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Lady Griz @ NAU
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GrizFan1999
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Congrats Lady Griz, went on the road and beat a tough team. Lets pack the Adams Center for the tourney!
DoubleNicks
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Montana Gym Rat said:
For Thursday, Feb. 22 (rankings from Coaches' Poll):
#25 James Madison (24-3) lost to unranked Delaware (23-4) 67-77
#20 Michigan State (21-7) lost to unranked Illinois (18-9) 46-56
#26 California (21-7) had to comeback and have overtime to beat unranked USC (16-11) 86-79
Also:
#24 Nebraska (21-7) lost their third straight to unranked Iowa State (20-7) 64-53 on Tuesday
#19 Marquette (22-5) lost to unranked Seton Hall (17-9) 58-63 on Tues.
This, coupled with playing and beating the top three competitors in the conference recently, should gain the LG some more votes but will it be enough to put them in the top 25?
Grizbacker1
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DoubleNicks said:
Unfortunately, probably not. Selvig didn't think there was much of a chance unless the LG ran the table (he said it before the lone BSC loss) and felt the ladies would need to win the tourney to assure an NCAA bid as he didn't think they would get an at large.
25-2
RPI 32
4-1 vs. Top 100 RPI Teams
We're a lock, no matter what the outcome of the BCS Tourney.
I think we're looking at a 7-10 seed. 6 or 11 would be better for a sweet 16 run but oh well, one win would do us good too. i'm starting to sound greedy.
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_170_Women.html
RPI 32
4-1 vs. Top 100 RPI Teams
We're a lock, no matter what the outcome of the BCS Tourney.
I think we're looking at a 7-10 seed. 6 or 11 would be better for a sweet 16 run but oh well, one win would do us good too. i'm starting to sound greedy.
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_170_Women.html
WyomingGrizFan
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I think its been like only once since the NCAA Tournament even started that the Selection Committee took more than one team out of the BSC. That was what?..1994 or something. Both the LG & Boise St. I believe; but they were both rated in the Top 25 if not mistaken. I'd rather win the next four games and forego the anxiety attack.
In other words, its not a lock unless we win the BSC Tournament.
In other words, its not a lock unless we win the BSC Tournament.
WyomingGrizFan
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I think it wouldn't hurt to remind oneself that it wasn't too long ago that Gonzaga was left out of the NCAAs with a 27 - 3 record, this after having, at the time, the nations longest winning streak of 23 games. I believe this was the 2004-05 season when the LBulldogs lost their starting PG Shannon Mathews, their second leading scorer, career assists leader, to an injury that prevented her playing but a handful of minutes against Santa Clara in the WCC Tournament Championship. She was also the first player from Gonzaga to be accorded HM All-American honors, this after her senior year.
Perhaps 'IamYou,' you're really a Weber St. fan visiting under disguise? It seems that you're saying what they would be saying going into the BSC Tournament. The 'only' real lock in this instance is that the WNIT invites teams that won the regular season title but lost in their tournament, like what Idaho St. did last year and Gonzaga the year before.
Perhaps 'IamYou,' you're really a Weber St. fan visiting under disguise? It seems that you're saying what they would be saying going into the BSC Tournament. The 'only' real lock in this instance is that the WNIT invites teams that won the regular season title but lost in their tournament, like what Idaho St. did last year and Gonzaga the year before.
GrizBBIsKing
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Coaches poll, the Lady Griz have a small chance of making the top 25.
The AP poll, Lady Griz will never make the top 25. Montana Gym Rat can only dream of that.
Past 2 or 3 weeks, the teams that have kept lady Griz out have come from below. Both Texas and NC State jumped from way below us. Teams from stronger conferences will jump higher and faster after a win in their conference, then a Lady Griz win over a Big Sky Conference.
But, luckily, polls are not considered in seeding the tournament. But a players injury is taken into consideration. WyomingGriz mentioned a player injured for Gonzaga. All that is in the guidelines for seeding that the NCAA uses.
