No, Don't leave Gwen....

[PlayerRep]

Many of the stories would not have even been written, ie JJ stories, had she not been around to write them. Multiple stories would not have been on the front page.

It is not the fault of the person who gets charged with a minor offense or even something he didn't do, like a dui, that the story is on the front page. It is the fault and bias of the reporter for making it a bigger story than it is, for the paper putting a racy headline on it and putting it further to the front from where it should be, and for the police/prosecutors pursuing and charging something that is smaller than what it gets charged with.

With Florio gone, there will be less front page stories discussing that a non-starter in basketball has plead not-guilty to a charge of disorderly conduct.

BS. Even though Gwen wrote and regurgitated her stories, it's not her writing or reporting that caused these stories to end up on the front page. Gwen does not choose where her stories end up, that's the choice of the editor, and it's primarily a business decision. Sensationalism sells and if future, former, or current Griz players can't stay out of trouble, there's always going to be a spot reserved on the front page.

p.s. I hear there's a character in Gwen's new novel known as Jacque Sniffeur. A self-absorbed French attorney by day, Jacque is ostracized by his colleagues and peers as he travels down a path of denial and disillusionment. In a futile effort to maintain his dignity, Jacque resorts to name calling and middle school antics. Jacque's life comes crumbling down around him as his secret tryst with a member of the local croquet club becomes the subject of a new nonfiction thriller for which the author wins a Pulitzer.

You don't have a clue about how the Missoulian is run, and who makes decisions. "Decisions" on whether even do a story are often made by reporters. Headlines and story placement often come from at least glancing at what is written in a story.

 

[spsyk]

Who is Gwen Florio,? more important who cares, other than perhaps her parents, I would hope so, as far as the Missoulian, no self respecting fish would be wrap in it, and no bird would tolerate having in the bottom of it's cage.

That paper is not a news source, it is indoctrination, and propaganda, and opinion with agenda, the way that many newspapers have gone.

To bad that people that want to be informed, can't secure a newspaper that offer the news and just the news without reflecting the papers slanted opinion.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I just want a newspaper that reflects my slanted opinions!

 

[grizindabox]

I just want a newspaper that reflects my slanted opinions!

Funny, PR does not even need a newspaper to reflect his slanted opinions...he does just fine on his own.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Of course, no arrests/accusations would stop the stories, because there would be nothing to have a story on.

Ding...Ding...Ding! We have a winner! Don Pardo, tell him what he's won.

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

Sung to the tune of Simon and Garfunkel's, Mrs. Robinson...

And here’s to you, Gwen Florio,
Griz Nation hates you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
You are a sleaze, Mrs. Florio
It’s time for you to leave, don’t delay
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

We’d like to know a little bit about your anti-Griz agenda
We hope you can look at yourself in the mirror
Look around you, all you see are football raping thugs
Troll around the lies that you’ve created

And here’s to you, Gwen Florio
Satan loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
You are a sleaze, Mrs. Florio
Time for you to leave, don’t delay
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

Slandering young men is a place you like to go
Put it in your articles with some cut and paste
It’s a little secret, called the Florio flair
Most of all, you loved to stick it to the Griz

Pooh pooh to you, Gwen Florio
Griz Nation hates you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
You are a sleaze, Mrs. Florio
Time for you to leave, don’t delay
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

Sitting in a courtroom on a Thursday afternoon
Going to hear Judge Townsend ramble on
Tweet about it, twist the facts
When you’ve got to choose
Ev’ry way you look at it, you lose.

Where have you gone Coach Pflugrad
Griz Nation turns it saddened eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)
What’s that you spew Gwen Florio
Wildcat Pflu has left with Jim O’Day
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

 

[UMGriz75]

Of course, no arrests/accusations would stop the stories, because there would be nothing to have a story on. But, in my view, the next biggest factor is/was Florio. She almost single handledly pushed the sexual assault stuff. Without Florio, JJ would not have had front page stories dozens and dozens of times. Her stories are written with more old news and bias, than those of any other reporter. Go talk to some of the other former or current reporters and people at the Missoulian. Many don't like Florio. At least some will back up what I'm saying.

