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Mountain West Conference Revenue

PlayerRep

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Here's what I found in a Jan. 2013 article for MWC conference revenue. Another article said under $2 million per school for the MWC.

"A total income of $21.5 million, with $7 million coming from bowl games, $6.5 million from the NCAA tournament and $8 million from TV revenue."

Where is BillingsPoke coming up with his $5 million per school revenue figure? MW bowl revenue must be inflated/increased by Boise St. The rumors say that Boise St will get a disproportionate share of conference revenue by staying in the conference.
 
PlayerRep said:
Here's what I found in a Jan. 2013 article for MWC conference revenue. Another article said under $2 million per school for the MWC.

"A total income of $21.5 million, with $7 million coming from bowl games, $6.5 million from the NCAA tournament and $8 million from TV revenue."

Where is BillingsPoke coming up with his $5 million per school revenue figure? MW bowl revenue must be inflated/increased by Boise St. The rumors say that Boise St will get a disproportionate share of conference revenue by staying in the conference.
He stayed at the Holiday Inn Express... and drank bottled refinery water.. :puke: $$$$$$$
 
PlayerRep said:
Here's what I found in a Jan. 2013 article for MWC conference revenue. Another article said under $2 million per school for the MWC.

"A total income of $21.5 million, with $7 million coming from bowl games, $6.5 million from the NCAA tournament and $8 million from TV revenue."

Where is BillingsPoke coming up with his $5 million per school revenue figure? MW bowl revenue must be inflated/increased by Boise St. The rumors say that Boise St will get a disproportionate share of conference revenue by staying in the conference.


again you are using Dated info.

MWC new TV deal was just signed March 20th, 2013 making your post out of date as I mentioned earlier. TV revenue for 2013 is $18 - $20 Million split between 11 schools. Yes there are some bonus provisions so some will make more then others.

http://www.themwc.com/genrel/032013aac.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://sports.fresnobeehive.com/archives/2752" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Revenue from New FBS playoff distribution is not included in your numbers either and it begins in 2014

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21487155/mountain-west-will-split-revenue-50-50-if-champion-makes-playoff-bowl-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The new playoff revenue distribution plan among the Group of Five is still in development. However, several sources told CBSSports.com that it will probably look something like this: There will be an available annual pool of $86 million each season. That's the equivalent of $17.2 million per conference multiplied by five.

MWC has come into significantly more revenue then the numbers you are selling. Hell we just put 5 teams in the NCAA for 7 NCAA tourney credits to bring up the BB number you quote as well. TV revenue alone climbed by $10 - $12 million a year to the conference due to the new TV deal

so lets say $20 million in TV money, 17.5 million in FBS shared Playoff money, 7 million from Bowl games, and 7 million from NCAA games.

A total of 51.5 million to the conference. hmmmmm
 
Poke, there is no number for tv revenue cited in your first linked article. The second one mentions $18 million, not $18-20 million. This is what I saw in an earlier article: "The current deal with CBS pays the Mountain West schools approximately $12 million per year, and what I can gather from the article is that number will not change." Feel free to clarify.

As for playoff revenue, which doesn't start for years, the article you linked makes no sense. Here are some quotes from it: "If it has a team in a playoff bowl, the Mountain West will give half of that amount to its champion. The other half would be split among the conference members." So half would go the the champion, probably Boise St. Of the 5 lesser conferences including the MW, "The highest-rated conference that year will get approximately $7 million. The lowest rated will get $1.5 million." This doesn't match up with your figures.

The article doesn't say that the conferences would get those amounts. The money wouldn't be divided pro rata; the better conferences would get a much bigger share of the monehy. Jeez, the article you cited makes no sense.

Not even close to $51.5 million for the conference.

You're making up stuff.
 
PlayerRep said:
Poke, there is no number for tv revenue cited in your first linked article. The second one mentions $18 million, not $18-20 million. This is what I saw in an earlier article: "The current deal with CBS pays the Mountain West schools approximately $12 million per year, and what I can gather from the article is that number will not change." Feel free to clarify.

