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my big complaint about griz basketball...

citygriz

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nada!

I luv what tinks has done with this program. three years of 20-plus wins, consecutive trips to the big dance, weber in its purple palace vanquished as the king of big sky basketball. krysko may have jump-started griz basketball but he did it on kennedy's recruits, and he fled after two years. tinks has not only revived the tradition, he's made it sustainable. this program now has height, athleticism, experience, youth, depth. like the football program, we lose a good player, we're ready to re-load, not rebuild. unlike the football program, we needn't keep a wary eye on police blotter. tinks has made a huge contribution to his beloved alma mater, and here's a big ole cowboy hat's off to him for it.

just one more hurdle: replace bill evans.
 
Growler1 said:
............. win at least one NCAA tournament game

Amen! I am sure Tinkle would not argue that, either, and on the same page, too. :thumb:

The 2011/12 season turned out to be a defining season, and measuring stick for Wayne's program.
Even the most optimistic GRIZ fan expected a 2nd or 3rd place conference season, and maybe 11-5 or 10-6 like conference record.

As a whole, we were not too optimistic, after Qvale graduated. His replacements were young, inexperienced, or out of place trying to replace Qvale. Credit to the players, and staff, by mid December, they realized fitting round pegs in square holes, would not get the job done.

Collectively, they changed roles, and strategies, which utilized every player's strengths, and helped hide their weaknesses. Defensively, Derek Selvig became more a paint shadow and area defender, than a true post up defender. They utilized his length by letting him defend space, verses the heads up physical game. That alone was brilliant. Derek stayed fresher, cut down on fouls, and he looked much more comfortable.

Art Steward and Kareem Jamar were used more in posting up smaller, or not as strong defenders. Both were very effective, scoring, in the paint. Steward defended post players well, with his hands, and strength, he was almost a GRIZ version of Charles Barkley, minus the huge rebounding numbers.

Speaking of rebounding, with Selvig not in foul trouble as much, he put up solid numbers. The perimeter players were expected to contribute more to rebounding, and they did just that.

Mathias Ward was used in a number of ways offensively. If a big was on him, they took advantage of Ward's very nice medium to long range shooting. If teams used a smaller guy on him, Mathias scored from the paint well. Again, going away from the conventional PF/post type role, and utilizing his strengths. Got to admit, Mathias had one hell of a 2nd half of the season, and was an all conference player during the conference tournament.

Another unexpected wrinkle, was to save wear and tear on Cherry, having Jamar run the offense. That role increased as the season did. Not only did it conserve some energy for Cherry, but decreased the pressure on Cherry, and Selvig, in distributing. As the season played out, Jamar turned out to be the GRIZ best playmaker, in making teammates better. To be honest, playmaking is the one thing I feel Cherry has to improve on to see himself getting drafted. Damian Lilliard can be a playmaker, when needed. Cherry has yet to do that consistently. Again, brilliant changes by the staff.

The 2011/12 season also brought something new out of coach Tinkle, which is hard for coaches to develop, and some never do. Tinkle finally went with his gut feelings with our role players, and often it played off. It seemed like, every game we had a different bench guy come up big, in whatever role he was expected to fill. We seen clutch moments from Henderson, Weisner, Stockton, Gregory, Hutchison, and Reader (before he was suspended). It just seemed, Wayne was more confident in every player this season, and it paid off big time. Could that be the main reason, in the best team chemistry I have ever seen in any GRIZ team? The heart, passion, and willingness to play as team, for each other was off the charts. I pray the team play, and defense continues to be a staple in the GRIZ, now and forever.

The future looks bright. This program is on the verge of getting a win or 2 in the NCAA tournament. It is nice to know, going into the 2012/13 season, the GRIZ have 3 all conference caliber players returning in, Cherry, Jamar, and Ward (I think he was just a little pissed being screwed over in the all conference voting, last season).

