Kemp was terrific tonight

[PlayerRep]

Kemp had a very nice game tonight and brought many things that have been missing from the UM lineup this season. It seemed to me that he should have been playing more all along, even though he was making mistakes. The mistakes included some defensive mistakes and not getting down the court fast enough. However, it always seemed that his positives far outweighed the negatives, especially given the team's deficiency in the paint.

Kemp is athletic and strong. He can rebound. He is active on the offensive boards. He was the leading rebounder tonight, including about 3 offensive boards, but he also kept several other balls alive for other players to grab and tracked down some lose balls. He can score, both facing the basket and with his back to the basket. He can dunk in close. He was about 5-8 tonight, which included 2 early misses that he probably could or should have made and a 2d half attempt at a reverse dunk. While he has some lapses on defense, he also is strong enough and athletic enough to keep opposing big men from scoring, and he can block or alter shots. He is also quicker than our other posts, which helps defend quicker and more athletic post players.

He reached around his man 4 or 5 times to knock away inlet passes. UM got 2 of 3 in the 1st half, and were unlucky not to get the 3d. In the 2d half, he knocked away 1 or 2. Almost the exact same play. All from the defensive right side of the court.

He was fired up tonight--perhaps even hyped up at times, especially when he started making some plays. That may have caused him to make a few mistakes. He failed to handle a short pass on a fast break and lost it, but I couldn't see exactly what happened. He seems like a very nice and friendly kid too.

Hutch made some plays tonight, but was the 3d post off the bench, in both halves. Martin started both halves and did fine in the early minutes. Was taken out with 1.5 minutes gone in the 2d half.

On the other hand, it didn't seem that the SS posts were especially good.

 

[mtgrizrule]

PR, great summary man. You are right he made mistakes, but his positives far outweigh the negatives. It was nice to see Wayne finally see him through those mistakes. I have a feeling we have found one piece to the puzzle from this game.

 

[bigforkgriz]

Kemp had a very nice game tonight and brought many things that have been missing from the UM lineup this season. It seemed to me that he should have been playing more all along, even though he was making mistakes. The mistakes included some defensive mistakes and not getting down the court fast enough. However, it always seemed that his positives far outweighed the negatives, especially given the team's deficiency in the paint.

Kemp is athletic and strong. He can rebound. He is active on the offensive boards. He was the leading rebounder tonight, including about 3 offensive boards, but he also kept several other balls alive for other players to grab and tracked down some lose balls. He can score, both facing the basket and with his back to the basket. He can dunk in close. He was about 5-8 tonight, which included 2 early misses that he probably could or should have made and a 2d half attempt at a reverse dunk. While he has some lapses on defense, he also is strong enough and athletic enough to keep opposing big men from scoring, and he can block or alter shots. He is also quicker than our other posts, which helps defend quicker and more athletic post players.

He reached around his man 4 or 5 times to knock away inlet passes. UM got 2 of 3 in the 1st half, and were unlucky not to get the 3d. In the 2d half, he knocked away 1 or 2. Almost the exact same play. All from the defensive right side of the court.

He was fired up tonight--perhaps even hyped up at times, especially when he started making some plays. That may have caused him to make a few mistakes. He failed to handle a short pass on a fast break and lost it, but I couldn't see exactly what happened. He seems like a very nice and friendly kid too.

Hutch made some plays tonight, but was the 3d post off the bench, in both halves. Martin started both halves and did fine in the early minutes. Was taken out with 1.5 minutes gone in the 2d half.

On the other hand, it didn't seem that the SS posts were especially good.

I was mystified as to why he wasn't used against NAU at all. How many mishandled passes has Hutch had in every game he has played. He has virtually no offensive game nor skill to rebound. Kemp seemed an obvious option given our deficiencies inside.

 

[poorgriz]

Kemp had a very nice game tonight and brought many things that have been missing from the UM lineup this season. It seemed to me that he should have been playing more all along, even though he was making mistakes. The mistakes included some defensive mistakes and not getting down the court fast enough. However, it always seemed that his positives far outweighed the negatives, especially given the team's deficiency in the paint.

Kemp is athletic and strong. He can rebound. He is active on the offensive boards. He was the leading rebounder tonight, including about 3 offensive boards, but he also kept several other balls alive for other players to grab and tracked down some lose balls. He can score, both facing the basket and with his back to the basket. He can dunk in close. He was about 5-8 tonight, which included 2 early misses that he probably could or should have made and a 2d half attempt at a reverse dunk. While he has some lapses on defense, he also is strong enough and athletic enough to keep opposing big men from scoring, and he can block or alter shots. He is also quicker than our other posts, which helps defend quicker and more athletic post players.