As for playoff revenue, which doesn't start for years, the article you linked makes no sense. Here are some quotes from it: "If it has a team in a playoff bowl, the Mountain West will give half of that amount to its champion. The other half would be split among the conference members." So half would go the the champion, probably Boise St. Of the 5 lesser conferences including the MW, "The highest-rated conference that year will get approximately $7 million. The lowest rated will get $1.5 million." This doesn't match up with your figures.

The article doesn't say that the conferences would get those amounts. Jeez, the article you cited makes no sense.

Not even close to $51.5 million for the conference.

You're making up stuff.

ah the spinmaster

$18 million for new TV deal but CCG not yet included in the deal and that is being negotiated. SO it will go up. CBS is currently the only rights holder to the MWC. That changes this fall and we now have contracts with CBS and ESPN. CBS pays 12 million and now ESPN pays another 6 million on top of that for a total contract of 18 million with some inventory left to sell including CCG. which is why the dollar amount will go up and estimates are in the 1.5 to 2 million range for the CCG and remaining tier 3 inventory. There is my 18 - 20 million dolla TV projection. Nothing made up.
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Playoff starts in 2014 (one year not years) and about the time a new member would join to share in new revenue

the article makes no sense as you have no clue how the BCS currently pays out and how that is changing under the new playoff system.

here is the playoff structure
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8099187/ncaa-presidents-approve-four-team-college-football-playoff-beginning-2014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

a simple explanation on the payouts for you

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2012/12/11/3755592/details-of-new-postseason-money-distribution-emerge" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Estimates are that the non AQ leagues of BE, MWC, MAC, Sunbelt, and CUSA will share $86 - $90 million dollars to be broken out among themselves. If it was an even distribution that is $17.2 - $18 million per conference. The article I quoted assumes an uneven distribution based on merit and field performance. Makes perfect sense if you have been following it so this could be a little higher or lower for the MWC from year to year.

so MWC gets (lets use the low numbers for you)

18 million in TV revenue
17 Million in playoff revenue
7 million in Bowl revenue
7 million in NCAA money

49 Million to the conference on the low end. Divided by 12 -- about $4 million each using the lowest estimatesm but that number will vary by conference member. Hawaii is not sharing in the TV money so that ups everyone elses numbers a bit.
 
Nope, your numbers and analysis are wrong. Here's a much better article. It says that Boise St will get a disproportionate share of the tv revenue. Hawaii will also get more than other schools. Or, if their games are outside the contract, feel free to correct me and fill us in on that. And the pro rata amount of the tv would be only $1.5 million per school, so most schools will get less than that.

Note that the MWC will have 12 football teams and 11 basketball teams.

"Payout: If the money were split evenly among 12 members (Utah State and San Jose State join as full members next season; Hawaii is a football-only.), the per-school annual payout would be $1.5 million. But that’s not how things will work in the Mountain West.

The league will pay out a national television bonus for teams that appear on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN or ESPN2. (It does not include games on sister networks like CBS Sports Network, NBC Sports Network and Fox Sports 1.) The bonus is $300,000, plus an additional $200,000 for Saturday games. The ESPN deal includes all six Boise State home games, so the Broncos stand to do very well under the deal.

If all six Boise State home games were televised on ESPN or ESPN2 on Saturdays, it would take $5 million out of the pot in bonuses. (BSU would get $3 million — six times $500,000 — and its four conference foes in those games would get $2 million — four times $500,000). It seems unlikely that all six games will be on ESPN or ESPN2.

So it will be an uneven pay structure with Boise State almost assuredly getting the most money. Hawaii, with its attractive late television time slot, is likely to get more money than an average Mountain West team from the bonus structure."

And, again, the playoff money will go to the 5 lesser conference disproportionately. $17 million for the MW is probably much too high, unless Boise pulls the conference up every year. This is the group of 5: the Big East, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/stewart_mandel/11/12/college-football-playoff-six-bowls/index.html#ixzz2OuDE9RY2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see that your original $5 million figure per school is now down to $4 million. Still way too high, but at least you're starting to get more realistic.

http://blogs.idahostatesman.com/did-boise-state-pick-the-right-conference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
PlayerRep said:
Nope, your numbers and analysis are wrong. Here's a much better article. It says that Boise St will get a disproportionate share of the tv revenue. Hawaii will also get more than other schools. And the pro rata amount of the tv would be only $1.5 million per school, so most schools will get less than that.