Anyway, Congrats to Lady Griz for clinching Big Sky Tournament.
Lady Griz now have to beat UNC to win conference outright. Weber State can still tie us for a co-championship. Lady Griz just need to win 1 game to do that and they will not lose at home. But, I would rather get it over with and beat UNC.
The AP poll, Lady Griz will never make the top 25. Montana Gym Rat can only dream of that.
Past 2 or 3 weeks, the teams that have kept lady Griz out have come from below. Both Texas and NC State jumped from way below us. Teams from stronger conferences will jump higher and faster after a win in their conference, then a Lady Griz win over a Big Sky Conference.
But, luckily, polls are not considered in seeding the tournament. But a players injury is taken into consideration. WyomingGriz mentioned a player injured for Gonzaga. All that is in the guidelines for seeding that the NCAA uses.
Anyway, Congrats to Lady Griz for clinching Big Sky Tournament.
Lady Griz now have to beat UNC to win conference outright. Weber State can still tie us for a co-championship. Lady Griz just need to win 1 game to do that and they will not lose at home. But, I would rather get it over with and beat UNC.
I would certainly think the Lady Griz are in even if they should stumble during the BSC tournament. But let's not leave anything to chance, Ladies. Go finish the job, secure a nice mid-range seed, and then go shock the world.
I hate to be the bad guy here, but if the Lady Griz don't take care of business on their home court and win the conf tourney, they don't deserve an at large bid. Having said that, I believe they will indeed take care of business and rock on to the big dance where they will win at least one and possibly 2 depending on our seed. GO LG! :thumb:
GrizBBIsKing
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griz2000 said:
But, if the Lady Griz do not win the tourney, there would be a very good chance of another home game in the wnit.
WyomingGrizFan
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If that of an injured player is taken into consideration by the NCAA Selection Committee when it comes to 'seeding,' then you're also saying, 'GrizBBIsKing,' that such an ocurrence also serves as grounds for a complete expulsion, then, also?
It's interesting then, that HC of Gonzaga Mark Few didn't know about these guidelines that the NCAA uses, at least for the women's tournament. Since he is quoted as saying:
"That was the biggest travesty of the day," he (HC Mark Few) said of the exclusion of Gonzaga from the women's tournament despite a 27 - 3 record. "It's just shocking. It's appalling."
http://spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=59010
"They've got to get some basketball people on that committee. They don't have the expertise and experience that we have on our committee (assuming the men's Selection Committee). You can't go 23 for 24 down the stretch, go undefeated in your league and then have it come down to losing one game without the best player in the league in your lineup. Those people just don't know what they're doing."
So, 'GrizBBIsKing,' you're saying that in the men's tournament there is no exclusion of a team that suffered an injury to their best player, but in the women's there is this policy?..in their guidlines?
Now, I understand you referenced a 'seeding' policy, but isn't that contingent upon actually being 'selected' to begin with? One can't be seeded unless they are for real selected into a tournament.
Besides which, the injured player Shannon Mathews, did play for Gonzaga in their hosted First Round game against BYU in the WNIT after spraining an ankle in their game against Santa Clara. She scored 24 points going 9 for 12 in FGs, 4 for 6 in treys with six assists. So it's not as if she couldn't play in Gonzaga's First Round game in the NCAA Tournamernt, 'if' selected, that is.
I'am not saying I favor one team over another in this dissertation, but I would have thought there was an equitable 'across-the-board' consideration, as advertised through the media about the affairs of a 'Political State and it's institutions of society' when dealing with collegiate athletics, at the very least, as 'sports' reflects the values of that aforesaid society, in the rules and their adherence, both men's and women's, than of what is cited, which seems to me a casual distain shrouded under the aegis of 'guidelines for seeding that the NCAA uses,' which really doesn't pertain to the initial 'selection process' to begin with. 'As lucid as the policies of the NCAA should be, and are touted to be, I am still rather confused by this apparent 'double standard' treating a certain gender as 'a secondary citizen;' a modest qualification for what was 'swept under the rug,' in such an instance.