He reached around his man 4 or 5 times to knock away inlet passes. UM got 2 of 3 in the 1st half, and were unlucky not to get the 3d. In the 2d half, he knocked away 1 or 2. Almost the exact same play. All from the defensive right side of the court.

He was fired up tonight--perhaps even hyped up at times, especially when he started making some plays. That may have caused him to make a few mistakes. He failed to handle a short pass on a fast break and lost it, but I couldn't see exactly what happened. He seems like a very nice and friendly kid too.

Hutch made some plays tonight, but was the 3d post off the bench, in both halves. Martin started both halves and did fine in the early minutes. Was taken out with 1.5 minutes gone in the 2d half.

On the other hand, it didn't seem that the SS posts were especially good.

You've obviously never played the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

Kemp had a very nice game tonight and brought many things that have been missing from the UM lineup this season. It seemed to me that he should have been playing more all along, even though he was making mistakes. The mistakes included some defensive mistakes and not getting down the court fast enough. However, it always seemed that his positives far outweighed the negatives, especially given the team's deficiency in the paint.

Kemp is athletic and strong. He can rebound. He is active on the offensive boards. He was the leading rebounder tonight, including about 3 offensive boards, but he also kept several other balls alive for other players to grab and tracked down some lose balls. He can score, both facing the basket and with his back to the basket. He can dunk in close. He was about 5-8 tonight, which included 2 early misses that he probably could or should have made and a 2d half attempt at a reverse dunk. While he has some lapses on defense, he also is strong enough and athletic enough to keep opposing big men from scoring, and he can block or alter shots. He is also quicker than our other posts, which helps defend quicker and more athletic post players.

He reached around his man 4 or 5 times to knock away inlet passes. UM got 2 of 3 in the 1st half, and were unlucky not to get the 3d. In the 2d half, he knocked away 1 or 2. Almost the exact same play. All from the defensive right side of the court.

He was fired up tonight--perhaps even hyped up at times, especially when he started making some plays. That may have caused him to make a few mistakes. He failed to handle a short pass on a fast break and lost it, but I couldn't see exactly what happened. He seems like a very nice and friendly kid too.

Hutch made some plays tonight, but was the 3d post off the bench, in both halves. Martin started both halves and did fine in the early minutes. Was taken out with 1.5 minutes gone in the 2d half.

On the other hand, it didn't seem that the SS posts were especially good.

You've obviously never played the game.

Oh yes I did, and my father-in-law was a college basketball head coach. So there. Ha.

 

[Grizbacker1]

PR, great summary man. You are right he made mistakes, but his positives far outweigh the negatives. It was nice to see Wayne finally see him through those mistakes. I have a feeling we have found one piece to the puzzle from this game.

You guys think there was nothing more to it than Tinkle not seeing what you "experts" see? Obviously there is much more to it, but some things are not going to be made public. In Tinkle's system, you earn minutes. Hutch is a perfect example, he wasn't getting it done and despite being a Sr, got benched. There are good reasons Kemp wasn't on the floor, but he took a positive step toward earning minutes the last game. Let's hope he continues an upward trend because the Griz could certainly use some inside help. Anyone who has a clue about basketball knows he has been less than stellar and really only had one decent game thus far this season despite all the pre season hype

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, great summary man. You are right he made mistakes, but his positives far outweigh the negatives. It was nice to see Wayne finally see him through those mistakes. I have a feeling we have found one piece to the puzzle from this game.

You guys think there was nothing more to it than Tinkle not seeing what you "experts" see? Obviously there is much more to it, but some things are not going to be made public. In Tinkle's system, you earn minutes. Hutch is a perfect example, he wasn't getting it done and despite being a Sr, got benched. There are good reasons Kemp wasn't on the floor, but he took a positive step toward earning minutes the last game. Let's hope he continues an upward trend because the Griz could certainly use some inside help. Anyone who has a clue about basketball knows he has been less than stellar and really only had one decent game thus far this season despite all the pre season hype

Just out of curiosity, how did Kemp manage to earn significant minutes on Saturday, after not playing at all on Thursday. He must have had an awesome practice on Friday. With the post play being so weak, it seems odd that Kemp hasn't risen to the top sooner. While I will almost always defer to a coach, especially one like Tinkle, is there any poster, other than you, who hasn't thought Kemp deserved more playing time until now?