It's not necessarily a question of covering something; it's where the story is placed in the paper, the headline used, and what is put in and left out of the story. On the other hand, there are some little things, like minor procedural "developments" for minor things (like disorderly conduct), shouldn't be covered at all. Florio more than others used these minor developments to write the same stories over and over again.

It really was something. I've never before seen a daily newspaper that pretended to be objective take such a strongly biased position, and doing so by reprinting the same shaky allegations over and over again.

And the bias was palpable in the many Freudian slips ... and you can imagine the corrections they were continually making ..."Jordan Johnson pleaded guilty today to charges of ... OOOPS, we mean, Beau Donaldson .... oh, and follow the coverage on Twitter at #UMRape .... OOOPS, we mean, "UMTrial" ... and gee here's our story today about egriz and it's "testosterone soaked" culture, with all of the expert opinions by somebody who probably never read it at the YWCA but who is a friend of mine who will give the quotes that I need for this story and who is also going to give me an award for outstanding advocacy writing in news stories."

The Twitter feeds were just special. Bink's testimony: "she is so special and she would never lie to me about anything, and no she didn't tell me she was breaking her date with me that night because she had Jordan Johnson coming over and she was going to invite him into her bedroom and close the door and watch her favorite movie about a high school girl that lies about having sex. She told me she had to study. Something. Something big. It was very important she said, and I believed every word she said, and she didn't even have the courtesy to let me know afterwards that she dumped me as fast as a bag of rotten potatoes when she got the chance to watch that movie in her bedroom with Jordan Johnson. And in fact, NOBODY told me and I didn't even realize it, until Mr. Paoli asked me, that she dumped me on the same evening that she had Jordan Johnson over to her house and had lied to me about it."

Missoulian Twitter feed: "Bink said she was his best friend and he cried on the stand because of all she was going through."

I mean, wow, talk about leaving out pertinent "details" of cross-examination.

And that happened over and over again during the trial. A reader of the Missoulian Tweets would have had no idea that every single State witness was practically speaking demolished during their testimony because Florio invariably left out any key testimony or questioning that reflected badly on the prosecution case. It was overt.

And that is the failure of the Missoulian as a journalistic enterprise. If an honest reader had relied solely on the Missoulian and on Florio/Devlin, they could not have understood the outcome of the trial; the not-guilty verdict.

The newspaper not only failed in its ultimate mission, to inform, it became something else, something shameful in Journalism, a public relations machine for a politicized point of view; adopting a policy to specifically misinform, now intent on misleading and damaging people, processes, and polarizing a small society in the name of that personal agenda.

And make no mistake; Florio and Devlin thought this could be prize winning stuff; expose' material; the unmasking of a shameful subculture of athletes and sexual misconduct. If it required the destruction of ordinary standards of honesty, if it required destroying a young man's life to get their Pulitzer, they were fully prepared to do it. Indeed, they consciously chose to be part of it; part of the "information stream" that biased the jury pool, that drove public opinion, that outraged innocent readers who did not understand their motive of personal greed for awards and recognition, and if it involved twisting "the news" into a libel machine constantly repeating every allegation as though true, and constantly failing to print contrary and inconvenient facts, they were fully willing to do that.

They were an old fashioned Southern lynch mob, caring little for process or justice, brandishing pens instead of ropes.

 

[firstdown-montana...]

Adios BE ATCH !!! :beer:

 

[PlayerRep]

Of course, no arrests/accusations would stop the stories, because there would be nothing to have a story on.

Ding...Ding...Ding! We have a winner! Don Pardo, tell him what he's won.

If there were no Missoulian, there would also be no stories from the Missoulian. With no Florio, there will be fewer slanted stories.

It's hard to have discussions on egriz because some people always want to change the subject to made a comment on something else besides the discussion topic. There must be alot of ADD posters out there.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sung to the tune of Simon and Garfunkel's, Mrs. Robinson...

