New Year Same Results

[GrizBBIsKing]

UM no doubt had the most talent last year and I think this year's UM team also has talent and should be contending for the title and has no reason to finish 3rd.

Why did they sign Tinkle longer?

What happens if he pulls a last year?

Wayne is under contract to the end of the 2011-12 season. So what happens if Wayne pulls a last year? We just move on to the next season and the bitch and moaners will come on and say the same old things. But, the players will be all good students who don't get in trouble with the law, and work with the community. then in 2012, UM will sign Wayne to another 3 year contract and the bitch and moaners will continue their rant until 2015, and another cycle continues on and on. It has been like this since Jud Heathcote. I've heard plenty of bitch and moaners about every coach since Heathcote. Well, heck, I heard someone bitch about Heathcote. People just need something to bitch about.

 

[mtgrizrule]

UM no doubt had the most talent last year and I think this year's UM team also has talent and should be contending for the title and has no reason to finish 3rd.

Why did they sign Tinkle longer?

What happens if he pulls a last year?

Wayne is under contract to the end of the 2011-12 season. So what happens if Wayne pulls a last year? We just move on to the next season and the bitch and moaners will come on and say the same old things. But, the players will be all good students who don't get in trouble with the law, and work with the community. then in 2012, UM will sign Wayne to another 3 year contract and the bitch and moaners will continue their rant until 2015, and another cycle continues on and on. It has been like this since Jud Heathcote. I've heard plenty of bitch and moaners about every coach since Heathcote. Well, heck, I heard someone bitch about Heathcote. People just need something to bitch about.

:clap: Well said (standing ovation!)

 

[robomomo]

UM no doubt had the most talent last year and I think this year's UM team also has talent and should be contending for the title and has no reason to finish 3rd.

Why did they sign Tinkle longer?

What happens if he pulls a last year?

Wayne is under contract to the end of the 2011-12 season. So what happens if Wayne pulls a last year? We just move on to the next season and the bitch and moaners will come on and say the same old things. But, the players will be all good students who don't get in trouble with the law, and work with the community. then in 2012, UM will sign Wayne to another 3 year contract and the bitch and moaners will continue their rant until 2015, and another cycle continues on and on. It has been like this since Jud Heathcote. I've heard plenty of bitch and moaners about every coach since Heathcote. Well, heck, I heard someone bitch about Heathcote. People just need something to bitch about.

:clap: Well said (standing ovation!)

:liar:

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Here's a question.... If the current rate of success continues (to decline?), at what point do you have to pull the plug?

 

[mtgrizrule]

Here's a question.... If the current rate of success continues (to decline?), at what point do you have to pull the plug?

Ironic you ask that. Just last week espn radio in Denver actually discussed this in conjunction to Kansas State letting go their football coach, Ron Prince and Dan Hawkins making progress in CU but not quite the results the fans would like yet. They talked to a few analysts. The analysts all agreed that for midlevel college programs with average success the "fair" amount of time is 5 years to really judge that coach. Meanwhile major programs with good tradition, usually 3 to 4 years because they do not have the luxury that smaller programs do in holding off the dogs.


They also mentioned the main problem is not with staff or school, but fans with no clue what is all involved in building a program. The fans make it more difficult when they are calling for change in 1 to 3 years. In most cases the turnaround happens in year 4 for the programs that stick with a coach.

Sounds very similar to the GRIZ basketball situation.

 

[PlayerRep]

The signing of WT to a new 3-year contract underscores how out of touch with reality a number of you are. I recall people saying who this year would be WT's make or break year. How off base was that comment?

 

[Hammer]

The signing of WT to a new 3-year contract underscores how out of touch with reality a number of you are. I recall people saying who this year would be WT's make or break year. How off base was that comment?

Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me. No wonder you are the laughing stock of eGriz!

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Here's a question.... If the current rate of success continues (to decline?), at what point do you have to pull the plug?

Ironic you ask that. Just last week espn radio in Denver actually discussed this in conjunction to Kansas State letting go their football coach, Ron Prince and Dan Hawkins making progress in CU but not quite the results the fans would like yet. They talked to a few analysts. The analysts all agreed that for midlevel college programs with average success the "fair" amount of time is 5 years to really judge that coach. Meanwhile major programs with good tradition, usually 3 to 4 years because they do not have the luxury that smaller programs do in holding off the dogs.


They also mentioned the main problem is not with staff or school, but fans with no clue what is all involved in building a program. The fans make it more difficult when they are calling for change in 1 to 3 years. In most cases the turnaround happens in year 4 for the programs that stick with a coach.

Sounds very similar to the GRIZ basketball situation.

So, let me ask the question again.... at what year do you pull the plug? The end of this contract? I'm not sold either way on tinkle but I wish they would've let him play out this year. What if we see a 10-win season in year five?

