New rule

[grizzpa]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

 

[IdaGriz01]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

Maybe not, but it's all about the offense, baby. Just ask any DB about how the game is called these days.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

offensive players can not push the ball carrier that is already against the rules. they can however continue to block on an active play....including blocking the engaged defender

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

offensive players can not push the ball carrier that is already against the rules. they can however continue to block on an active play....including blocking the engaged defender

I think they changed the push rule recently.

 

[SACCAT66]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

offensive players can not push the ball carrier that is already against the rules. they can however continue to block on an active play....including blocking the engaged defender

I think they changed the push rule recently.

You can push the runner forward all you want, but can't Pull him forward. You also can't push a player in the way of someone...

 

[grizfan95]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

offensive players can not push the ball carrier that is already against the rules. they can however continue to block on an active play....including blocking the engaged defender

Offensive players are allowed to push a teammate now. They are not allowed to lift or pull, I believe.

 

[Griz1]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think it is unfair that a runner can be stopped by the D only to be pushed forward for 5 yards by the offense. However, when the D pushes the runner back 5 yards - the runner gets forward motion.
Does this seem equitable?

offensive players can not push the ball carrier that is already against the rules. they can however continue to block on an active play....including blocking the engaged defender

I think they changed the push rule recently.

You can push the runner forward all you want, but can't Pull him forward. You also can't push a player in the way of someone...

That was my understanding. I read a minute ago the rule was changed in 2013-2014 to omit the word "push", but now I can't find the page again.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Griz should have put Bingham or another big ugly behind Eastwood when they needed a yard....

 

[EverettGriz]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I've never understood that either. I concur; it should be first and 25 in that situation.

 

[UMAlum]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I can see why it's handled this way. After all the play is dead (whistle blown) before the personal foul on the offense occurs. Say an offensive player does a naughty 5 seconds after the play is dead. To me it wouldn't make sense to penalize for something that happened in a previous play ... Which it is after 5 seconds.

 

[SACCAT66]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I can see why it's handled this way. After all the play is dead (whistle blown) before the personal foul on the offense occurs. Say an offensive player does a naughty 5 seconds after the play is dead. To me it wouldn't make sense to penalize for something that happened in a previous play ... Which it is after 5 seconds.

I'll add to it, let's say a player (let's say Chase Reynolds) scores a TD, and after he scores the following celebration is flagged...Do they then take the TD away, and give him a 15 yard penalty?

 

[EverettGriz]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I can see why it's handled this way. After all the play is dead (whistle blown) before the personal foul on the offense occurs. Say an offensive player does a naughty 5 seconds after the play is dead. To me it wouldn't make sense to penalize for something that happened in a previous play ... Which it is after 5 seconds.

I'll add to it, let's say a player (let's say Chase Reynolds) scores a TD, and after he scores the following celebration is flagged...Do they then take the TD away, and give him a 15 yard penalty?

Of course not. It's a dead ball. Likewise, they don't take the play away no matter what down the PF occurs on as long as it's a dead ball foul.

 

[Griz1]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I can see why it's handled this way. After all the play is dead (whistle blown) before the personal foul on the offense occurs. Say an offensive player does a naughty 5 seconds after the play is dead. To me it wouldn't make sense to penalize for something that happened in a previous play ... Which it is after 5 seconds.

Under what you are saying if I understand you right lets say on 1st down a team picks up 5 yards and a personal foul penalty is committed. The ball is moved back and the team now is facing 2nd down and 20. How is that different than if a team picks up a first down on lets say the 40, a personal foul penalty is called on a dead ball, the ball is moved back to the 25 and it is now 1st and 10. My problem with that is that it should be 1st and 25 so the team is paying a big penalty and should not be facing 1st and 10. I hope that explains what I am trying to address.

 

[Griz1]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I can see why it's handled this way. After all the play is dead (whistle blown) before the personal foul on the offense occurs. Say an offensive player does a naughty 5 seconds after the play is dead. To me it wouldn't make sense to penalize for something that happened in a previous play ... Which it is after 5 seconds.

I'll add to it, let's say a player (let's say Chase Reynolds) scores a TD, and after he scores the following celebration is flagged...Do they then take the TD away, and give him a 15 yard penalty?

Of course not. It's a dead ball. Likewise, they don't take the play away no matter what down the PF occurs on as long as it's a dead ball foul.

They don't take the play away but they do give him a penalty and it is a 15 yard penalty assessed on the kick off. I am not sure but I think it is a coach's decision that the penalty could be assessed on the extra point try also. Someone more familiar with that rule than I am can answer that.

 

[EverettGriz]

I can see why it's handled this way. After all the play is dead (whistle blown) before the personal foul on the offense occurs. Say an offensive player does a naughty 5 seconds after the play is dead. To me it wouldn't make sense to penalize for something that happened in a previous play ... Which it is after 5 seconds.

I'll add to it, let's say a player (let's say Chase Reynolds) scores a TD, and after he scores the following celebration is flagged...Do they then take the TD away, and give him a 15 yard penalty?

Of course not. It's a dead ball. Likewise, they don't take the play away no matter what down the PF occurs on as long as it's a dead ball foul.

They don't take the play away but they do give him a penalty and it is a 15 yard penalty assessed on the kick off. I am not sure but I think it is a coach's decision that the penalty could be assessed on the extra point try also. Someone more familiar with that rule than I am can answer that.

You are correct on both counts.

 

[behappp]

I would like to see College Football go to the down by or with contact rule like in the pros.Seems ridiculous that a runner slips down and no one is around that they can't get up and continue playing. Could easily still be a PF if you target a player who is still on the ground, untouched.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

IMO the worst rule in football is after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul penalty the referees move the ball back 15 yards and it is now becomes first and 10. I think it should be first and 25 as the team is not penalized as severely as it should be which is ridiculous.

If this happened after first, second or third down the team would would be penalized to the full extent. For example if it happened after a first down play and there was no gain on the play the team would be in a first and 25 situation. So why isn't the rule the same after a team gets a first down and there is a dead ball personal foul.

I am not an official or a coach but to me the rule is nonsensical.

I agree with this. In my opinion if the play ends and a first down is obtained then the new down immediately becomes 1st. if you have a penalty between the finished play and new 1st down play...that should tack on to the yards to gain. I don't understand why this isn't the case.

Side note: I hate how onside kicks are almost impossible now. they really need to find a better way for this play to operate.