Kemp has more rebounds per minute than anyone on the team, and has the team's highest shooting percentage.

 

[Mousegriz]

I agree the PT for all three "big" guys is a bit of a mystery. Seems one of three gets almost shut out entirely every game. No Kemp at all vs. NAU with Jacobson schooling whoever tried to cover him, then Kemp get big minutes and plays well vs. Sac. St.

Would have liked to see Kemp swat away a couple of those inside passes and grab a board or two on Thurs. night. Odd that he gets no minutes at all in that game.

 

[Grizbacker1]

PR, great summary man. You are right he made mistakes, but his positives far outweigh the negatives. It was nice to see Wayne finally see him through those mistakes. I have a feeling we have found one piece to the puzzle from this game.

You guys think there was nothing more to it than Tinkle not seeing what you "experts" see? Obviously there is much more to it, but some things are not going to be made public. In Tinkle's system, you earn minutes. Hutch is a perfect example, he wasn't getting it done and despite being a Sr, got benched. There are good reasons Kemp wasn't on the floor, but he took a positive step toward earning minutes the last game. Let's hope he continues an upward trend because the Griz could certainly use some inside help. Anyone who has a clue about basketball knows he has been less than stellar and really only had one decent game thus far this season despite all the pre season hype

Just out of curiosity, how did Kemp manage to earn significant minutes on Saturday, after not playing at all on Thursday. He must have had an awesome practice on Friday. With the post play being so weak, it seems odd that Kemp hasn't risen to the top sooner. While I will almost always defer to a coach, especially one like Tinkle, is there any poster, other than you, who hasn't thought Kemp deserved more playing time until now?

Kemp has more rebounds per minute than anyone on the team, and has the team's highest shooting percentage.

Practice obviously had something to do with it, but there was also the "if you don't hustle I am going to bench your ass" mode and if you were watching you should have picked up on that. I watched online and could see that. You are more concerned about finding another poster who agrees with you on Kemp, BFD, Tinkle obviously doesn't see it like you do PR. If you were paying attention last year, Spencer Coleman also went through a period of time he wasn't seeing the floor, some attitude related, some based on performance. He worked through it, for a while. Let's hope Kemp continues on an upward trend because he can certainly help the team. For the record, Hutcheson would have been gone a long time ago if it were up to me, but unlike you, I go with Coaches decisions because they have ALL the information, unlike the speculation you prefer.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, great summary man. You are right he made mistakes, but his positives far outweigh the negatives. It was nice to see Wayne finally see him through those mistakes. I have a feeling we have found one piece to the puzzle from this game.

You guys think there was nothing more to it than Tinkle not seeing what you "experts" see? Obviously there is much more to it, but some things are not going to be made public. In Tinkle's system, you earn minutes. Hutch is a perfect example, he wasn't getting it done and despite being a Sr, got benched. There are good reasons Kemp wasn't on the floor, but he took a positive step toward earning minutes the last game. Let's hope he continues an upward trend because the Griz could certainly use some inside help. Anyone who has a clue about basketball knows he has been less than stellar and really only had one decent game thus far this season despite all the pre season hype

Just out of curiosity, how did Kemp manage to earn significant minutes on Saturday, after not playing at all on Thursday. He must have had an awesome practice on Friday. With the post play being so weak, it seems odd that Kemp hasn't risen to the top sooner. While I will almost always defer to a coach, especially one like Tinkle, is there any poster, other than you, who hasn't thought Kemp deserved more playing time until now?

Kemp has more rebounds per minute than anyone on the team, and has the team's highest shooting percentage.

Practice obviously had something to do with it, but there was also the "if you don't hustle I am going to bench your ass" mode and if you were watching you should have picked up on that. I watched online and could see that. You are more concerned about finding another poster who agrees with you on Kemp, BFD, Tinkle obviously doesn't see it like you do PR. If you were paying attention last year, Spencer Coleman also went through a period of time he wasn't seeing the floor, some attitude related, some based on performance. He worked through it, for a while. Let's hope Kemp continues on an upward trend because he can certainly help the team. For the record, Hutcheson would have been gone a long time ago if it were up to me, but unlike you, I go with Coaches decisions because they have ALL the information, unlike the speculation you prefer.

Yes, I noticed how supportive you are of coaches, like Gregorak. Please spare us the BS.

Every poster who has posted his/her views in the Basketball section and expressed an opinion, has agreed with me (and not you). You are the one who may want to look for support of your view. Look before you post.