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

I am sorry S-Bear. While I agree with you in principal, I'd appreciate if you would never mention Tinkle and Wooden in the same context again.....

I apologize

 

[robomomo]

I am sorry S-Bear. While I agree with you in principal, I'd appreciate if you would never mention Tinkle and Wooden in the same context again.....

I apologize

apology accepted Sugarbear. We will get through this.

 

[grizzle]

again, this was not a rebuilding job. the program was built, and Tinkle let it crumble.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

I am sorry S-Bear. While I agree with you in principal, I'd appreciate if you would never mention Tinkle and Wooden in the same context again.....

I apologize

apology accepted Sugarbear. We will get through this.

okay, beat the 0-4 now 0-5 Delta Devils I guess life could be worse.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

again, this was not a rebuilding job. the program was built, and Tinkle let it crumble.

I wouldn't say let but, it's not neccessarily moving in the direction that most programs have moved after 2 post NCAA toruney appreances and a 2nd round appreance. You look at Gonzaga back in 95. Got to the Tourney for the first time in school history, lost to a Joe Smth lead Maryland but, played tough. Had some retirement issues with Fitz being the HC/AD but, the torch was passed to Monson in 96. 97 NIT appreance and a loss to Wyoming. 98 well they got hot and the rest is history. My point is in 95 when it came to comparing programs the Griz had a better set-up and advantage but, the Zags made the most of what they had and kept building in the right direction. When Monson, took over for Fitz he didn't try and re-invent the wheel and like wise for when Few took over after Monson left. Now they are a top 15 program with a top 15 program budget and resources. It's amazing what can happen in 10 years if you are smart about your choices.

Larry brought in the Triangle offense and P. Jackson philosphy and strategy and what did WT do with it? Well I remember when he was asked if he was going to build on and keep what Larry had started with the triangle? He stated that he was going to move away from it because, he felt it had become too complacent. Rookie HC mistake don't try and reinvent the wheel right away phase out and in slowly. I thought he learned from this the last 2 years but, when I watch I just don't see the passionate play and hard nose ferocity that I witnessed 3-4 years ago with team chemistry and play. I think if they don't win 20 + this year and are playing in BSC Championship game then he has let it crumble.

The other problem is O'Day and Dennison should have waited on the extention but, those 2 and their leadership/decision qualities is another story. I don't know maybe it was a title nine issue so that's why it happened.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

UM no doubt had the most talent last year and I think this year's UM team also has talent and should be contending for the title and has no reason to finish 3rd.

Why did they sign Tinkle longer?

What happens if he pulls a last year?

Wayne is under contract to the end of the 2011-12 season. So what happens if Wayne pulls a last year? We just move on to the next season and the bitch and moaners will come on and say the same old things. But, the players will be all good students who don't get in trouble with the law, and work with the community. then in 2012, UM will sign Wayne to another 3 year contract and the bitch and moaners will continue their rant until 2015, and another cycle continues on and on. It has been like this since Jud Heathcote. I've heard plenty of bitch and moaners about every coach since Heathcote. Well, heck, I heard someone bitch about Heathcote. People just need something to bitch about.

So we need a guy like Tinkle to have good student athletes? It shouldn't matter who is the HC for these young men to be good SA's and positive role models for the community and state. Tinkle/role models well let's talk about the fact that Tinkle didn't finally finish his Undergrad degree until like what 3 year ago? He returned in 00 and it took him another 5 years while he was on staff to finally finish a degree that he started in like 85. Players know stuff like that and it has an affect on how they view a leader who is holding them accountable for their play and actions. So other than the complaint about the complainers what is your point?

 

[robomomo]

again, this was not a rebuilding job. the program was built, and Tinkle let it crumble.

I wouldn't say let but, it's not neccessarily moving in the direction that most programs have moved after 2 post NCAA toruney appreances and a 2nd round appreance. You look at Gonzaga back in 95. Got to the Tourney for the first time in school history, lost to a Joe Smth lead Maryland but, played tough. Had some retirement issues with Fitz being the HC/AD but, the torch was passed to Monson in 96. 97 NIT appreance and a loss to Wyoming. 98 well they got hot and the rest is history. My point is in 95 when it came to comparing programs the Griz had a better set-up and advantage but, the Zags made the most of what they had and kept building in the right direction. When Monson, took over for Fitz he didn't try and re-invent the wheel and like wise for when Few took over after Monson left. Now they are a top 15 program with a top 15 program budget and resources. It's amazing what can happen in 10 years if you are smart about your choices.