And here’s to you, Gwen Florio,
Griz Nation hates you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
You are a sleaze, Mrs. Florio
It’s time for you to leave, don’t delay
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

We’d like to know a little bit about your anti-Griz agenda
We hope you can look at yourself in the mirror
Look around you, all you see are football raping thugs
Troll around the lies that you’ve created

And here’s to you, Gwen Florio
Satan loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
You are a sleaze, Mrs. Florio
Time for you to leave, don’t delay
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

Slandering young men is a place you like to go
Put it in your articles with some cut and paste
It’s a little secret, called the Florio flair
Most of all, you loved to stick it to the Griz

Pooh pooh to you, Gwen Florio
Griz Nation hates you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
You are a sleaze, Mrs. Florio
Time for you to leave, don’t delay
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

Sitting in a courtroom on a Thursday afternoon
Going to hear Judge Townsend ramble on
Tweet about it, twist the facts
When you’ve got to choose
Ev’ry way you look at it, you lose.

Where have you gone Coach Pflugrad
Griz Nation turns it saddened eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)
What’s that you spew Gwen Florio
Wildcat Pflu has left with Jim O’Day
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

Very good.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

The Twitter feeds were just special. Bink's testimony: "she is so special and she would never lie to me about anything, and no she didn't tell me she was breaking her date with me that night because she had Jordan Johnson coming over and she was going to invite him into her bedroom and close the door and watch her favorite movie about a high school girl that lies about having sex. She told me she had to study. Something. Something big. It was very important she said, and I believed every word she said, and she didn't even have the courtesy to let me know afterwards that she dumped me as fast as a bag of rotten potatoes when she got the chance to watch that movie in her bedroom with Jordan Johnson. And in fact, NOBODY told me and I didn't even realize it, until Mr. Paoli asked me, that she dumped me on the same evening that she had Jordan Johnson over to her house."

Missoulian Twitter feed: "Bink said she was his best friend and he cried on the stand because of all she was going through."

I mean, wow, talk about leaving out pertinent "details" of cross-examination.

And that happened over and over again during the trial. A reader of the Missoulian Tweets would have had no idea that every single State witness was practically speaking demolished during their testimony because Florio invariably left out any key testimony or questioning that reflected badly on the prosecution case. It was overt.

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Of course, no arrests/accusations would stop the stories, because there would be nothing to have a story on.

Ding...Ding...Ding! We have a winner! Don Pardo, tell him what he's won.

If there were no Missoulian, there would also be no stories from the Missoulian. With no Florio, there will be fewer slanted stories.

It's hard to have discussions on egriz because some people always want to change the subject to made a comment on something else besides the discussion topic. There must be alot of ADD posters out there.

Thanks for giving me a quote for my new signature line :thumb:

 

[GrizBacker04]

Perhaps true on the culture, but Florio was the leader of the pack, and various other reporters didn't cover stories that way, including the sports reporters. I don't recall a single "attack" story by a sports reporter.

Of course, no arrests/accusations would stop the stories, because there would be nothing to have a story on. But, in my view, the next biggest factor is/was Florio. She almost single handledly pushed the sexual assault stuff. Without Florio, JJ would not have had front page stories dozens and dozens of times. Her stories are written with more old news and bias, than those of any other reporter. Go talk to some of the other former or current reporters and people at the Missoulian. Many don't like Florio. At least some will back up what I'm saying.

It's not necessarily a question of covering something; it's where the story is placed in the paper, the headline used, and what is put in and left out of the story. On the other hand, there are some little things, like minor procedural "developments" for minor things (like disorderly conduct), shouldn't be covered at all. Florio more than others used these minor developments to write the same stories over and over again.

Reason you never saw a sports reporter cover any of the arrest articles, including the JJ trial, is because that is not their job. Once a player appears in the police blotter, it becomes a cops and courts/news story. You never saw sports telecasters covering that either, it was the news reporters. The sports reporter may/did have follow up stories, such as will JJ come back now that he has been found not guilty. That is the case nearly everywhere.