 

[Grizbacker1]

You guys think there was nothing more to it than Tinkle not seeing what you "experts" see? Obviously there is much more to it, but some things are not going to be made public. In Tinkle's system, you earn minutes. Hutch is a perfect example, he wasn't getting it done and despite being a Sr, got benched. There are good reasons Kemp wasn't on the floor, but he took a positive step toward earning minutes the last game. Let's hope he continues an upward trend because the Griz could certainly use some inside help. Anyone who has a clue about basketball knows he has been less than stellar and really only had one decent game thus far this season despite all the pre season hype

Just out of curiosity, how did Kemp manage to earn significant minutes on Saturday, after not playing at all on Thursday. He must have had an awesome practice on Friday. With the post play being so weak, it seems odd that Kemp hasn't risen to the top sooner. While I will almost always defer to a coach, especially one like Tinkle, is there any poster, other than you, who hasn't thought Kemp deserved more playing time until now?

Kemp has more rebounds per minute than anyone on the team, and has the team's highest shooting percentage.

Practice obviously had something to do with it, but there was also the "if you don't hustle I am going to bench your ass" mode and if you were watching you should have picked up on that. I watched online and could see that. You are more concerned about finding another poster who agrees with you on Kemp, BFD, Tinkle obviously doesn't see it like you do PR. If you were paying attention last year, Spencer Coleman also went through a period of time he wasn't seeing the floor, some attitude related, some based on performance. He worked through it, for a while. Let's hope Kemp continues on an upward trend because he can certainly help the team. For the record, Hutcheson would have been gone a long time ago if it were up to me, but unlike you, I go with Coaches decisions because they have ALL the information, unlike the speculation you prefer.

Yes, I noticed how supportive you are of coaches, like Gregorak. Please spare us the BS.

Every poster who has posted his/her views in the Basketball section and expressed an opinion, has agreed with me (and not you). You are the one who may want to look for support of your view. Look before you post.

Why don't you stick with what you do best, according to people who sit near you. That would be shoveling large handfuls of popcorn into your mouth and spilling so much your wife is too embarassed to sit next to you, and moves an extra seat away. :lol:

 

[citygriz]

i'm sitting a few seats away from you on this issue as well, pr, not just because of the possible butter stains on my dapper duds.

first fallacy of debate is arguing from specifics. you hyped this guy pre-season, and i question whether you're just trying to justify the hype, or kemp has really upped his game. remember this was sac state, not weber, northern colorado or even northern arizona. this was a home game, not a hostile environment where you've got the football goons two rows away yelling obscenities at you. let kemp produce over a series of games. then i'll jump on the bandwagon.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just out of curiosity, how did Kemp manage to earn significant minutes on Saturday, after not playing at all on Thursday. He must have had an awesome practice on Friday. With the post play being so weak, it seems odd that Kemp hasn't risen to the top sooner. While I will almost always defer to a coach, especially one like Tinkle, is there any poster, other than you, who hasn't thought Kemp deserved more playing time until now?

Kemp has more rebounds per minute than anyone on the team, and has the team's highest shooting percentage.

Practice obviously had something to do with it, but there was also the "if you don't hustle I am going to bench your ass" mode and if you were watching you should have picked up on that. I watched online and could see that. You are more concerned about finding another poster who agrees with you on Kemp, BFD, Tinkle obviously doesn't see it like you do PR. If you were paying attention last year, Spencer Coleman also went through a period of time he wasn't seeing the floor, some attitude related, some based on performance. He worked through it, for a while. Let's hope Kemp continues on an upward trend because he can certainly help the team. For the record, Hutcheson would have been gone a long time ago if it were up to me, but unlike you, I go with Coaches decisions because they have ALL the information, unlike the speculation you prefer.

Yes, I noticed how supportive you are of coaches, like Gregorak. Please spare us the BS.

Every poster who has posted his/her views in the Basketball section and expressed an opinion, has agreed with me (and not you). You are the one who may want to look for support of your view. Look before you post.

Why don't you stick with what you do best, according to people who sit near you. That would be shoveling large handfuls of popcorn into your mouth and spilling so much your wife is too embarassed to sit next to you, and moves an extra seat away. :lol:

Seems like an odd comment from someone who spills his drinks on the scorer's table and on the card table at Stocks, while hanging on every word of hoops coaches. A certain asst AD told me that the official excuse is that Monte knocked over the popcorn. Did he tell you something different?