Note that the MWC will have 12 football teams and 11 basketball teams.

"Payout: If the money were split evenly among 12 members (Utah State and San Jose State join as full members next season; Hawaii is a football-only.), the per-school annual payout would be $1.5 million. But that’s not how things will work in the Mountain West.

The league will pay out a national television bonus for teams that appear on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN or ESPN2. (It does not include games on sister networks like CBS Sports Network, NBC Sports Network and Fox Sports 1.) The bonus is $300,000, plus an additional $200,000 for Saturday games. The ESPN deal includes all six Boise State home games, so the Broncos stand to do very well under the deal.

If all six Boise State home games were televised on ESPN or ESPN2 on Saturdays, it would take $5 million out of the pot in bonuses. (BSU would get $3 million — six times $500,000 — and its four conference foes in those games would get $2 million — four times $500,000). It seems unlikely that all six games will be on ESPN or ESPN2.

So it will be an uneven pay structure with Boise State almost assuredly getting the most money. Hawaii, with its attractive late television time slot, is likely to get more money than an average Mountain West team from the bonus structure."

And, again, the playoff money will go to the 5 lesser conference disproportionately. $17 million for the MW is probably much too high, unless Boise pulls the conference up every year. This is the group of 5: the Big East, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/stewart_mandel/11/12/college-football-playoff-six-bowls/index.html#ixzz2OuDE9RY2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see that your original $5 million figure per school is now down to $4 million. Still way too high, but at least you're starting to get more realistic.

http://blogs.idahostatesman.com/did-boise-state-pick-the-right-conference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


nope hawaii does not share in TV revenue in order to keep their private pay per view TV deal which pays 2.3 million per year. So each schools payout is about 1.8 millions. MWC expects to pay about 6 million in bonus money and while Boise will get quite a bit most schools will get some and Air Force who hosts Notre Dame this year will do well. Payouts will vary year to year depending on schedule to be sure

Article also mentions that the negotiation continue for the CCG and many games not yet sold to ESPN or CBS. so final $$ value of TV deal is not yet known. thus my $20 million number

17 million playoff money is probably low as the MWC will outperform MAC, CUSA and Sunblet almost every year. I think we trade off the big spot with the BE for the big bowl game. Just how much revenue we get from the playoff will be interesting to be sure.

at lest you are not quoting year old data now
 
At least, you're not even claiming $5 million per year now. Again, I think your figures are still way too high.
 
PlayerRep said:
At least, you're not even claiming $5 million per year now. Again, I think your figures are still way too high.

I used the low number of 4 million for the skeptics. Some MWC school will hit the $5 million number like Boise, Air Force, and maybe Hawai while others may be around $3.5 million, that number and who gets what will vary based on a teams schedule. When Wyo hosts Oregon and Missouri we will see a nice bonus. this year we host Idaho and won't see as much. Wont' be much money in hosting FCS teams as those games don't get on TV. The bonus will help us attract better teams to our stadiums when we know they will be televised. SHould really help the home schedule

I think you are too low for the most part. Either way we have to wait and see what the playoff payout is split, what the CCG sells for, how the split up the remaining tier 3 games not yet sold, to know for sure.
Glad you are not quoting really old data now and seem to understand the deal. Bet in the end I am closer then you are.
 
Hawaii won't share tv revenues initially, but if the revenues per school rise, Hawaii then will share in the revenues.

"the Warriors are a football-only member of the MWC and will not see any revenues from the deals immediately.

School officials have said that under terms of their membership agreement with the conference, the UH will not get revenues until the football shares of the other 11 members exceed $2.3 million each annually. The other members are expected to average about $1.5 million each annually, depending upon bonuses, from the combined deals with ESPN and CBS."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130320_ESPN_Mountain_West_reach_TV_deal_for_football_basketball.html?id=199233621" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, Boise St is going to get a disproportionate shares of the tv revenues.