Who is ready for some GRIZ basketball? I always am!!!! :thumb:
 
mtgrizrule said:
Growler1 said:
............. win at least one NCAA tournament game

Amen! I am sure Tinkle would not argue that, either, and on the same page, too. :thumb:

The 2011/12 season turned out to be a defining season, and measuring stick for Wayne's program.
Even the most optimistic GRIZ fan expected a 2nd or 3rd place conference season, and maybe 11-5 or 10-6 like conference record.

As a whole, we were not too optimistic, after Qvale graduated. His replacements were young, inexperienced, or out of place trying to replace Qvale. Credit to the players, and staff, by mid December, they realized fitting round pegs in square holes, would not get the job done.

Collectively, they changed roles, and strategies, which utilized every player's strengths, and helped hide their weaknesses. Defensively, Derek Selvig became more a paint shadow and area defender, than a true post up defender. They utilized his length by letting him defend space, verses the heads up physical game. That alone was brilliant. Derek stayed fresher, cut down on fouls, and he looked much more comfortable.

Art Steward and Kareem Jamar were used more in posting up smaller, or not as strong defenders. Both were very effective, scoring, in the paint. Steward defended post players well, with his hands, and strength, he was almost a GRIZ version of Charles Barkley, minus the huge rebounding numbers.

Speaking of rebounding, with Selvig not in foul trouble as much, he put up solid numbers. The perimeter players were expected to contribute more to rebounding, and they did just that.

Mathias Ward was used in a number of ways offensively. If a big was on him, they took advantage of Ward's very nice medium to long range shooting. If teams used a smaller guy on him, Mathias scored from the paint well. Again, going away from the conventional PF/post type role, and utilizing his strengths. Got to admit, Mathias had one hell of a 2nd half of the season, and was an all conference player during the conference tournament.

Another unexpected wrinkle, was to save wear and tear on Cherry, having Jamar run the offense. That role increased as the season did. Not only did it conserve some energy for Cherry, but decreased the pressure on Cherry, and Selvig, in distributing. As the season played out, Jamar turned out to be the GRIZ best playmaker, in making teammates better. To be honest, playmaking is the one thing I feel Cherry has to improve on to see himself getting drafted. Damian Lilliard can be a playmaker, when needed. Cherry has yet to do that consistently. Again, brilliant changes by the staff.

The 2011/12 season also brought something new out of coach Tinkle, which is hard for coaches to develop, and some never do. Tinkle finally went with his gut feelings with our role players, and often it played off. It seemed like, every game we had a different bench guy come up big, in whatever role he was expected to fill. We seen clutch moments from Henderson, Weisner, Stockton, Gregory, Hutchison, and Reader (before he was suspended). It just seemed, Wayne was more confident in every player this season, and it paid off big time. Could that be the main reason, in the best team chemistry I have ever seen in any GRIZ team? The heart, passion, and willingness to play as team, for each other was off the charts. I pray the team play, and defense continues to be a staple in the GRIZ, now and forever.

The future looks bright. This program is on the verge of getting a win or 2 in the NCAA tournament. It is nice to know, going into the 2012/13 season, the GRIZ have 3 all conference caliber players returning in, Cherry, Jamar, and Ward (I think he was just a little pissed being screwed over in the all conference voting, last season).

Who is ready for some GRIZ basketball? I always am!!!! :thumb:

Played as a team - Until the Wisconsin game!
 
I agree getting a tournament win is the next step. But for that to happen, the Griz have to step it up during noncon play. They must play better teams (maybe 3 or 4 games aginst top 50 RPIs) and must win at least 2 of those, perhaps 3. That will give them a shot at an 11 or 12 seed (assuming they handle BSC play with only a couple of losses) and a legit shot at an NCAA win or two.
 
We got a really bad matchup against Wisconsin. They were too physical upfront for us and they hit a lot of 3s to blow open the game starting in the second half. Tinks knows what he is doing, he is a bad call in Northern Colorado away from 3 straight trips to the dance! Nothing to complain about at this point
 
ilovethecats said:
SwiLLSaysKobe4MVP said:
he is a bad call in Northern Colorado away from 3 straight trips to the dance!

that is putting it mildly. you guys got hosed all game long. someone made money.... :o


NAU got hosed even worse, in their opening game against UNC.
 