 

[PlayerRep]

i'm sitting a few seats away from you on this issue as well, pr, not just because of the possible butter stains on my dapper duds.

first fallacy of debate is arguing from specifics. you hyped this guy pre-season, and i question whether you're just trying to justify the hype, or kemp has really upped his game. remember this was sac state, not weber, northern colorado or even northern arizona. this was a home game, not a hostile environment where you've got the football goons two rows away yelling obscenities at you. let kemp produce over a series of games. then i'll jump on the bandwagon.

I didn't "hype" Kemp. I said a few positive things, just like other posters have. You are welcome to bet your money on the other posts. However, it isn't a close call.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Wow this topic has gotten disappointingly off track. GB, what the hell has been with you the last 6 months? You used to get your point across without being so damn critical. I can only speak for myself. In my post when I asked "What took so long?" It was not me doubting or questioning the coaching. It was me seriously asking. I am not there every day like I used to. I have not met Kemp and no longer have the luxury of observing things in person like I did a few years back. I appreciate the opinion and insight you gave as for practice, etc. You really did not have go to the doubting coaches and them knowing more than we do card.

Feel free to check my history in supporting the basketball program and Wayne Tinkle since his becoming head coach. I have likely been one of the most avid supporters to him and this program. It is also very difficult for me to be critical of any of the players or coaches. That is how damn much I respect Wayne personally and professionally. My question was an honest one, and not intended to come off negative toward the coaches or the program. Sorry if it came off that way.

I too have heard many good things about Kemp's upside from coaches, observers, etc who are familiar with him. I did not hear one bad thing about him in terms of talent. Every person agreed he would have be an impact player this season on the boards, and post scoring. The best true post player we've had since Qvale, and the best PF since Kamar Davis, but more athletic than Kamar. Sight and play unseen, I had and still do have pretty big expectations for Kemp this season. I hope and pray he keeps doing what is asked and expected of him by the coaches and team. I am sure the team feels the same way as a whole too.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here. I do feel it was not needed to be critical of what I or PR posted here. Yes, he and I have not, do not, and will not see eye to eye on somethings. I really think things were posted or interpreted out of context.

Back on topic, I want to see Kemp keep kicking ass every game, no bars held!!!!

 

[Grizbeer]

Just out of curiosity, how did Kemp manage to earn significant minutes on Saturday, after not playing at all on Thursday. He must have had an awesome practice on Friday. With the post play being so weak, it seems odd that Kemp hasn't risen to the top sooner.

Practice obviously had something to do with it, but there was also the "if you don't hustle I am going to bench your ass" mode and if you were watching you should have picked up on that. I watched online and could see that.

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, but it appears Kemp played on Saturday because he asked Friday why he wasn't playing:

Kemp and Griz coach Wayne Tinkle had a talk on Friday.

“He was wondering what he had to do,” Tinkle said. “We said it’s a day-to-day deal. It’s been the same thing since Day 1: We need him to defend and rebound and play with that energy and be coachable.”

“He told me to go out and play with intensity,” Kemp said. “That’s what I did. I trusted his guidance because he’s a very good coach.”

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[Mousegriz]

I'm being cynical here but it's too bad Wayne didn't tell him to play with intensity a little sooner....last Wednesday would have been soon enough. Before the conference opener, in a game where we expected the need for some inside rebounding and defense. Then actually put him in the NAU game for at least one minute and see if he listened.

 

[EverettGriz]

I'm being cynical here but it's too bad Wayne didn't tell him to play with intensity a little sooner....last Wednesday would have been soon enough. Before the conference opener, in a game where we expected the need for some inside rebounding and defense. Then actually put him in the NAU game for at least one minute and see if he listened.

Oh, I have little doubt he did. I suspect that the NAU game was the stick; that is, Wayne doing what he promised he'd do: severely limit Kemp's time unless he saw what he wanted to from him. Saturday was the carrott. Looks like both methods of motivation may have ultimately worked well, if perhaps a little late for our liking.

 

[PlayerRep]

Kemp's playing time prior to SS.

NAU - O
Ida - 4
West - 8
St. M - 8
Hawaii - 4
UW - 14 - 3-3 shooting and 3 rebounds, 1 block
SF - 28 - 5-7 shooting, 4 rebounds, 2 blocks
SDS - 3
Minn - 7 - 3 rebounds

Just looking at the stats, it looks like Kemp has produced in every game that he got decent minutes. With almost no inside game, it would seem that some defensive mistakes, etc. could have been overlooked. I was at most of the home games. I saw some mistakes or not getting down the court fast enough, but Kemp did many things well, seemed to have potential, and he was hardly the only player to make mistakes on defense.