"The centerpiece of the deal, and a provision unique to Boise State among its MWC peers, is the ability for the Broncos to negotiate its own television deal for all home games. Boise State will work with the MWC to sign a broadcast deal with the top networks that provides the best exposure and revenue for the school, Kustra said.
Money from that deal will go to the Mountain West, then distributed back to Boise State and other teams in a bonus plan. For example, the MWC will pay Boise State $300,000 if a game at Bronco Stadium is televised nationally by ESPN, ESPN2, NBC, CBS or Fox, and another $200,000 if that game is played on Saturdays.
The MWC also has agreed to 50/50 split with Boise State - or any other league team - the revenue paid for making it to a BCS bowl game.
Ultimately, those financial incentives and giving Boise State the flexibility to control its own television destiny were more appealing than anything the Big East was prepared to offer, Kustra said."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130102/boise-state-mountain-west-decision.ap/#ixzz2OuHGDjyN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
PlayerRep said:
Hawaii won't share tv revenues initially, but if the revenues per school rise, Hawaii then will share in the revenues.

"the Warriors are a football-only member of the MWC and will not see any revenues from the deals immediately.

School officials have said that under terms of their membership agreement with the conference, the UH will not get revenues until the football shares of the other 11 members exceed $2.3 million each annually. The other members are expected to average about $1.5 million each annually, depending upon bonuses, from the combined deals with ESPN and CBS."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130320_ESPN_Mountain_West_reach_TV_deal_for_football_basketball.html?id=199233621" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, Boise St is going to get a disproportionate shares of the tv revenues.

"The centerpiece of the deal, and a provision unique to Boise State among its MWC peers, is the ability for the Broncos to negotiate its own television deal for all home games. Boise State will work with the MWC to sign a broadcast deal with the top networks that provides the best exposure and revenue for the school, Kustra said.
Money from that deal will go to the Mountain West, then distributed back to Boise State and other teams in a bonus plan. For example, the MWC will pay Boise State $300,000 if a game at Bronco Stadium is televised nationally by ESPN, ESPN2, NBC, CBS or Fox, and another $200,000 if that game is played on Saturdays.
The MWC also has agreed to 50/50 split with Boise State - or any other league team - the revenue paid for making it to a BCS bowl game.
Ultimately, those financial incentives and giving Boise State the flexibility to control its own television destiny were more appealing than anything the Big East was prepared to offer, Kustra said."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130102/boise-state-mountain-west-decision.ap/#ixzz2OuHGDjyN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

every team in the MWC qualifys for the bonus. anyone on national TV gets the bonus, not just boise, and if it is a conference game both teams get the bonus, home and visitor. whatever Boise gets for conference home games the other teams gets the same. Also if say a Fresno goes to the BCS game then they get the 50% split as well. All we have to do is start beating Boise and the money gets spread around a bit more,

once again all the conference Games and the CCG are not yet sold so the revenue number will climb a bit
 
Glad you're getting more realistic. You were saying that UM could get $5 million previously, in that discussion. Now you're saying some teams will be getting only $3.5 million. I don't think that number is realistic either, based on eyeballing the numbers in these articles.

Enjoyed the discussion, tho. Going to bed now.
 
PlayerRep said:
Glad you're getting more realistic. You were saying that UM could get $5 million previously, in that discussion. Now you're saying some teams will be getting only $3.5 million. I don't think that number is realistic either, based on eyeballing the numbers in these articles.

Enjoyed the discussion, tho. Going to bed now.

will agree it is complicated and until after the first year is over we won't really know how much each team makes. Still think the range is $3.5 million - $5 million total conference payout to teams. depending on each teams schedule

the thought for Montana is that you could pull bigger crowds and more money is Boise, Idaho, and Nevada for example came back to town
 