GrizBBIsKing
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WyomingGrizFan said:
Actually, I should have mentioned that injuries can be considered when selecting at-large teams, in addition to seeding, and bracketing.
The men's and women's guidelines are pretty much the same, with some differences.
Here is the link to the men's:
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/story/9183455
Here is the link to the women's:
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/story/9183597
The second principle regards questions that an Athletic Director can answer about the team they represent. Injuries are one of the things they can answer, which can be considered in both seeding and selecting at-large selection.
Here is the general principle for selection, seeding, and bracketing that I am referring to:
There is nothing about exclusion due to injuries or anything else. Just that injuries can be 1 of many factors that can affect a way a selection committee member votes.
Now, WyomingGriz, I have only mentioned injuries could be considered. There is some subjectivity in selection and seeding. Who knows how selection committee members will vote (that is what they do).
And I certainly cannot say that the injury to the Gonzaga player is the reason Gonzaga didn't get in. But, it could be a reason.
Robin Selvig, I believe if I remember right, also reacted the same way Few did when Gonzaga wasn't.
GrizBBIsKing
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By the way, WyomingGriz, the above quote you took of Few's is kind of interesting. One of the NCAA selection committee members this year is Barbara Burke of Wyoming. She is a Deputy Athletic Director.
WyomingGrizFan
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Evidently then, the NCAA has different members 'selecting,' so to speak, per year? Not affiliated with the Univ. of Wyoming myself, just an occupational hazard.
Did notice though that the Gonzaga LBulldogs won their conference regular season title again this year. They had a couple good victories over Utah and UCLA. I'd be interested to see next years' schedule for the LG, if they play Gonzaga again.
Gonzaga may lose a couple seniors this year in Hawk & Ridenour but they have one player that transferred in from Michigan St. by the name of Tiffanie Shives (5' 7"). She was a Third-Team USA Today All-American, Michigan Gatorade POY (2005), ranked #18 best senior in the nation out of hs.
Plus they have a couple Canadien girls (6' 0" Bekkering & 5' 6" Polishchuck) that avg. 25 - 27 ppg in hs. + a couple recruits in four-star Courtney Vandersloot (5' 8") & three-star Claire Raap (5' 11"). With the players they have coming back in Bowman (6' 3"), Elliott (5' 11") and Bjorklund (5' 11") they'd be a mighty good team for the LG to beat. Go Griz!!!
Did notice though that the Gonzaga LBulldogs won their conference regular season title again this year. They had a couple good victories over Utah and UCLA. I'd be interested to see next years' schedule for the LG, if they play Gonzaga again.
Gonzaga may lose a couple seniors this year in Hawk & Ridenour but they have one player that transferred in from Michigan St. by the name of Tiffanie Shives (5' 7"). She was a Third-Team USA Today All-American, Michigan Gatorade POY (2005), ranked #18 best senior in the nation out of hs.
Plus they have a couple Canadien girls (6' 0" Bekkering & 5' 6" Polishchuck) that avg. 25 - 27 ppg in hs. + a couple recruits in four-star Courtney Vandersloot (5' 8") & three-star Claire Raap (5' 11"). With the players they have coming back in Bowman (6' 3"), Elliott (5' 11") and Bjorklund (5' 11") they'd be a mighty good team for the LG to beat. Go Griz!!!
DoubleNicks
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DoubleNicks said:
Actually, #24 Nebraska (21-8) also lost their fourth straight to unranked Oklahoma State (19-9) on Saturday, so they will def. fall from the top 25.
Grizbacker1
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WyomingGrizFan said:
I am sure Rob would love to play them every year. He has a pretty darn good record against them and the LG will be even better next season.