SwiLLSaysKobe4MVP said:
We got a really bad matchup against Wisconsin. They were too physical upfront for us and they hit a lot of 3s to blow open the game starting in the second half. Tinks knows what he is doing, he is a bad call in Northern Colorado away from 3 straight trips to the dance! Nothing to complain about at this point
Had UM won those out of conference games over less talented teams, they would have fared better in the seeding. As it was, they showed what can be a very bright future for Griz hoops. I am anxious to see what the pre conference schedule will be. I suspect St. Mary's, or Loyola, and some other tough games...
 
SwiLLSaysKobe4MVP said:
We got a really bad matchup against Wisconsin. They were too physical upfront for us and they hit a lot of 3s to blow open the game starting in the second half. Tinks knows what he is doing, he is a bad call in Northern Colorado away from 3 straight trips to the dance! Nothing to complain about at this point

But we also stopped playing team basketball, moving without the ball on offense, and Cherry and Jamar deciding to go one-against-the-defense much of the game. You remember how many shots Cheery ate from driving the lane and throwing up a prayer. Tinks stated the same thing in an interview.
 
Growler1 said:
SwiLLSaysKobe4MVP said:
We got a really bad matchup against Wisconsin. They were too physical upfront for us and they hit a lot of 3s to blow open the game starting in the second half. Tinks knows what he is doing, he is a bad call in Northern Colorado away from 3 straight trips to the dance! Nothing to complain about at this point

But we also stopped playing team basketball, moving without the ball on offense, and Cherry and Jamar deciding to go one-against-the-defense much of the game. You remember how many shots Cheery ate from driving the lane and throwing up a prayer. Tinks stated the same thing in an interview.

Wisc blocked 3 shots in the second half. All by the big center. He blocked Ward at the start of the second half. Blocked Cherry on a drive at 7:54 left in the game. Blocked Steward with 6:33 left in the game. So it looks like Cherry "ate" one shot driving the lane in the second half.
 
PlayerRep said:
Growler1 said:
SwiLLSaysKobe4MVP said:
We got a really bad matchup against Wisconsin. They were too physical upfront for us and they hit a lot of 3s to blow open the game starting in the second half. Tinks knows what he is doing, he is a bad call in Northern Colorado away from 3 straight trips to the dance! Nothing to complain about at this point

But we also stopped playing team basketball, moving without the ball on offense, and Cherry and Jamar deciding to go one-against-the-defense much of the game. You remember how many shots Cheery ate from driving the lane and throwing up a prayer. Tinks stated the same thing in an interview.

Wisc blocked 3 shots in the second half. All by the big center. He blocked Ward at the start of the second half. Blocked Cherry on a drive at 7:54 left in the game. Blocked Steward with 6:33 left in the game. So it looks like Cherry "ate" one shot driving the lane in the second half.

PR, you and I, were both at that game. Stats aside, Wisconsin dominated that game in the paint. When they were not swatting/blocking our shots, their presence impacted more shots than any opponent did all season. Cherry seemed too focused to make that paint his. Actually, I loved his mindset. It became a problem, when he was not looking, or did not see other guys with open opportunities, and/or other players not moving enough to take advantage of the attention he drew.

This part of Will's game has to improve. He has playmaking potential, but has to prove he can do it consistently. Meaning, take the ball to the hole, draw attention, and find the open man. Will could learn a lot from Jamar, in this aspect. Granted, Damien Lilliard did not do this often, but did prove to be better playmaker throughout his career than Cherry has, offensively at least. Cherry though, is a big play waiting to happen every defensive stand, which Lilliard may never be.

The Wisconsin game was the perfect opportunity for Will to become that true playmaker, and it just did not turn out that way. I do have a feeling though, he will learn from that game, and it will be what motivates him all off season. I loved he was making it by Wisconsin's perimeter defenders easier than I thought he would. Their paint players were just outright dominating, and impacted that game.
 
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