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M's Trade Guardado to Reds for ...

EverettGriz

EverettGriz

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... a bucket of balls and a plant stand.

They get a guy named Travis Chick, who is at AA ball and has a 4-5 record with a 4.61 era. He also has 36 walks in 84 innings. Not exactly what I'd deem a "top prospect".

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060706&content_id=1542736&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea
 
Actually Everett, there is some positives there, and quite frankly I'm elated that they got rid of "everyday eddie"

Some stuff copied from a mariners chat site:

Chick qualifies under the recent paradigm of trading spare parts for former top prospects who have remained, or turned into projects in recent years. Chick's spent time four different orgs now, the Marlins, the Padres, the Reds, and now the Mariners. After what could be characterized as a major step forward with the Pads at the end of '04, when he posted a 5-0 record with a 2.13 ERA, a 55k/9bb, and 32 hits allowed in 42 innings pitched in the Midwest League, everyone thought the Padres had gotten a steal when they traded away Ismael Valdez. Scouts fell in love with the low-to-mid-90s fastball, the aggressiveness, the hard slider, and the change that was showing potential. By the end of '05, Chick had shown everyone why he hadn't been that highly ranked before. His velocity dropped slightly, his secondary offerings didn't take those steps forward, and he couldn't find a way to pitch out of the jams he got himself into. This year's been slightly better for him so far, he's cut down the hits and walks, and the Ks are closer to where they should be, but he was still posting a 4.61 ERA. He could tap the potential that comped him to Curt Schilling a while ago, just like any pitcher could suddenly break through, but he needs to fix up a few things with his pitches and stop trying to "throw" as much and start actually pitching. The good news is that he just turned 22 in June, so time is still somewhat on his side. At worst, he's the new Jon Huber, or something slightly better than that.
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Just saw a report that the M's sent about $2.5M to Cincinatti with the deal.

Guardado was getting paid $6.25M this year. Half the year is over, so the M's have already paid ~ $3.125M of the contract. Add in the cash included in the trade and the M's have saved ~ $625,000.
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finally

Ho-leee....

Chick was thought of as being comparable to Curt Schilling at the same stage, just needed some kinks worked out and the like.

We got a steal.
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Well, like most of these deals, you never really know for about 3 years. But this kid just doesn't look like a "difference maker" to me. At the start of the year, he was rated the 10th best prospect in their organization, but I'm certain that wouldn't be the case today.

I just wonder what the urgency to make this deal was. I would think that in 25 days the M's could have gotten a much sweeter deal. I wonder if Eddie wasn't pushing so hard for a trade that he became a distraction. If so, it changes every believe I had about the guy. But, as you said ReMax, he ain't helping the M's sitting around, I guess.
 
i was talking to some family who are diehard reds fans...they tell me this guy was talked about to be called up by the reds, but it never happened...i agree i dont think hes going to be that great. look at the numbers and that tells the story. i just wish eddie the best, hes a great guy, and is a great person to help loosen up a tight clubhouse with his humor. I wish him the best and i hope he can get back to Everyday Eddie status.
 
He wont, I'm afraid.

Eddie never won me over, he didn't seem like the right fit. He's a guy who relies on location to strike batters out (you've got to when you throw an 89 mph fast-ball). And he's lacked location since his injuries over the last few years. I'm afraid it might be about time for Eddie to hang it up.
 
This is just another reason why I say Bavasi should be fired. Im not saying Eddie shouldn't have been traded (im not surprised he was), but Bavasi is horrible at trades. Im not sure if he was involved in the Freddy Garcia deal, but other than that, I challange anyone to name a trade where we got the better end of the deal.
 
Raul Ibanez, was that a trade or a free agency signing?

Anyways I agree, this team is probably 1 SOLID starting pitcher and one .300+ hitter (preferably a power hitter) from winning the west, IMO.

They do need a change in the front office, thats obvious though, a bunch of bonehead trades and off-season decisions are very obvious. They also need a new head coach, big time.
 
Good god people - his era is 5.5! How much demand do you think there is for a guy pitching with a torn rotator cuff, no movement on his pitches and a pissy attitude to boot? Eddie is still relatively effective for against left handed hitters but right handed batters are killing him. I'll bet he finishes the year in the same role with the Reds - mop up LOOGY.

The fact that Bavasi got anything more than a warm bucket of spit for Gas Can Guardado is impressive. Eddie is toast. This is addition by subtraction.
 
GrizBiz said:
Good god people - his era is 5.5! How much demand do you think there is for a guy pitching with a torn rotator cuff, no movement on his pitches and a pissy attitude to boot? Eddie is still relatively effective for against left handed hitters but right handed batters are killing him. I'll bet he finishes the year in the same role with the Reds - mop up LOOGY.

The fact that Bavasi got anything more than a warm bucket of spit for Gas Can Guardado is impressive. Eddie is toast. This is addition by subtraction.
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Biz, I agree with you in principle. But I do believe that had they waited until closer to the deadline, the pot would have been sweeter. Just look at what they are saying about Eddie in Cinnci. It's like he's their savior. Closers, whether they've had recent success or not, are always coveted.
 
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Eddie has a no-trade clause that includes every team on the east coast. No Yankees, no Boston, no Toronto, etc...1/3 of the market is gone right there.

Now take out every mid-west or west coast team that has no realistic chance at contention. No Cubs, no Indians, no Angels (HA!), etc...Your market shrinks even further.

Now take out every mid-west or west-coast team that has no need for Eddie and the market shrinks again. No Astros, no Padres, no A's, no Detroit, no DBacks, no WhiteSox, etc...

What's left is a pretty thin market for a pitcher that is obviously out of gas. The Reds, maybe the Dodgers and that's about it. The Dodgers have Gagne coming back from injury, so I doubt they would want him.

Bavasi said that the offers he got for Eddie last year at the deadline were similar to what he was offered for Villone. That weren't much - none of those guys are even in the organization in 2006. If Eddie was worth that last year, he had to be worth less this year.

Reds fans will learn - Eddie will give up 12,345,523 home runs in that ball park.

I would have dfa'd Eddie six weeks ago, myself.
 
Unfortunately, Eric Gagne has been reported to have a couple herniated discs in his back & may require surgery. Hate to see a good pitcher go down with injuries, even if they're a competitor on another team. The Yanks could eventually get him in the future at some time or another. If healthy that is.
 
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