Gwen is a combination of pointless babble and self promotion so she clearly falls within the 46% of tweets that fit these categories. If you want to get your 4% of news from Twitter, then have at it!

OK well first off that's a 4 year old study on a social media platform that was still mostly un-evolved. In 2009 Twitter was just emerging as something that people were trying to figure out still. Now while a lot of it is still conversations and pointless babble it's also become the most rapid way to send out news to the world.

I think about recent major news events. Bin Laden's death, The Newtown Shooting, Ohio going to Obama in 2012, (locally) Jordan Johnson's Trial and the recent school board hearings - all came from Twitter first. And not from some random account but in the case of the national news from major media outlets. During the Boston bombing and the hunt for the terrorists updated flowed in MUCH more rapidly on twitter than on TV or any of the press websites.

Mr. Titleist is dead on in his post

If you're not getting your news from Twitter you're living under a rock. Seriously. I would say 90% of the news I get is from Twitter. If you think it's nothing but mindless babble, then you're following the wrong people on twitter. If you want actual news, seek out the people delivering it. Most of the time I see headlines fly across Twitter 20 mins before they hit news websites. Twitter gets a "mindless drivel" reputation from those uneducated and ignorant about it. The college football news I read on there is unparalleled.

The first place to hear national news (for now) is going to be twitter.

Where do you guys (usually) get your practice updates from (when I can attend?) Would you rather get it live from twitter, a few hours later in an egriz post, 5 hours later in the 10:00 news cast, or 12 hours later in the paper?

Bringing it all back around the media's use of twitter is important. The issue I took was the bias Florio used when using the @Missoulian account. The new age of information transfer is instant and the Missoulian should have done better with it's main source account in that situation.