 

[BWahlberg]

The Twitter feeds were just special. Bink's testimony: "she is so special and she would never lie to me about anything, and no she didn't tell me she was breaking her date with me that night because she had Jordan Johnson coming over and she was going to invite him into her bedroom and close the door and watch her favorite movie about a high school girl that lies about having sex. She told me she had to study. Something. Something big. It was very important she said, and I believed every word she said, and she didn't even have the courtesy to let me know afterwards that she dumped me as fast as a bag of rotten potatoes when she got the chance to watch that movie in her bedroom with Jordan Johnson. And in fact, NOBODY told me and I didn't even realize it, until Mr. Paoli asked me, that she dumped me on the same evening that she had Jordan Johnson over to her house."

Missoulian Twitter feed: "Bink said she was his best friend and he cried on the stand because of all she was going through."

I mean, wow, talk about leaving out pertinent "details" of cross-examination.

And that happened over and over again during the trial. A reader of the Missoulian Tweets would have had no idea that every single State witness was practically speaking demolished during their testimony because Florio invariably left out any key testimony or questioning that reflected badly on the prosecution case. It was overt.

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

 

[PlayerRep]

Perhaps true on the culture, but Florio was the leader of the pack, and various other reporters didn't cover stories that way, including the sports reporters. I don't recall a single "attack" story by a sports reporter.

Of course, no arrests/accusations would stop the stories, because there would be nothing to have a story on. But, in my view, the next biggest factor is/was Florio. She almost single handledly pushed the sexual assault stuff. Without Florio, JJ would not have had front page stories dozens and dozens of times. Her stories are written with more old news and bias, than those of any other reporter. Go talk to some of the other former or current reporters and people at the Missoulian. Many don't like Florio. At least some will back up what I'm saying.

It's not necessarily a question of covering something; it's where the story is placed in the paper, the headline used, and what is put in and left out of the story. On the other hand, there are some little things, like minor procedural "developments" for minor things (like disorderly conduct), shouldn't be covered at all. Florio more than others used these minor developments to write the same stories over and over again.

Reason you never saw a sports reporter cover any of the arrest articles, including the JJ trial, is because that is not their job. Once a player appears in the police blotter, it becomes a cops and courts/news story. You never saw sports telecasters covering that either, it was the news reporters. The sports reporter may/did have follow up stories, such as will JJ come back now that he has been found not guilty. That is the case nearly everywhere.

Actually, there are often stories on and mentions of UM and athlete legal and other issues in articles written by sports reporters, as well as on the sports pages. One of the Missoulian sports writers tried to write a story to supplement, update and correct some of the information on UM athletes, and was rebuffed on doing the story.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth. If you want a full reenactment, then rely upon some other form of media. The Missoulian wasn't the only media outlet covering the trial.

 

[PlayerRep]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth.

No one was arguing that. 75 was pointing out how biased some of Florio's tweets and omissions in tweets were. Because others were also tweeting, there were good comparisons to show how biased or incomplete some of her tweets were. She sometimes inserted editorial comments into her tweets too, without making it clear that they were her comments.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Gwen Florio is to UM fans as Bill Fette is to NDSU fans. :lol:

 

[BWahlberg]

Anybody that relies on a 140 character tweet for their "news" or "the whole story" really needs to get a life.

However if you went back and especially saw tweets from the Kaimin and Emily Adamson they probably "tweeted" about 1/2 of that text, in about 3 or 4 tweets. They attempted as best they could to report all of what was being said.

I understand that but you missed the point. It's ridiculous to argue about a Twitter feed that doesn't cover the facts word for word. Twitter is like Cliffs Notes... take it for what it's worth. If you want a full reenactment, then rely upon some other form of media. The Missoulian wasn't the only media outlet covering the trial.

They sure weren't and you're totally right, reliance on twitter as a sole source isn't good practice. However A LOT of people used twitter for immediate information - that's what the site has become. No longer do we even want to wait until an article a few hours later. There is importance in what is being shared on twitter especially in the position the Missoulian was/is in. I recall some stat on tweets and reach on the trial, the 1st was the NYT because of the now infamous "thugs" article and it's reach, but 2nd behind that was the Missoulian and then the other media outlets lagged behind that. Yes there's other options, but the Missoulian locally/regionally and for the ongoing discussion was the primary.