Come on people face the facts and get real here. UM makes next to nothing in the BSC. No one out side of a very few FCS markets gives a crap about FCS. We are DivII in most people mind. UM wouls make more money at the FBS level. Yes it would cost more to play there but in the wnd we would make more $. Added to that better national exposure which leads to more enrollment, more and better athleates. College football is no longer just a game, it's a business. If UM does not realize this then they are in for a world of hurt. Times have changed folks we have to change with them even as muc as we may not like or want to. Billings Poke is right in that we would have a much more exciting brand off football at that level. Yes the atmosphere at WA Griz is awesome. But what about UofI, UNC, PSU, etc, etc. At the next level every game we went out of town to would have at least 12k at them but I suspect much more. We would have OOC games with PAC12 schools every year I would imagine. I also think we would get WSU and OSU, Utah to work at home and away deals. There is so much more potential of good at the next level. We just have to be willing to take on the risk and challenge. Or we be complacent and sit by and watch others pass us by.
 
billings_poke said:
PlayerRep said:
Glad you're getting more realistic. You were saying that UM could get $5 million previously, in that discussion. Now you're saying some teams will be getting only $3.5 million. I don't think that number is realistic either, based on eyeballing the numbers in these articles.

Enjoyed the discussion, tho. Going to bed now.

will agree it is complicated and until after the first year is over we won't really know how much each team makes. Still think the range is $3.5 million - $5 million total conference payout to teams. depending on each teams schedule

the thought for Montana is that you could pull bigger crowds and more money is Boise, Idaho, and Nevada for example came back to town
It is not possible to pull bigger crowds without more expansion. We sell out DII games.
 
JBS said:
billings_poke said:
PlayerRep said:
Glad you're getting more realistic. You were saying that UM could get $5 million previously, in that discussion. Now you're saying some teams will be getting only $3.5 million. I don't think that number is realistic either, based on eyeballing the numbers in these articles.

Enjoyed the discussion, tho. Going to bed now.

will agree it is complicated and until after the first year is over we won't really know how much each team makes. Still think the range is $3.5 million - $5 million total conference payout to teams. depending on each teams schedule

the thought for Montana is that you could pull bigger crowds and more money is Boise, Idaho, and Nevada for example came back to town
It is not possible to pull bigger crowds without more expansion. We sell out DII games.
Did you go to the Idaho State game last year, for example? Several games last year did not sell out. Here is last years's attendance:

S Dak (opening game, return of Joe Glenn, football parents day) 25,126
Liberty 24,991 (hall of fame game)
NAU (Homecoming) 25,254
S Utah (Cancer Awareness) 25,684
Idaho State (Military appreciation) 24,152
Montana State 26,210

Assuming the MSU game represents the maximum number of tickets that could be sold, this indicates the Griz could have sold an additional 5,843 tickets, at $33 each = $192,819. Not much, but we do need to get beyond the every game is sold out fallacy, because it is no longer true.
 
billings_poke said:
PlayerRep said:
Glad you're getting more realistic. You were saying that UM could get $5 million previously, in that discussion. Now you're saying some teams will be getting only $3.5 million. I don't think that number is realistic either, based on eyeballing the numbers in these articles.

Enjoyed the discussion, tho. Going to bed now.

will agree it is complicated and until after the first year is over we won't really know how much each team makes. Still think the range is $3.5 million - $5 million total conference payout to teams. depending on each teams schedule

the thought for Montana is that you could pull bigger crowds and more money is Boise, Idaho, and Nevada for example came back to town

$3.5 maybe, eventually. $5 million, no way in the foreseeable future.

By the way, I went back and looked at your original $5 million figure and how you stated it. You said:

"$5 million per year is about what the MWC pays out to its members."

That's absolutely false. For the prior year, or for prior year for which figures seemed to be available online, the figure was either $1.6 or $1.8 million paid out.

If it is now said that it looks like the MW will be able to pay out about $3.5 per year to conference members (if all goes well), after the playoff/bowl system is created and changed, then I can accept that.
 