Larry brought in the Triangle offense and P. Jackson philosphy and strategy and what did WT do with it? Well I remember when he was asked if he was going to build on and keep what Larry had started with the triangle? He stated that he was going to move away from it because, he felt it had become too complacent. Rookie HC mistake don't try and reinvent the wheel right away phase out and in slowly. I thought he learned from this the last 2 years but, when I watch I just don't see the passionate play and hard nose ferocity that I witnessed 3-4 years ago with team chemistry and play. I think if they don't win 20 + this year and are playing in BSC Championship game then he has let it crumble.

The other problem is O'Day and Dennison should have waited on the extention but, those 2 and their leadership/decision qualities is another story. I don't know maybe it was a title nine issue so that's why it happened.

Could not have said it better. I wish I could see them practice. I wonder if they even use basketballs or if they just use PS3's

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

again, this was not a rebuilding job. the program was built, and Tinkle let it crumble.

I wouldn't say let but, it's not neccessarily moving in the direction that most programs have moved after 2 post NCAA toruney appreances and a 2nd round appreance. You look at Gonzaga back in 95. Got to the Tourney for the first time in school history, lost to a Joe Smth lead Maryland but, played tough. Had some retirement issues with Fitz being the HC/AD but, the torch was passed to Monson in 96. 97 NIT appreance and a loss to Wyoming. 98 well they got hot and the rest is history. My point is in 95 when it came to comparing programs the Griz had a better set-up and advantage but, the Zags made the most of what they had and kept building in the right direction. When Monson, took over for Fitz he didn't try and re-invent the wheel and like wise for when Few took over after Monson left. Now they are a top 15 program with a top 15 program budget and resources. It's amazing what can happen in 10 years if you are smart about your choices.

Larry brought in the Triangle offense and P. Jackson philosphy and strategy and what did WT do with it? Well I remember when he was asked if he was going to build on and keep what Larry had started with the triangle? He stated that he was going to move away from it because, he felt it had become too complacent. Rookie HC mistake don't try and reinvent the wheel right away phase out and in slowly. I thought he learned from this the last 2 years but, when I watch I just don't see the passionate play and hard nose ferocity that I witnessed 3-4 years ago with team chemistry and play. I think if they don't win 20 + this year and are playing in BSC Championship game then he has let it crumble.

The other problem is O'Day and Dennison should have waited on the extention but, those 2 and their leadership/decision qualities is another story. I don't know maybe it was a title nine issue so that's why it happened.

Could not have said it better. I wish I could see them practice. I wonder if they even use basketballs or if they just use PS3's

Just call them and ask. Tell them you're thinking about getting into coaching and would like to watch. Plus, make sure you tell them you will not bring anything to write with or record. There is a parnoia in the College basketball community about trading secrets and spying on others practices. Rightfully so. If LK ever gets into coaching CB it would recommend watching his pratices then do some compare and contrast. :idea:

 

[robomomo]

tinkle
2 entries found.

1tinkle (verb)
2tinkle (noun)

Main Entry:
1tin·kle
Pronunciation:
\ˈtiŋ-kəl\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
tin·kled; tin·kling \-k(ə-)liŋ\
Etymology:
Middle English, frequentative of tinken to tinkle, of imitative origin
Date:
15th century
intransitive verb
1: to make or emit a tinkle or a sound suggestive of a tinkle
2: urinate
transitive verb
1: to sound or make known (the time) by a tinkle
2 a: to cause to make a tinkle b: to produce by tinkling <tinkle a tune>

 

[argh!]

well, if it was said on espn talk radio in denver, it must be true.

but more seriously, i remember many on here building up tinkle and the team (ci-tay? ci-tay? where are you ci-tay?). alas, they aren't even living up to the egriz "hype", and you know how negative that usually is. personally, i wish they would have waited to sign tinkle to another contract until this year is over. that would have made a lot more 'business sense' given his marginal track record so far. alas, o'day is very selective when making decisions based on a business model. he mainly does so when coming up with lame football schedules and even lamer reasons for them.

 

[bpcats]

It may be a little bit early to judge Tinkle this year. Most coaches use the early part of the season to do a lot of experimenting with lineups, rotations, etc. It does sound like Tinkle has done a good job of recruiting which definitely helps. The one thing about Tinkle is that he cares deeply about the program at UM and will do everything he can to lead them to a conference title.

I haven't watched the Griz play this year but I would guess that their offense is geared toward their big men in the middle.

Across the divide Huse has the Cats playing fairly tough but they have a ton of new players in the rotation. He bases a lot of what he wants to do off of his guard play.

They played Nevada tough and lost, beat Colorado, then had a letdown in the second half against Boise, and tonight they came back against Oregon State(0-25) and beat them in overtime. They don't have much talent but should be "scrappy" the entire year. Hopefully our perimeter defense will be improve. Huse is pretty tough on his players but they seem to respond to him (or they are gone). Bobby Howard will be our go to guy this year.

The big question for this year can anybody actually challenge Portland State?