OrgonGriz said:
Come on people face the facts and get real here. UM makes next to nothing in the BSC. No one out side of a very few FCS markets gives a crap about FCS. We are DivII in most people mind. UM wouls make more money at the FBS level. Yes it would cost more to play there but in the wnd we would make more $. Added to that better national exposure which leads to more enrollment, more and better athleates. College football is no longer just a game, it's a business. If UM does not realize this then they are in for a world of hurt. Times have changed folks we have to change with them even as muc as we may not like or want to. Billings Poke is right in that we would have a much more exciting brand off football at that level. Yes the atmosphere at WA Griz is awesome. But what about UofI, UNC, PSU, etc, etc. At the next level every game we went out of town to would have at least 12k at them but I suspect much more. We would have OOC games with PAC12 schools every year I would imagine. I also think we would get WSU and OSU, Utah to work at home and away deals. There is so much more potential of good at the next level. We just have to be willing to take on the risk and challenge. Or we be complacent and sit by and watch others pass us by.

Wrong on multiple accounts. Yes, UM doesn't make much from the conference in the Big Sky, but it also doesn't have the huge additional expenses of being FBS. FCS in general, and UM in particular, are much better known nationally, and respected by many, than what you say. In my view, winning and participating in championships attracts more good attention and more students, than just being in FBS as an also-ran. If UM were to move up without adequate funding, this would decrease the chance of success. If UM was very successful relatively quickly, attendance would decline fairly rapidly, in my view. Losing to BYU or Air Force doesn't excite me. Playing Utah St, etc. also doesn't excite me. I'd much rather play App St, other top FCS programs, compete for the conference championship, and participate in the playoffs. The playoffs are the best part of FCS, and the road to getting to the playoffs and earning higher seeds for home games, is very exciting.
 
PlayerRep said:
Yes, UM doesn't make much from the conference in the Big Sky, but it also doesn't have the huge additional expenses of being FBS. FCS in general, and UM in particular, are much better known nationally, and respected by many, than what you say. In my view, winning and participating in championships attracts more good attention and more students, than just being in FBS as an also-ran. If UM were to move up without adequate funding, this would decrease the chance of success. If UM was very successful relatively quickly, attendance would decline fairly rapidly, in my view. Losing to BYU or Air Force doesn't excite me. Playing Utah St, etc. also doesn't excite me. I'd much rather play App St, other top FCS programs, compete for the conference championship, and participate in the playoffs. The playoffs are the best part of FCS, and the road to getting to the playoffs and earning higher seeds for home games, is very exciting.

This whole exercise is pretty silly right now, because UM isn't going anywhere. But for the sake of argument, wouldn't you entire statement also apply to moving down to D-II, or better yet, NAIA and the frontier conference? For example:

UM would receive less money from the conference (due to NCAA basketball tournament revenues) if we dropped down to NAIA, but costs would be significantly lower - fewer scholarships, more scholarships filled from in-state due to the lower competition level, especially for non-revenue sports, and travel would be significantly reduced.

A few teams, like Montana and now North Dakota State, are nationally know due to their success in the playoffs. Carroll College had a picture on the cover of Sports Illustrated after winning their national title. D-II Grand Valley State and Valdost are probably better know nationally than 90% of teh FCS programs. Orgon Griz is correct that the National perception of FCS is that it is D-II. It is infuriating, but it is what it is, anyone that doesn't explicitly follow FCS football thinks of it as less than D-I. I think it would be hard to argue that in general the National perception FCS is above NAIA or D-II, especially when you consider one of the auto-bid conferences to the FCS playoffs offer no scholarships, so is essentially D-III.

As a State research University, Montana would be expected to be immediately successful at the lower level of competition, and win multiple National Championships. This should generate higher attendance for Montana.

frankly losing Southern Utah, Northern Arizona and North Dakota doesn't excite me. Playing Sac State and Northern Colorado doesn't excite me. I would rather face and compete with top ranked NAIA program like Carroll College and St. Francis.

Montana's basketball programs could actually compete and win national championships, boosting attendance and revenues for the athletic budget.

I am not suggesting Montana should move down, although UM has moved down several times in their history, and attempted to reduce football scholarships several more times, the latest being 1993 when Dennison pushed through a resolution in the Big Sky to reduce football scholarships by 18. This was the last straw for the Idaho BOE, and it allowed BSU and Idaho to leave the conference rather than try to compete at the DII level of scholarships. However the good arguments you make for staying FCS also apply to dropping to D-II or NAIA, and I am sure this will not escape Pat Williams attention.
 
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